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Blader said:
Do you guys even watch non-superhero movies?

It's not even the best looking of its genre anyway, but to call the cinematography in BvS "GOD tier" and without equal in most genres (not sure what that even means...like, it looks better than rom coms but not as good as westerns?) seems like an insanely uninformed opinion. There's more to cinematography than just inundating you with visual noise on screen for 2+ hours.
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No, it's not. It's giving credit where credit is due. It's an very well shot film. It's incredibly ignorant of you to think it's just all visual noise and very condescending of you to ask that ...
 
strafer said:
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Holy shit. Never seen this. GiF is amazing.
 
Inferno313 said:
Nah. Some of it's nice. But a lot of it, especially in the latter half of the film, looks downright gaudy with the over-the-top and obviously green screened storming and lightning.

Nothing in the film matches a shot like this, which features a nice use of color that adds to the somber moment of the film, real and practical locations, and gorgeous lighting and composition:
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Yellow and blue! How original!. Yes, it's a great looking shot, but so are most of Superman's for example.
 
Blader said:
2001 was a watershed moment in filmmaking, breaking ground in everything from special effects to marrying an orchestral score with scenes of outer space; and narrative/thematically, it was a metaphor of human evolution and the timelessness of human conflict, manifest in new ways past, present, and future. The reason 2001 found such renewed appreciation in later years is because there was actually something to appreciate there.

Batman v Superman is a subpar superhero movie. Whatever statement you think it has to say about the human condition (actually, it has none) is a universe away from 2001. More than that, it's just a poorly constructed film, marred by bad writing, pacing, editing and, omg yes, cinematography at every turn.
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Movie is so boring it should be studies on the effects it cause to people with insomnia.

BvS touches on themes that got only brought up by Hitchcook or Brett Ratner.
 
The Icon said:
Coming from the guy who likes Age of Ultron. I expect better, guek.
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NO ONE ASKED ME

For serious though, I really despise blaming the audience when it's really not warranted. You could definitely do the same for AoU but the reality is it's overstuffed and has sloppy parts even if much of what people complain about is properly addressed in the movie itself.
 
tkscz said:
Umm... opinions?

While I agree a lot of the stuff people hated about this movie (martha scene) could be understood with some thinking, it's also the problem. Some of them needs too much thinking. The martha thing is the biggest one. How many people are going to realize that Bruce stopped when Clark mentioned his mom's name because he finally remembered his mom, and up to that point all he spoke about was his Dad and how violent his Dad's decisions were? Most people are going to look on the surface and see their mom's have the same name. Snyder could've toned the imagery down and have like Alfred mention Bruce's mom or something so that when the moment arrived, it makes sense.
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Or how he got more annoyed when Clark mentioned his name and wasn't all "let's be friends". I found it weird people found it far fetched that Superman tries to remind Batman that he is trying to save a woman called Martha Kent and that on his deathbed he pleads with his executioner to save his mother's life and not his own. Another thing about Superman, people complained about Snyder's superman not being heroic yet, he took a nuclear weapon to try to ensure Doomsday would be killed, was trying to defend people's civil liberties because they lived in fear of Batman and saved the life of the person who tried to kill every notable woman in his life.

Also, regarding Lex. There were like three times he explained why he disliked Superman. The dinner scene at the banquet where he talks shit to everyone's face, a lot of people didn't realise he knew Wonder Woman, Clark's and Bruce's identity. Whilst I would have liked Lex to be a vehicle to truly deconstruct Superman and the role he played in the world, stuff like him hating how people used to turn to science to make their world better when gods in the sky didn't answer their calls and IMO the daddy issues excuse was weak. Think Lex Luthor Man of Steel comic for what I am taking about.
 
The Wayne death scene in this movie looked so bad imo. Why would the killer wrap the pearl neckless around the gun lol. Looked so fake when he shoots and the kickback of the gun breaks them. Would make much more sense if the pearls fell apart from him trying to grab them off her neck instead.
 
INST said:
Could you not do this, I'm serious.

BvS was a once in a lifetime kinda thing. It's too bad Zack gets the treatment he does, doesn't seem fair since he delivered maybe the best movie in the past 30 years or so. The way he tells his story with visuals is such an improvement on most movies we get. This is Kubricks 2001 all over again, hopefully one day people will look back and give him the credit he deserves.
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This thread has some of the most baseless, absurd hyperbole that I've ever seen on GAF.

I'm still reeling from the realization that there are people that have used "Batman vs Superman" and 2001 in the same paragraph.
 
Inferno313 said:
Nah. Some of it's nice. But a lot of it, especially in the latter half of the film, looks downright gaudy with the over-the-top and obviously green screened storming and lightning.

Nothing in the film matches a shot like this, which features a nice use of color that adds to the somber moment of the film, real and practical locations, and gorgeous lighting and composition:
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I would say there's much more of that going on in BvS. And that is a great shot. Much like the Superman floating with the sun giving him backlight as someone reaches out for help in the foreground. The sun breaking through the dark clouds as if to say Superman is the shining light here to save you.
But that scene was totally undeserved so we can't count that.
 
guek said:
NO ONE ASKED ME

For serious though, I really despise blaming the audience when it's really not warranted. You could definitely do the same for AoU but the reality is it's overstuffed and has sloppy parts even if much of what people complain about is properly addressed in the movie itself.
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I totally agree that Age of Ultron is overstuffed and sloppy.
 
INST said:
Could you not do this, I'm serious.

BvS was a once in a lifetime kinda thing. It's too bad Zack gets the treatment he does, doesn't seem fair since he delivered maybe the best movie in the past 30 years or so. The way he tells his story with visuals is such an improvement on most movies we get. This is Kubricks 2001 all over again, hopefully one day people will look back and give him the credit he deserves.
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Is this a joke lol
 
Watch the ultimate cut they said. It's good they said.

3 hours I'll never get back. It's not a movie, it's a series of shitty scenes stuck together.

The Martha scene gave me cancer, and Henry Cavill is the worst Superman in history.

HACK SNYDER IS A HACK
 
Pops Maellard said:
This thread has some of the most baseless, absurd hyperbole that I've ever seen on GAF.

I'm still reeling from the realization that there are people that have used "Batman vs Superman" and 2001 in the same paragraph.
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He's trolling. For some reason, he thinks it's entertaining to start threads about DC movies to see just how much shit people will say.
 
Your right, the post does come across as a complete parody. BvS was an absolute borefest with pretensions of grandeur and the ultimate cut does little to rectify its problems. Bad editing, awful performances, crap script and boring action all add up to a truly bad film.
 
mxgt said:
Watch the ultimate cut they said. It's good they said.

3 hours I'll never get back. It's not a movie, it's a series of shitty scenes stuck together.

The Martha scene gave me cancer, and Henry Cavill is the worst Superman in history.

HACK SNYDER IS A HACK
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I'm doing some pricing. How much does chemo cost through your insurance?
 
I love BvS. I agree with you OP. I'll never understand the hostile opinions regarding it.
 
INST said:
Could you not do this, I'm serious.

BvS was a once in a lifetime kinda thing. It's too bad Zack gets the treatment he does, doesn't seem fair since he delivered maybe the best movie in the past 30 years or so. The way he tells his story with visuals is such an improvement on most movies we get. This is Kubricks 2001 all over again, hopefully one day people will look back and give him the credit he deserves.
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RangerX said:
Your right, the post does come across as a complete parody. BvS was an absolute borefest with pretensions of grandeur and the ultimate cut does little to rectify its problems. Bad editing, awful performances, crap script and boring action all add up to a truly bad film.
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But did you liked it tho?
 
I won't argue that BvS was a once in a lifetime film event. Really, like... I do not anticipate receiving such a dark and unsettling take on two of the biggest super hero mascots ever, especially as a film being used as a tent pole for more films to come. Batman and Superman... these are character found on underwear for 5 year old boys, pajama bottoms dad wears when he runs out of clothes to wear at home. These characters are comfortable icons that you'd be hard pressed not to find somewhere in every person's house, especially if that person has children. And they portrayed them as murderers. Amazing. Not only that, but they tried to juggle launching, what, 5+ different film series from this movie? It's absurd as fuck. Imagine if Silence of the Lambs had a random 10 minute dream sequence that ended with a distorted and weird Mickey Mouse popping out at the audience and protagonist warning them "A villain is coming!! I'll be there when he does!!!"

Will NEVER happen again.
 
Solid SOAP said:
I won't argue that BvS was a once in a lifetime film event. Really, like... I do not anticipate receiving such a dark and unsettling take on two of the biggest super hero mascots ever, especially as a film being used as a tent pole for more films to come. Batman and Superman... these are character found on underwear for 5 year old boys, pajama bottoms dad wears when he runs out of clothes to wear at home. These characters are comfortable icons that you'd be hard pressed not to find somewhere in every person's house, especially if that person has children. And they portrayed them as murderers. Amazing. Not only that, but they tried to juggle launching, what, 5+ different film series from this movie? It's absurd as fuck. Imagine if Silence of the Lambs had a random 10 minute dream sequence that ended with a distorted and weird Mickey Mouse popping out at the audience and protagonist warning them "A villain is coming!! I'll be there when he does!!!"

Will NEVER happen again.
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I imagine I would have immensely enjoyed Silence of the Lambs with that addition. As is it was pretty shitty.
 
There`s a lot of good ideas in BvS, but the flaws are too many. I really wanted this movie to be amazing, but they fucked up.

p.s. i am officialy done with iunderstoodthatreference.gif It`s just cringey these days.
 
Permanently A said:
So where does the Lois spear plothole fit in this work of art
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What plot hole? She deduces that her BF is really allergic to magic green rocks cos when it's fashioned into a pointy stick it gives him a huge scar on his face. I have to say this because there were people who found it farfetched she deduced it was kryptonite that harmed Clark. Maybe it's why she threw it away? Well if you're previously invulnerable bf is deathly allergic to it, wouldn't you wanna throw it away first chance she got? How about how she deduced a flying, Super strong, super fast being that fired red lasers was kryptonian? Maybe she thought to herself it might be a good idea to get that spear with a green rock that made her kryptonian BF weak to stop this monster's rampage
 
Foolia said:
Snyder was making the Batman action scenes violent on purpose because they're a commentary on glorifying action sequences to the point of absurdity. In the real world we know that people can get hurt and bleed from the actions of one man engaged in violence with the ability to do so. So we're right to cringe at how brutal Batman can be, because when we later note and celebrate how good they are, they are also making us ashamed of our words and deeds.
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Did you just paraphrase one of those movie analysis videos?
Because I swear, I watched one last week saying the same thing about Tarantino's use of violence in Inglorious Basterds.
 
Vic_Viper said:
The Wayne death scene in this movie looked so bad imo. Why would the killer wrap the pearl neckless around the gun lol. Looked so fake when he shoots and the kickback of the gun breaks them. Would make much more sense if the pearls fell apart from him trying to grab them off her neck instead.
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Can't tell if you are joking here...
 
Heh. I rented this really curious what was so awful about it. Watched it once but kinda stopped paying attention halfway through and missed a bunch. Turned it on again a week later to watch again and had the same thing happen. Realized, oh that's why it sucks.

I do know that I'll die happier if I never have to watch Batman cry about his parents ever again.
 
INST said:
Now that things cooled down, let's talk about Batman v Superman (the ultimate edition that is). This movie simply works on every level and is a work of art. From the cinematography, the fantastic score by Hans Zimmer, the themes and characters. I love how serious Zack takes his world and manages to keep you on the edge of your seat for 3 hours long. From that beautiful opening where we see the death of the Wayne's (sidenote: best version of it yet). So poetic. And then seeing the Black Zero event from Bruce's perspective.

Snyder delivered a work of art, but is misunderstood. I think that audiences and critics simply don't like (or are incapable of) using their brain while watching a movie. The story is told through it's visuals, but in this day and age you need 10 minutes of boring exposition of every single detail without people getting confused.

Time will be kind to BvS and Zack Snyder. Who once and for all proved he is one of the best directors of all time and maybe the very best walking this earth. Thank you Zack, thank you for everything.

You might be thinking this is some weird parody. But I mean every single word. Too bad his genius is misunderstood.
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I agree with every word my mate.
 
This movie is painfully terrible. The extended cut definitely fixed some of the problems with that chainsaw massacre of an editing job, but it still did nothing to fix the fundamental problems this movie had. I still find it better than Man of Steel, BvS at least had Batfleck while Man of Steel IMO had no redeeming factors.
 
Solid SOAP said:
Imagine if Silence of the Lambs had a random 10 minute dream sequence that ended with a distorted and weird Mickey Mouse popping out at the audience and protagonist warning them "A villain is coming!! I'll be there when he does!!!"
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There's a good point that even if you subscribe to the idea BVS is a masterpiece, you have to admit it has plenty of flaws.

The Dream Sequence and the Justice League reveal montage are, perhaps, the most egregious. I can't think of a compelling argument against the fact these scenes could have removed entirely and the movie would have been better for it.

I was actually insulted. You had an extended action sequence that is a dream which is inconsequential to the overall plot. You had an entire scene that was just there, unnaturally, to set up new movies.

Even if you like the film, you have to admit that it has flaws. If it's a masterpiece, it's a flawed masterpiece.
And personally, I don't think it's a masterpiece.
 
The original cut was so terrible that I really didn't see how the Ultimate Edition could salvage it, yet somehow it worked for me.
Storyline made way more sense and it wasn't quite as filled with potholes.

Batman and Alfred are awesome in the movie.
Cinematography is awesome.
'Serious' tone was somewhat refreshing.
Ending was quite surprising (even if we know it's not permanent).

But

Martha scene is terrible.
Batman vs Superman fight was a letdown and too short.
Final fight was a pure monster movie CGI fest and suffered badly because of it.
Way too much crammed into one movie, no matter how long you make it.

Cinema version was 4/10
Ultimate Edition cut was 6/10

For reference I'd give something like Civil War 6/10 as well and Suicide Squad 5/10.

So not that bad of a movie.
 
yanipheonu said:
There's a good point that even if you subscribe to the idea BVS is a masterpiece, you have to admit it has plenty of flaws.

The Dream Sequence and the Justice League reveal montage are, perhaps, the most egregious. I can't think of a compelling argument against the fact these scenes could have removed entirely and the movie would have been better for it.

I was actually insulted. You had an extended action sequence that is a dream which is inconsequential to the overall plot. You had an entire scene that was just there, unnaturally, to set up new movies.

Even if you like the film, you have to admit that it has flaws. If it's a masterpiece, it's a flawed masterpiece.
And personally, I don't think it's a masterpiece.
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First, it's not a dream, and second, it's not inconsequential: it gives Batman the final push to go and fight Supes.
 
Vic_Viper said:
The Wayne death scene in this movie looked so bad imo. Why would the killer wrap the pearl neckless around the gun lol. Looked so fake when he shoots and the kickback of the gun breaks them. Would make much more sense if the pearls fell apart from him trying to grab them off her neck instead.
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Also, why would Thomas Wayne try to fight unarmed against a gun wielding mugger, putting his family's life at risk?

Like the pearls, Snyder was trying to emulate the Batman Year One comic. It was stupid in the comic as well.
 
Yager said:
First, it's not a dream, and second, it's not inconsequential: it gives Batman the final push to go and fight Supes.
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Makes "Martha" even worse, then.

His anger with supes for destroying half of Metropolis and fear that he could be humanity's enemy are strong motivations on their own. When you add the knightmare scenes and Flash's warning that Superman is a threat, it makes it utterly ridiculous that the Martha scene would change his mind about Superman.
 
Lanthi said:
Makes "Martha" even worse, then.

His anger with supes for destroying half of Metropolis and fear that he could be humanity's enemy are strong motivations on their own. When you add the knightmare scenes and Flash's warning that Superman is a threat, it makes it utterly ridiculous that the Martha scene would change his mind about Superman.
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But "Martha" makes Batman realize that he's been wrong, that his motivations are wrong, and that whatever he might have seen in the Flash sequence can be avoided.
 
Yager said:
But "Martha" makes Batman realize that he's been wrong, that his motivations are wrong, and that whatever he might have seen in the Flash sequence can be avoided.
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I can't think of anything about that scene that would break his conviction like that.
 
The Icon said:
I imagine I would have immensely enjoyed Silence of the Lambs with that addition. As is it was pretty shitty.
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Yeah, I’ve always felt that Silence of the Lambs was a crappy film too. Same with Lawrence of Arabia, I mean what’s so special about it’s cinematography anyway? It’s just a bunch of sand and camels, I don’t see the big deal. Thor 2 had floating cities and aerial combat over rainbow bridges, not to mention Portal 2 Combat! Lawrence doesn’t have anything half as great!
 
Lanthi said:
I can't think of anything about that scene that would break his conviction like that.
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Well, he's about to kill a being that he didn't think that was human, and that at the time of almost losing his life, that being says that his mother is about to get assassinated, that he should save her. He proves to Batman that despite all his power, Superman is a man, a human, and that he only wants to protect his people.
 
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