SOME-MIST
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your score won't suffer much if you use wicked weaving and stay within a combo chain. The best part of bayonetta is being able to string together combo after combo while dodging a la wicked weaving.
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Bayonetta: How do I not suck?
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NinjaBoiX
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GOT IT?!?
Yeah,
You only need one flute, assign it to the left slot on the d-pad, but instead of using it with the d-pad select it from the weapons and item screen. It will never run out!
Got me through the hardest difficulty settings as i dn't have the reflexes for those at all haha.
valentine71
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No offense but if this game is hard for you, how the hell did you finish God Hand?
NinjaBoiX
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What is "rush-down"?
teruterubozu
Member
Stop playing the PS3 version.
I don't care much how the game ranks me.
It's a borrowed term from fighting games. It basically means constant pressure on the enemy trying to maintain stun. It's fast paced and basically pure offense.
dodge Dodge DODGE
Never take your eyes off the enemies. You should always be scanning the screen looking for attack tells. I'm rarely even looking at Bayonetta.
It's the one I have ;_;
Never take your eyes off the enemies. You should always be scanning the screen looking for attack tells. I'm rarely even looking at Bayonetta.
It's the one I have ;_;
gutter_trash
Banned
if you have slow reflexes, just play for fun and forget about the fancy.
That is what caused to rift with me and this game, I tried to be good but couldn't and I just play for fun
Easy mode, I only play God Hand on easy mode, Normal is too Hard
That is what caused to rift with me and this game, I tried to be good but couldn't and I just play for fun
Easy mode, I only play God Hand on easy mode, Normal is too Hard
Cannon Goose
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Equip as many shotguns as you can and just never stop blasting. Any basic combo and lots of dodging will do as long as you end it with a nice shotgun blast. I realised this about halfway through the game and it made everything really easy but still fun.
adaptive difficulty, the game wasn't very hard for me for my first playthrough, and it's harder now because they're at level 3 and level die all the time ever since I learned to play better, it's also slower and easier to read moves and less chaotic than Bayonetta.
It's really the matter on the player's playstyle, they all play quite differently
Man-is-Obsolete
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If you think the game is hard you should have seen me play it. lol. About mid way through I was wondering "How do I get more Halos?", so I looked online and many people said to buy the Gaze of Despair and equip it. I did and fought the big boss on chapter 8 I think it was a few times and raked in the halos. I then proceeded to play the game with the gaze of despair still equipped!!! My ass got handed to me and couldn't for the life of me figure out why. Well turns out the Gaze of Despair automatically enrages enemies making them much more aggressive with the up side being you fill your combo meter faster.
I learned a lot those next 3-4 chapters on how to play the game properly, I finally had to investigate the matter when I made it to the 3 floating ships that shoot missels and everything else at you. Those chapters with that item equipped though were brutal!
I learned a lot those next 3-4 chapters on how to play the game properly, I finally had to investigate the matter when I made it to the 3 floating ships that shoot missels and everything else at you. Those chapters with that item equipped though were brutal!
sixteen-bit
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If Bayonetta is kicking your ass, maybe you should start :/
Mohonky
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Same, the game just pissed me off actually. I can finish all the later Ninja Gaiden (Xbox to Xbox360) on the hard difficulties (not the very hardest) but I can't for the life of me work out Bayonetta. I completed the game but I was pissed off that I never felt like I was comfortable with the combat; I always felt like I was surviving on luck or something. The same goes with DMC. Something about the stupidly long combo's and multiple linking moves just annoy me, I don't like stupidly long combo's or memorising a million different attacks (hence why I don't enjoy fighters) so this game just didn't really feel like I was getting the most from it.
To help specifically with the "Combos" part of the scoring: If there is some distance between you and the closest enemy, shooting at the enemy with the square button (don't know the mapping of a 360 controller lol) should help keep the combo scoring going long enough for you to get closer and land a hit.
You should probably also experiment with different weapons. Some of the disc pieces you need are hidden around levels, so explore a bit.
It's actually better for you to buy the Star of Dineta accessory and find an Alfheim when you're low on life. Failing Alfheims don't affect your score, so instead of dying or using items (which subtract from score), you can hang around inside the Alfheim battles and use the Star of Dineta to heal up. Granted, taking that much damage already means you wrecked your overall score somewhat.
You should probably also experiment with different weapons. Some of the disc pieces you need are hidden around levels, so explore a bit.
It's actually better for you to buy the Star of Dineta accessory and find an Alfheim when you're low on life. Failing Alfheims don't affect your score, so instead of dying or using items (which subtract from score), you can hang around inside the Alfheim battles and use the Star of Dineta to heal up. Granted, taking that much damage already means you wrecked your overall score somewhat.
Ding (literally). OP, go to the tutorial area and spend some time standing in one place and dodging. If you want to try to train to dodge off the audio cue, do it with your eyes closed, and just listen.
I'm not fantastic at the game, but I platinumed my way through Normal and completed Hard & Non-Stop Infinite Climax without too much difficulty.
As for Grace & Glory/Gracious & Glorious, they require more elaborate tactics than most of the normies you fight. There's a lot more of back and forth with them as they will parry and counter your attacks at times. There's audio cues for that too. If you can learn to identify the sharp clang noise that you hear when your attack is parried/knocked back, then treat it just like the typical attack noise. Dodge immediately before you get countered.
And if you want even higher scores, then yes, learn to dodge offset your combos.
Risk Breaker
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Yeah right.
gunbo13, at high levels you pretty much have to constantly attack your enemies, stun them, juggle them, always attacking, or else they will just chain attack you to death. You cannot dodge forever, only 5 times, and when you don't have witch time, dodging is only used with offset which is used to pummel away at your enemies
Buy the Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa and learn how to parry (and perfect parry) by replaying the Vestibule.
"Try" a technique in Rodin's Store to get a punching bag enemy to practice on.
Learn how to use Dodge Offset consistently, at least with PKP. Beast Within Offset is really helpful, too, although I only started using it when I was having trouble with Joys on Hard.
Shuraba (hands) and Durga - fire (feet) is probably the most well rounded weapon combination. Be sure to use Durga bombs on tough enemies by holding K. Those flying boats can be destroyed in one PPP combo if you equip Durga - fire (hands) and hold P to conjure a bomb for each strike.
Easily earn plenty of Halos by replaying Chapter 7 using Durga - lightning on both hands and feet and using punch attacks over and over. Equipping the Gaze of Despair and Selene's light in this Chapter will help you earn even more Halos.
Try and find every Alfheim Portal (or just use a location guide) and then try to finish them all, even if you're having trouble. Replaying the APs is a great way to move past the button mashing stage.
"Try" a technique in Rodin's Store to get a punching bag enemy to practice on.
Learn how to use Dodge Offset consistently, at least with PKP. Beast Within Offset is really helpful, too, although I only started using it when I was having trouble with Joys on Hard.
Shuraba (hands) and Durga - fire (feet) is probably the most well rounded weapon combination. Be sure to use Durga bombs on tough enemies by holding K. Those flying boats can be destroyed in one PPP combo if you equip Durga - fire (hands) and hold P to conjure a bomb for each strike.
Easily earn plenty of Halos by replaying Chapter 7 using Durga - lightning on both hands and feet and using punch attacks over and over. Equipping the Gaze of Despair and Selene's light in this Chapter will help you earn even more Halos.
Try and find every Alfheim Portal (or just use a location guide) and then try to finish them all, even if you're having trouble. Replaying the APs is a great way to move past the button mashing stage.
I've been up for 23 hours so I might be misunderstanding you but I think the term you're looking for is Dodge Offset. Wicked Weaves are the demon summon hair attacks.
We can talk high levels if he gets there.Yeah right.
gunbo13, at high levels you pretty much have to constantly attack your enemies, stun them, juggle them, always attacking, or else they will just chain attack you to death. You cannot dodge forever, only 5 times, and when you don't have witch time, dodging is only used with offset which is used to pummel away at your enemies
Risk Breaker
Member
We can talk high levels if he gets there.
Haha, touché
In Normal, yes, I absolutely agree that it feels "easy" once you know the game some. Witch time really makes it "easy".
Will keep in mind if I revisit for 1000/1000.
I also had tremendous troubles getting accustomed to the combat and insanity on screen. I have beaten DMC1 on all difficulties(DMD included except for Mundus 2, fuck that boss), yet I just couldn't wrap my head around Bayonetta.
Just never felt really comfortable using any of the combos or weapon varieties. Never was able to wrap my head entirely around how to approach some of the difficult encounters or bosses(mostly thanks to the weird design). For instance, the two elemental wolves(Fire/Ice) you face often in the lategame as regular encounters, just couldn't really get a good feel for how to fight them, their patterns, and what weapons work well.
Beat the game on Normal, but really struggled through the whole thing. Sometimes I would randomly get Pure Platinum grades, but often Bronze and occasionally stone. Never felt like I actively accomplished or enhanced my skillset even when I recieved Platinum marks for certain sections.
I also didn't bother with items or healing, as I never really knew what was good to buy from the shop to equip as accessories(if they affect grades? or how useful they are to my playstyle). This might have been a mistake, but I still managed the game on normal with no accessories equipped.
Will keep reading this thread, as I want to like the game and eventually get good at it. But I felt confused and distant from all of the hype and love after finishing my playthrough. Just never clicked with me as it did so many.
I was going to say buy this absolutely stunning guide book. I have a copy and it's ace. But it seems to be either sold out or people are charging silly prices for it. Seen some new from £89.99 on Amazon and used copies going for £141 lol.
The prices are much worse in America.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/3869930039/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MushroomSamba
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I was thinking about picking this up since it's under $20 on Amazon. Which should I get? PS3 or 360 version?
I remember a big deal being made how bad the load times and framerate were for the PS3 version, but apparently it's been patched? If both versions are the same now, technical performance-wise, I'd prefer getting it on my PS3. Any advice?
I remember a big deal being made how bad the load times and framerate were for the PS3 version, but apparently it's been patched? If both versions are the same now, technical performance-wise, I'd prefer getting it on my PS3. Any advice?
SOME-MIST
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my bad...I always assumed that it was called wicked weaving due to the trophy/achievement.. you're the first person who has ever corrected me lol.
thanks.
The patch only fixed the loading times. The 360 version is far superior in terms of graphics and performance.
SOME-MIST
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there isn't really any big/noticeable difference in performance between the 360 and ps3...at least in my experience - I bought the ps3 version first since I didn't buy a 360 until a year later.
the only difference is how it's all washed out and the loading times, but if you do have a choice definitely go with the 360 version.
the only difference is how it's all washed out and the loading times, but if you do have a choice definitely go with the 360 version.
J-Roderton
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I still can't get past the first big dragon guy.
The ps3 version runs at sub 30fps a lot unless nothing is happening, I'm sure there were cases where it drops to the 20ish or lower depend how chaotic a section is, if you could round up a bunch of enemies, with wicked weave and a bunch of effects it almost feel as you're going through some twisted version of constant witch time. (at least that what it felt like to me
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So get the 360 version! Loading time was terrible on ps3 too but much better than the dog poop loading before they patched in the installation
So get the 360 version! Loading time was terrible on ps3 too but much better than the dog poop loading before they patched in the installation
I remember my first runthrough, basically mashing buttons, not having a concrete understanding of how the game works, not being able to beat Grace and Glory... now I tear through them (on normal and hard) like a hot knife through butter. Them even being able to touch me is an insult I cannot bear.
The thing that really helped me is the audio-cue for attacks for all enemies, especially on normal where it telegraphs like crazy (except grace and glory, just don't get near the fuckers, use shotguns). You can only dodge 5 times before you get stunlocked for a second due to STYLE, so don't abuse that too often - learn to offset, learn to panther offset to get space to move.
Don't bother with healing, but you should learn which items to use; the parry bracelets are good; slot in and out the witch-time bombs and the healing taunt thingy.
Weapons change the game up A LOT.
The thing that really helped me is the audio-cue for attacks for all enemies, especially on normal where it telegraphs like crazy (except grace and glory, just don't get near the fuckers, use shotguns). You can only dodge 5 times before you get stunlocked for a second due to STYLE, so don't abuse that too often - learn to offset, learn to panther offset to get space to move.
Don't bother with healing, but you should learn which items to use; the parry bracelets are good; slot in and out the witch-time bombs and the healing taunt thingy.
Weapons change the game up A LOT.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
A few people are recommending mastering dodge offset, but I think that's an unnecessarily high bar for a beginner looking to "not suck." You don't need dodge offset at all to do well on normal difficulty in my experience.
It makes it a lot easier though!
It's just something nice to use because most of the time the shots you fire (depend on the weapon) inbetween hits could stagger the enemies, and also it helps you focus on enemy attacks as you're not mashing your buttons, and you're doing more damage with wicked weaves without having to reset your combo, which usually just make you button mash again.
I had an extremely easier time by doing dodge offset because if you use durga, and the rocket launcher, the inbetween shots does a lot of damage and I have an easier time dodging attacks, since I suck at focusing on 2 things at a time, I can't mash buttons and dodge, holding down the button pauses your combo and allows you to dodge.
It's not really a high bar at all, it's just getting into the habit of "holding down button" instead of letting go, much easier than mashing/dodging, it becomes too chaotic.
I just sold my Xbox and Bayonetta is one game I'd like to repurchase on PS3. Did it ever get patched to acceptable?
Pinko Marx
Banned
Thanks for all the tips guys.
A couple of my major problems with the game;
A number of people have said that the combat is chaotic and there are a lot of things going on on screen and I agree. I'm sure this'll be alleviated as I get more used to the game but right now I usually just find myself mashing and dodging when I can, but it doesn't seem to be to much effect.
The number of combos for each weapon is insane and I can't remember them at all. In DMC and God Hand the combo system was sort of freeform, in Ninja Gaiden the weapons didn't have too much to remember, so I'm running into difficulty here in Bayo.
Overall my problems are that there seem to be so many systems and subsystems and whatnot going on that I don't feel like I'm grasping any one facet of gameplay securely. None of the weapons feel comfortable or cool to me, except the default.
Things people have mentioned:
Dodge Offset: I knew it existed in this game, I know what it is, but in the midst of battle I can never think to use it.
Audio cues for dodging: never noticed this shit
Anyway, I think I'm just gunna keep at it and eventually hope I get better. The reason I was making this thread is cause I just beat Fortitudo (or whatever his name is) and still haven't felt like I've progressed much as far as understanding the game goes. Whereas with a game like Ninja Gaiden or God Hand or DMC I was able to pick up fairly quickly.
A couple of my major problems with the game;
A number of people have said that the combat is chaotic and there are a lot of things going on on screen and I agree. I'm sure this'll be alleviated as I get more used to the game but right now I usually just find myself mashing and dodging when I can, but it doesn't seem to be to much effect.
The number of combos for each weapon is insane and I can't remember them at all. In DMC and God Hand the combo system was sort of freeform, in Ninja Gaiden the weapons didn't have too much to remember, so I'm running into difficulty here in Bayo.
Overall my problems are that there seem to be so many systems and subsystems and whatnot going on that I don't feel like I'm grasping any one facet of gameplay securely. None of the weapons feel comfortable or cool to me, except the default.
Things people have mentioned:
Dodge Offset: I knew it existed in this game, I know what it is, but in the midst of battle I can never think to use it.
Audio cues for dodging: never noticed this shit
Anyway, I think I'm just gunna keep at it and eventually hope I get better. The reason I was making this thread is cause I just beat Fortitudo (or whatever his name is) and still haven't felt like I've progressed much as far as understanding the game goes. Whereas with a game like Ninja Gaiden or God Hand or DMC I was able to pick up fairly quickly.
Sohter.Nura
Member
Reading faqs and watching videos will make a world of difference if you want to get good scores.
Just play the game and then make another playthrough and you'llsee the difference it makes.
Just play the game and then make another playthrough and you'llsee the difference it makes.
Boogalogist
Member
Yes it did. There was some patch and some full installation thing. Definitely not up to 360 level...but it's pretty playable after the patch.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Dodging and slowing time is essential. Also, that samurai sword is a must later on against certain enemies.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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No, it really didn't. They only fixed the loading times, and they weren't the worst part about the port.
Black_Stride
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Buy Bat Within nice and early.
Its super useful if your reflexes arent fully up to snuff....before i get jumped let me explain.
I found that alot of my friends who didnt have perfect reflexes would try simply dodging attacks but because they were too slow the attack would hit, however usually it was just as they were pressing the dodge button which would put Jeanne in Bat/Moth Within and still get them Witch time.
Else, learn to dodge, just dodge everything till you have all the enemies timings down.
Then learn to dodge offset like a champ.....you want to not suck you do not want to be cheap, so yes learn to dodge offset in the loading menu(or first tutorial section).
I believe there is a point where the one angel keeps attacking you forever if you dont listen to the tutorial prompt....well dont and just keep practicing dodge offsets with the longer combos.
Prepare for Gracious and Glorious NOW who will most likely be the bane of your future Bayonetta playing experiences
Its super useful if your reflexes arent fully up to snuff....before i get jumped let me explain.
I found that alot of my friends who didnt have perfect reflexes would try simply dodging attacks but because they were too slow the attack would hit, however usually it was just as they were pressing the dodge button which would put Jeanne in Bat/Moth Within and still get them Witch time.
Else, learn to dodge, just dodge everything till you have all the enemies timings down.
Then learn to dodge offset like a champ.....you want to not suck you do not want to be cheap, so yes learn to dodge offset in the loading menu(or first tutorial section).
I believe there is a point where the one angel keeps attacking you forever if you dont listen to the tutorial prompt....well dont and just keep practicing dodge offsets with the longer combos.
Prepare for Gracious and Glorious NOW who will most likely be the bane of your future Bayonetta playing experiences
Don't worry about combos, all you really need to remember is PKP (Punch Kick Punch) to get to Weaves as fast as possible if you really want to just spam the damage. Everything else is pure style, just remember that no Weave combos begin with Kicks. It's not really that important to maintain a combo at this point, that will all come naturally, the key to everything right now is dodging. Definitely get Bat Within to facilitate that.
Holding down buttons to fire your weapons is the best, but your primary damage output will come from Weaves.
AcceptableGhost
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Don't get the PS3 version unless you absolutely have to. It is a technical mess compared to the blistering fast 360 version, and I usually get PS3 over 360.
HYDE
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Yeah you do your stats go to the shitter. You're deemed a Ninja Dog it seems when receiving a stone award.
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