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[KalBalboa]

This guy gets it. It's still the golden standard even now. Though to be fair, The Dark Knight, Winter Soldier, Guardians, & Iron Man 1 came close.

I don't even know if I can have a top 5/10 these days. At least not in any real order.

X-Men 2, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns, Dredd, and Days of Future Past all immediately spring to mind for me. Maybe Unbreakable, too, but that's more because it's just such a great movie and less a definitive superhero film. I've had a ton of fun with Iron Man 1, Avengers, and both Hulks too (judge me all you want).

 

[Alienous]

That MoS-criticism solely based on the twister-scene gets really annoying. It's like that Talia-death.gif, that is posted in every TDKR-thread.
Yes, everyone gets that there is a bad scene in these films.

It goes beyond that.

It had to be planned. There's CG and practical effects that were necessary to pull that scene off.

I think "We need Talia out of the picture for this scene" is more forgiveable if only for the fact that how the scene plays out reveals it as an afterthought. For Man of Steel, however, someone at some point prior to filming must have said "Let's kill Pa Kent with a tornado", and a lot of Man of Steel's misuse of spectacle and mistreatment of its characters can be summed up in that scene alone.

 

[Maninthemirror]

that's low for user scores though. Avengers 1 has a +90 for a user score and even Iron Man 2, often derided as the worst if not one of the worst marvel films, has a 72.

So Man of Steel is at least as good as one of the worst marvel films, then?

if you really want to get into numbers

Avengers 8.2
guardians 8.1
Cap 2 7.8
IM1 7.8
IM3 7.3
IM2 7.2
MoS 7.2
Thor 2 7.2
Thor 7.1
Thor 1 7.0
Cap 1 6.8


yet MoS is considered worse than All thor movies and Cap 1 and Iron Man 2

 

[KalBalboa]

if you really want to get into numbers

Avengers 8.2
guardians 8.1
Cap 2 7.8
IM1 7.8
IM3 7.3
IM2 7.2
MoS 7.2
Thor 2 7.2
Thor 7.1
Thor 1 7.0
Cap 1 6.8


yet MoS is considered worse than All thor movies and Cap 1 and Iron Man 2

I still love bringing up the Rotten Tomatoes score for Face/Off and seeing how people react.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

this will be amaze.

 

[Blader]

You really don't think fanboys exist who try and find fault with "competitor brand X?"

Yes, people can have their own subjective opinions and dislike movie/comic book ____ for whatever reason they see fit, but to ignore fandoms and those who enlist and them to a religious degree in this age seems a little intentionally ignorant for the sake of a forum argument.

Both types of people irrefutably exist.

Again, I do think there are people who hate Marvel/DC for the sake of hating Marvel/DC, but I also don't think they are anywhere near a majority of those with an opinion on the matter. When you say "it's fashionable to hate on DC," you're implying a trend that's popular, i.e. something that the majority would follow. And, also again, it seems especially weird to insinuate that this culture exists in any "fashionable" way here when TDK was just voted by GAFers last month as the best superhero movie of all time.

Some people probably hate Man of Steel because it's a Superman movie or because they're Marvel diehards or because jacked Snyder makes them feel insecure about themselves, or whatever the fuck else. But I think most of the people who disliked Man of Steel and are similarly wary about this film do so because they simply don't like him as a director, either on superhero works or in general.

 

[Dennis]

lmao

 

[Toa TAK]

While I liked Watchmen, that honor belongs to Spider-Man 2 (it still holds up today).

Now we're talking.

 

[D1renegade]

I thought this movie had no chance to be good, but this trailer has me intrigued.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

if you really want to get into numbers

Avengers 8.2
guardians 8.1
Cap 2 7.8
IM1 7.8
IM3 7.3
IM2 7.2
MoS 7.2
Thor 2 7.2
Thor 7.1
Thor 1 7.0
Cap 1 6.8


yet MoS is considered worse than All thor movies and Cap 1 and Iron Man 2

eh, i apologize for this turning into a list wars thing. Look, here's what i said earlier and i'll reiterate on it a bit.

And Man of Steel was a letdown even to the studio that made it. So confident was the studio about how a Man of Steel 2 would do that they threw Batman not only into the mix but he's basically headlining the film and the script pulls heavily from a batman story. What does that tell you about how they thought a MoS2 would do, or how they perceived the reception for MoS1 was?

It just kinda sucks if youre a supes fan. MoS wasn't great but there was hope that maybe a sequel would work out the kinks. Now, we know that we're probably not getting a solo supes film for quite a long time.

 

[Killing_Joke]

God damnit i fucking caved. It looks beautiful, so much hype and tears. And the force hate for the trailer is hilarious. Fuck worldwide appeal. Movie is based on TDKR, it better be dark and gritty. Action looks on point. Best looking Batman on screen.

I do not like the idea of Batman being "tricked" to fight Superman. He's too smart for that shit.

 

[twobear]

so is batfleck chubby or just like, abusing steroids

 

[mantidor]

I don't get the hate... it looks ok? I'm not a huge fan of Superman and I moderately like Batman, this looks watchable.

 

[Raptor]

As an avid fan of Watchmen, actually see it on screen was something else. Especially that opening credits scene. Probably the best comic book scene I've yet to witness.

MoS falls right in line w/ DC of today, and I loved it. If I want my Supes the way he was when I was growing up as a kid, I have that in the Donner version.

Agreed on all fronts, I still watch the donner ones once in a while if they are up there on TV but MoS is for me right now the Superman of today in terms of movies, Im one of the few that I loved everything about MoS except the damn editing

 

[Maninthemirror]

eh, i apologize for this turning into a list wars thing. Look, here's what i said earlier and i'll reiterate on it a bit.

And Man of Steel was a letdown even to the studio that made it. So confident was the studio about how a Man of Steel 2 would do that they threw Batman not only into the mix but he's basically headlining the film and the script pulls heavily from a batman story. What does that tell you about how they thought a MoS2 would do, or how they perceived the reception for MoS1 was?

It just kinda sucks if youre a supes fan. MoS wasn't great but there was hope that maybe a sequel would work out the kinks. Now, we know that we're probably not getting a solo supes film for quite a long time.

I think you are ASSUMING with great assumption that the studio thought it was bad BECAUSE the next movie featured Batman. thats grasping at straws. If they thought it was a bad movie they wouldnt have made Zack Snyder the director of MoS the head of ALL DC comic movies. Ironically the Theme of BatvSup deals with the destruction of Metropolis resulting from the Superman Zod fight as well as it addresses the fact that in a pseudo realistic setting if Superman comes and is worshipped as a demigod by people, and if he starts turning against the interest of humanity, what can be done.

 

[Honey Bunny]

And Man of Steel was a letdown even to the studio that made it. So confident was the studio about how a Man of Steel 2 would do that they threw Batman not only into the mix but he's basically headlining the film and the script pulls heavily from a batman story. What does that tell you about how they thought a MoS2 would do, or how they perceived the reception for MoS1 was?

Got a source?

The far more likely explanation to me is that DC wants to get into this cinematic universe lark because they like money.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Looks good from what I could make out. I like big batfleck and his voice sounds like I expected without being as over the top as Baleman.

I still have reservations about the tone they're going for, but these first teasers are usually always overly dark and brooding. But for a teaser that is basically from Bats' perspective it does make sense. Looking forward to seeing more.

 

[jett]

so is batfleck chubby or just like, abusing steroids

The Batfleck is swole as fuck

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

I think you are ASSUMING with great assumption that the studio thought it was bad BECAUSE the next movie featured Batman. thats grasping at straws. If they thought it was a bad movie they wouldnt have made Zack Snyder the director of MoS the head of ALL DC comic movies

but that was because Nolan made that call, right? And he continues to have oversight over the whole thing, no?

and yeah, it's a bad look if Superman 2 starts with the word Batman, just the same as if a batman 2 started with the word Superman and was based on a Superman storyline. Let's not kid ourselves here.

 

[Newlove]

so is batfleck chubby or just like, abusing steroids

Affleck made all kinds of gains, but I believe both suits exaggerate the muscles with padding also.

 

[spookyfish]

Needs more grimdark.


And logos.

 

[Effect]

its not even a trailer, its a teaser which some people seem to be forgetting

the movie is coming out in a year, what exactly did you expect?

Some people have such a hard on for Marvel that they feel the need to hate everything about DC film wise. That's not to say everyone is like that because they certainly aren't. However many people are very consistent about it and they're easy to spot even in this thread. For these people nothing WB could put out would make them happy because they aren't interested in being happy or watching a film on it's own merits. As said for some people it's the "in thing" to do to complain about WB/DC or say they're doing it wrong, etc. They're in it for the complaining or the trash talking. That's what matters to them, not the product itself.

The worse of these people are those that outright lie and it's easy to spot those if you've read Man of Steel threads. Those people can be outright ignored for the most part I think.

 

[Trickster]

Why would these 2 even be up agains't each other? From what I understand, it's the same superman from the recent superman movie, and I think it's fair to say that superman is a good guy. So is batman supposed to be the bad guy in this movie? And why the fuck would he stand a chance agains't superman other than "lol kryptonite"?

 

[Maninthemirror]

but that was because Nolan made that call, right? And he continues to have oversight over the whole thing, no?

and yeah, it's a bad look if Superman 2 starts with the word Batman, just the same as if a batman 2 started with the word Superman and was based on a Superman storyline. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Nolan is not involved in DC movie projects anymore. your assumptions are grasping at straws if you think they threw batman into the mix BECAUSE they thought MoS had a bad reception. Did they add Civil War theme into Cap vs IM because they thought Cap and IM are doing badly at Box office?

 

[spookyfish]

Why would these 2 even be up agains't each other? From what I understand, it's the same superman from the recent superman movie, and I think it's fair to say that superman is a good guy. So is batman supposed to be the bad guy in this movie? And why the fuck would he stand a chance agains't superman other than "lol kryptonite"?

Well, I guess there's Superman's nature, in that he won't take a life, or he'll probably be all "let us reason this out."

I don't know. The whole premise has me confused, as well.

 

[Poodlestrike]

God, I can feel they HYYYYYYYYYYPE

As for Batman fighting Superman: if the armor is indeed reverse engineered Kryptonian tech (as some have speculated), than he could be just as much a match for Supes as Faora was. That was all the armor, none of them had powers at that point.

 

[flintstryker]

I still love bringing up the Rotten Tomatoes score for Face/Off and seeing how people react.

What are you talking about? Face/off is fucking awesome

 

[Mengy]

At the expense of Superman not acting like superman?

Because right now, Captain America has more of Superman's personality traits than the Snyder one

Yes, this is my biggest problem with MoS, the way it's written Superman just doesn't feel like Superman. Cavill looks the part for certain, but the substance is lacking, and it hurts the whole movie. Basically the writing and script hurt MoS, everything else (except for that blue filter) was spot on.

But I agree that Evan's CA feels much more like Superman than DC's current movie version does. I hope they really address this for BvsS and fix it.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

While I liked Watchmen, that honor belongs to Spider-Man 2 (it still holds up today).

And while MoS isn't the worst movie ever made, it wasn't the best either. My biggest gripe was that they tried to hard to make Superman like Batman (dark & brooding). Sure, Superman can be serious when he needs to be, but there should be more elements of fun in there as well.

I'm starting to believe what they say about you Neo... Spider-Man 2 is a bizarre product of it's time that has aged like warm milk. Dark Knight, Winter Soldier, Iron Man and Avengers all beat it without so much as breaking a sweat.

 

[Blader]

but that was because Nolan made that call, right? And he continues to have oversight over the whole thing, no?

Nolan hired Snyder, but he doesn't have any oversight over the movies.

 

[JB1981]

People are lukewarm toward this because many people simply did not like Man of Steel. The direction they took with the character did NOT work for a lot of people. It was introspective and joyless and that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

 

[freenudemacusers]

batman don't care

 

[Penguin]

Why would these 2 even be up agains't each other? From what I understand, it's the same superman from the recent superman movie, and I think it's fair to say that superman is a good guy. So is batman supposed to be the bad guy in this movie? And why the fuck would he stand a chance agains't superman other than "lol kryptonite"?

You know, there doesn't always need to be a good guy and a bad guy in an encounter.

Going back to the MCU well

When Thor and Iron Man fought.. neither one of them were the "bad guy"

both had legit point of views that they disagreed upon so they came to blows because for some reason superheroes can't use their words when first meeting.

 

[J10]

Why would these 2 even be up agains't each other? From what I understand, it's the same superman from the recent superman movie, and I think it's fair to say that superman is a good guy. So is batman supposed to be the bad guy in this movie? And why the fuck would he stand a chance agains't superman other than "lol kryptonite"?

The use of v (like a court case) instead of vs. (like a fight) in the title indicates it's probably more about ideological differences than brawling. It's probably about them coming to an understanding while dealing with a villain.

 

[Schweinehund]

God damnit i fucking caved. It looks beautiful, so much hype and tears. And the force hate for the trailer is hilarious. Fuck worldwide appeal. Movie is based on TDKR, it better be dark and gritty. Action looks on point. Best looking Batman on screen.

I do not like the idea of Batman being "tricked" to fight Superman. He's too smart for that shit.

I did too , was hoping WB would have posted it by now.

I was going in tempered given some responses in the thread but I thought it was an excellent teaser, but a bad trailer. It established the tone, Batfleck is fucking awesome, Superman obviously doesn't like the god worship, his face gives it away, the dialog is so much better than Man of Steel. No idea why some people were saying his voice sounded like Bale, it's much more clear, obviously altered and feels a lot like the VA work in the TDKR adaptation.

They're taking way too long on releasing the HD version.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Nolan hired Snyder, but he doesn't have any oversight over the movies.

oh ok, i admit i didn't keep up with some of the behind the scene changes with the DCU stuff so it's good to know.

 

[Toa TAK]

You know, there doesn't always need to be a good guy and a bad guy in an encounter.

Going back to the MCU well

When Thor and Iron Man fought.. neither one of them were the "bad guy"

both had legit point of views that they disagreed upon so they came to blows because for some reason superheroes can't use their words when first meeting.

Haha.

 

[Maninthemirror]

You know, there doesn't always need to be a good guy and a bad guy in an encounter.

Going back to the MCU well

When Thor and Iron Man fought.. neither one of them were the "bad guy"

both had legit point of views that they disagreed upon so they came to blows because for some reason superheroes can't use their words when first meeting.

the why are they fighting doesnt matter until we see the context of the fight. Its like saying why would Cap and IM fight the civil war themed movie.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

What does Batman(?) say after the "do you bleed?" line? I can't tell.

 

[Vyer]

That Polygon article is beyond dumb. Of course from the family that also brought you "oh no a turret on the batmobile ruins batman!1!".

 

[Maninthemirror]

What does Batman(?) say after the "do you bleed?" line? I can't tell.

"you will"

 

[jett]

batman don't care

 

[Trickster]

You know, there doesn't always need to be a good guy and a bad guy in an encounter.

Going back to the MCU well

When Thor and Iron Man fought.. neither one of them were the "bad guy"

both had legit point of views that they disagreed upon so they came to blows because for some reason superheroes can't use their words when first meeting.

Thor vs Iron Man was a 5 minute sequence that Iron Man would have lost very shortly after however. Batman vs Superman should not even take a second

 

[farisr]

I still love bringing up the Rotten Tomatoes score for Face/Off and seeing how people react.

What's so surprising about the RT score? Seems about right.

 

[Mudcrab]

batman don't care

Batman's into some stuff.

 

[Kinyou]

Affleck made all kinds of gains, but I believe both suits exaggerate the muscles with padding also.

Ho- Hockey Pads?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Man i'd pay $5 just for this costume to be in Arkham Knight.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Thor vs Iron Man was a 5 minute sequence that Iron Man would have lost very shortly after however. Batman vs Superman should not even take a second

well i think it is being stepped up as Superman after killing Zod thinks he has the impunity to kill to get the job done vs Batman who has a hard dont kill rule combined with the fact that Superman I think will be used by Lex to do the governments contract work which Batman sees as negative and cruel. Superman is really brainwashed into thinking he is doing humanity a good by killing with impunity and doing the US government work by taking out interests which are harmful to America. batman wants to end this as he sees that is making the US and Superman corrupt because as the trailer says "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

The movie will end up resolving the neck snapping AND the Destruction issue in ONE movie

 

[……forgetit]

batman don't care

Why would you do this

 

[IndoAssassin]

I liked the Man of Steel Superman better than the old school Superman. He actually felt dynamic and not one dimensional like the old school one.