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Batman v Superman is not that bad...

If it is an entire movie building up the motivations for all kinds of characters to pit them against each other, the character motivations making no sense is kind of a big deal. What nonsense have I been watching that entire time then?

When I think of complains of the movie I mostly think of character motivations which is what most of the movie is about. Besides that I didn't like Lex Luthor as just another non sensible crazy guy and Wonder Woman didn't do much either.

Batman beating thugs up was pretty cool action though. And I should still see the Ultimate Edition to see where it improves things, although I doubt I'd suddenly enjoy the movie.
 
Sephzilla said:
The final battle also has the most eye-rolling stupid explanation for how they do more Man of Steel destruction porn without having the Man of Steel body count. Conveniently every single place that Doomsday lands in is unoccupied because apparently nobody works night shifts in Gotham or Metropolis.
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Don't you feel like that's an over correction because so many people complained about people dying? (Which is not a problem because it's Superman vs Zod, and Zod has help while Superman is going around doing stuff). You want that destruction because of the power levels but then people complain when there are consequences to that power.
 
I agree but I wouldn't go as far as to say it compares to Dark Knight Rises. Nolan's trilogy is still better, even DKR which was the worst of the three.
 
Wait, people don't like DKR?


It wasn't as good as the first two Nolan Batman films but it was still really damn good imo.
 
I absolutely hated the theatrical release, I thought it was a garbled mess that was confusing at times and often felt like it didn't know where it was going.

The ultimate version is better, and I'd consider it "watchable" now if not a great movie. "Martha" is still stupid though, among a few other things.
 
I don't think is that bad either. It is a movie with a lot of problems but for some reason i appreciate the somber dark tone of this movie and MoS. The music in both movies is amazing and both movies have scenes that by now should be classic of the genere (like the flight scene in MoS or Batman saving Martha in BvS).

Now, suicide squad. That's a real turd. The 2 Fantastic 4 movies. Both Ghost rider movies. Those are examples of movies way worse than this one.
 
Also watched the Ultimate Cut recently on my first viewing and felt it was more disappointing than terrible overall.

The public reception played a larger role in pushing my expectations far below the realm of grounded reality, to a place that even at its worst the movie doesn't quite earn. Well, unless the theatrical cut was really that bad.

But yes this story deserved better craft, subtlety, nuance, intrigue, motive, etc...
 
There is easily a salvageable movie in there. Removing some, changing some scenes, and altering a few points. Would have turned the shit into alright.
 
It's not that bad is how i would describe it. The 27% rotten score suggests its one of the worst movies of all time. i mean just look at the movies around it. iirc it's in the same range as the twilight movies.

there are some issues with character motivations, meandering plot points, underwhelming title fight and that god awful martha scene, but the rest is more than decent. The visuals are astounding, Ben Affleck is the best Batman we've ever had, the action scenes save for the title fight were great. Wonder Woman was great.

the film's flaws did not warrant such a harsh response. i think snyder spent too much time creating the conflict which didnt need to be created, lots of time spent on lex's plot, kgbeast had more scenes than superman, way too much time spent on louis trying to figure out lex's plot and not enough time spent on superman and batman trying to get past their differences.

The fact that after 2 hours of setting up the conflict they resort to fighting because of a misunderstanding proves that snyder failed at setting up the core premise of the movie.

Does that make it a bad movie? maybe. To me, it's more of a flawed movie than a 27% rotten trash. the movie's major flaw is that it failed to set up its own premise and tbh, that's also a problem Civil War suffers from. they spend all this time talking about superhero oversight, discard that half way in to focus on Bucky then have a title fight over a misunderstanding (Zemo is the real enemy/Lex is the real enemy) and then in the end they fight because bucky killed tony's mother. But I guess, using mothers as a major plot point is only bad when Zach Snyder does it.
 
They tried to do too many things with one movie. Too many characters. Very poorly written script. Directing was weak too. Christopher Nolan did not executive produce this (like he did with Man of Steel).

On the positive side. Some of the acting was good. The music was great (I've never heard a bad Hans Zimmer score.)

But overall it was terrible.
 
I agree with OP. If you ignore any outside factors it was one hell of a spectacle.

If you look at the bigger picture the movie was a dumpster fire.
 
BvS is literally the ONLY movie that I have ever felt like waking out of a theater on.

I was so bored and just wanted to leave so badly the whole time. Not a single other movie has made me feel this way in a theater.

So, yes it is.
 
Still the worst film I've ever seen in theaters. I had to stifle my urge to walk out. I'm kinda glad I didn't since I can now talk about it, but also kinda want my time and money back. That film is so inept it's pure misery to endure. Only the "Martha" scene provides some comedy relief.
 
Yeah, it's an amazing movie. I don't get the hate for it. I can understand people thinking the movie is sloppy and overstuffed, but I don't get the venom it seems to spawn in these discussions. Why certain people would have you think it's a cinematic abomination is beyond me.
 
It's a good movie that got a whole fucking lot better with the extended cut. I'm really starting to wish that WB would stop fucking around in the editing room.
 
Easily one of the worst films I've ever seen in theaters.

Thankfully everyone in the crowd was laughing at it a lot so I still had a good time.


I still remember the hysteria at the Martha scene.
 
SillyNonsense said:
So it's the critics fault for comparing a worse movie to a better movie. It's unfair to judge two Action Superhero Batman movies in the same category.

Yep, nailed it.
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Yeah id say that was a pretty silly complaint, especially since BvS tries to go beyond the everyday CBM to something more. Id argue that it was at least in part judged fairly.
 
I never understood all the mocks that the Martha scene received. Since the first time a watched it i understood that saying her name was what made Batman to snap out of his hate and actually to start listening to Superman.
 
Gotta agree with the people saying it was one of the worst movies they've ever seen in theaters. I saw the reviews beforehand, but I figured I'd enjoy it despite that.

Terrible, nonsensical plot and its fuckingn boring on top of that.
 
DevilDog said:
Easily one of the worst films I've ever seen in theaters.

Thankfully everyone in the crowd was laughing at it a lot so I still had a good time.


I still remember the hysteria at the Martha scene.
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where did you watch the movie?

i watched it twice, once at a local suburb theater with the family crowd and once at the IMAX by the OSU campus and no one laughed at anything, not even the martha scene.

the reaction once the movie ended was mostly muted. they clearly didnt love the movie but no one was laughing at the movie.
 
It's bad, but not completely awful.

It's better than Suicide Squad, but that's not really saying much.
 
i only liked the political angle but even then that was skewered thoroughly. i wasn't intrigued. to me, it was a MCU movie without the quips.
 
SlimySnake said:
It's not that bad is how i would describe it. The 27% rotten score suggests its one of the worst movies of all time. i mean just look at the movies around it. iirc it's in the same range as the twilight movies.

there are some issues with character motivations, meandering plot points, underwhelming title fight and that god awful martha scene, but the rest is more than decent. The visuals are astounding, Ben Affleck is the best Batman we've ever had, the action scenes save for the title fight were great. Wonder Woman was great.

the film's flaws did not warrant such a harsh response. i think snyder spent too much time creating the conflict which didnt need to be created, lots of time spent on lex's plot, kgbeast had more scenes than superman, way too much time spent on louis trying to figure out lex's plot and not enough time spent on superman and batman trying to get past their differences.

The fact that after 2 hours of setting up the conflict they resort to fighting because of a misunderstanding proves that snyder failed at setting up the core premise of the movie.

Does that make it a bad movie? maybe. To me, it's more of a flawed movie than a 27% rotten trash. the movie's major flaw is that it failed to set up its own premise and tbh, that's also a problem Civil War suffers from. they spend all this time talking about superhero oversight, discard that half way in to focus on Bucky then have a title fight over a misunderstanding (Zemo is the real enemy/Lex is the real enemy) and then in the end they fight because bucky killed tony's mother. But I guess, using mothers as a major plot point is only bad when Zach Snyder does it.
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Just a reminder, but the thing is just fresh v. rotten. It doesn't measure how rotten.
 
I watched it over Easter break for the first time.

My reaction was, "Wait? What was all the hub-bub about?" I went in expecting a dumpster fire like "Sucker Punch", but it wasn't much worse than Watchmen or Man of Steel. (which I thought were decent films).

I didn't like the movie, but I didn't feel strongly negative about it either.

Now Suicide Squad? I thought that was a piece of garbage and it deserved the critical panning.
 
"People hate what they don't understand" Martha Kent

Seriously it's like people find it cool to jump on the hate bandwagon and thus you see the hate!

I think BVS is a superb movie, not perfect, but thoroughly entertaining to see the two iconic characters and their worlds collide. Now you can argue about why did they go with the TDKReturns theme in the movie considering Batman has never met superman before unlike in the comics, rather they could've taken the worlds finest story line when Bruce comes to metropolis to find out if joker and Luthor are working together, but it is what it is!
 
I can see how the Reverse Hype would actually make you like the movie more. I very much dislike the movie, but some people act like it killed their parents or something.
 
BlisterBrown said:
Gotta agree with the people saying it was one of the worst movies they've ever seen in theaters. I saw the reviews beforehand, but I figured I'd enjoy it despite that.

Terrible, nonsensical plot and its fuckingn boring on top of that.
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I waited for the home release. I saw the reviews and how people reacted and had a feeling I wouldn't love it but thought I'd still be entertained. My expectations were low and I was still really bored.

It's kind of like my reaction to the end of ME3. I waited for the DLC because of the way ME2's DLC was handled I figured I'd be better off playing it the first time with that available. I felt like I was prepared but it still really disappointed me anyway.
 
MoS, Prometheus, and BvS apology threads all in two days.

We need Suicide Squad and Sucker Punch threads for the hat-trick.
 
You're only saying that because you saw the ultimate edition cut, which is a boring but okay-ish movie. The theatrical release is a bad film.
 
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