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BBC Watchdog to tackle PS3 YLoD at 8pm tonight

Sony tackles BBC over 'PS3 failure' report

Sony has issued an unprecedented defence of its PlayStation 3 console amid claims that it is suffering from inherent hardware failure issues, and that Sony's out of warranty repairs service is inadequate.

The BBC's Watchdog programme will tonight air a report claiming Sony "refuses to fix" systems suffering from the so-called 'yellow light of death', which forces the console to shut down immediately after booting up.

In response, Sony's has issued a detailed six page document, reprinted in full on GamesIndustry.biz, questioning the accuracy and research of the Watchdog report.

Here's Sony's response:
11th September 2009

Dear XXXX

BBC Watchdog – 17 September 2009

Further to your recent correspondence with our PR agency and parent company, I am writing to respond to your queries in connection with the edition of Watchdog that is scheduled for broadcast on Thursday 17 September 2009. I should state at the outset that we are, of course, disappointed if a small number of our consumers appear to have experienced problems with their PlayStation 3 units outside the manufacturer’s warranty period and we take our customer care obligations very seriously. It is for this reason that SCEUK operates a service of out of warranty repair or replacement (replacement with a refurbished unit within 48 hours at the consumer’s convenience by courier). To be clear, this service is subsidised by SCEUK, there is no profit made by SCEUK on this service.

You have informed us that this broadcast will include a report concerning faults alleged to affect PlayStation®3 consoles, and SCEUK’s policy on out-of-warranty (OOW) repairs. Most importantly, we entirely refute the suggestion that PS3 consoles have an inherent defect or other design issue which is akin to any warranty issue experienced by another console manufacturer. SCEUK has sold 2.5 million consoles in the UK since March 2007 and stands by the quality of its products. Clearly the allegations you propose to air in your program might have the potential to adversely effect Sony Computer Entertainment’s reputation for supplying high quality products and customer service and we take very seriously any issues that can impact the public’s or our customers’ confidence in those products.

From the correspondence to date, I have serious concerns as to the accuracy of these allegations and the likely tone of the Watchdog report. The information that you have provided suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of the technical issues and a mis-characterisation of SCEUK’s OOW repairs policy. It is in all parties’ interests that your reporting does not contain inaccurate or distorted information and the facts are presented in a manner which is not misleading or exaggerated. I trust the detailed information in this letter will enable the BBC to adopt a more balanced and sober approach to this issue than we have experienced to date.

1. You have indicated that a number of viewers had contacted you to complain about a fault affecting their PS3 systems, whereby “a yellow light appears and their console then stops working – anecdotally called the ‘yellow light of death’” (your email of 18 August 2009).

2. You clarified in your letter of 25 August 2009 that the majority of those viewers had experienced problems with the 60GB launch model of the PS3. In that letter, you went on to say that, after examining three PS3 systems that had “displayed symptoms” of this fault, the consultancy noted the presence of higher levels of voids in soldering than would have been expected, in the case of two of those units. Your letter continued: “These voids can be problematic in some cases, but by no means in all cases. In some instances,… these voids can fracture at the inter-metallic interface… If this fracture was to occur on a vital connection, it would stop the console from working. [Consultancy] is of the opinion that this problem [presumably: excessive voiding] has occurred during the manufacturing process and not as a result of consumer use or a thermal effect during use.”

3. Your letter went on to say that, in the opinion of three commercial repairers of PS3 systems, the supposed “‘yellow light of death’ fault is caused by a soldering issue”.

4. With respect, neither your letter of 25 August nor any other information you have provided (including the [Consultancy] report) establishes that there is such a thing as a “‘yellow light of death’ fault”. In this regard:

The phrase “yellow light of death” has been adopted by certain members of the online community to describe the situation in which PS3 systems have shut down following the illumination of the yellow light on the PS3’s front panel. The yellow indicator is simply a non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances. For example, it could indicate a problem caused or exacerbated by the console’s power supply, by overheating, by poor ventilation, by software issues or by any one of a range of issues that may inevitably affect any complex item of consumer electronics.

SCEUK has run searches of its customer complaints/warranty database to identify the number of reports made to it regarding instances of system shutdown or failure in circumstances where the front panel yellow indicator is illuminated. The results show that of all PS3s sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated. As Watchdog has a very high awareness amongst the UK audience, it isn't surprising that some people have contacted you with regard to this issue. However we think it is highly unfair to suggest that from an installed base of 2.5 million that the numbers you mention somehow are evidence of a 'manufacturing defect'.

The comparison with other console warranty issues is wholly inappropriate, in circumstances where – as here, and as discussed further below – there is no evidence of a manufacturing voiding defect affecting any PS3s; where the voiding identified by the expert contacted by the BBC is within the tolerance levels set out by the applicable IPC standard; and where that expert analysis considered a sample of only three units and reached no firm conclusions as to the existence of a defect that could be detrimental to device operation.

5. The technical evidence that you have provided to support the assertion that there is a manufacturing defect affecting PS3s comes from two sources. First, you rely on anecdotal reports made by the three repairers whom you have contacted. As discussed further below, evidence provided by organisations of this sort who have a commercial interest in the repair of electronic goods must be treated with caution. Second, you have asked [Consultancy], a respected not-for-profit testing house, to carry out testing on a small number of reportedly failed units. We understand [Consultancy] did not produce a written report and you have provided a summary of your understanding from an interview with the relevant person. As regards the [Consultancy] analysis:

The testing concerned a sample of only three PS3s, which cannot, on any basis, be deemed to be representative of a UK user base of [c. 2.5 million]. One of these had in addition been materially altered by the owner.

The report identified “higher levels of voids than expected” in only two of these three units, which is itself sufficient to suggest that the technical hypothesis set out in your letter of 25 August 2009 (namely, that solder voids cause system failure) is incorrect. If this were the case, wouldn’t “higher levels of voids than expected” have been present in all three units?

[Report author] does not indicate the basis on which he considered that voiding at the levels seen – which, by his own admission, in no case exceeded 25 per cent sphere mass – were higher than he expected. In fact, assuming [Report author] is applying IPC standard A-610D (Acceptability of Electronic Assemblies, February 2005), that standard makes clear that “25% or less voiding in a ball x-ray image area” means that the product in question meets the relevant criterion for compliance. Although we have not been given the opportunity to confirm these results, [Report author's] findings appear to show the voiding levels in the consoles he examined to be below industry-accepted levels.

Most importantly, nothing in the report supports the conclusion that voiding was the cause of the problems reported as affecting the units in question. Indeed, the report specifically noted that: “[Report author] could not say if these voids would be detrimental to the device operation, as this can not be determined by x-ray, but he said that they have the potential to be detrimental.” The other language that he chose to use (e.g. “These voids can be problematic in some cases, but by no means all cases”) is likewise extremely cautious.

6. The BBC simply has no technical basis for asserting that the supposed “yellow light” issue results from a defect in the manufacture of PS3s, in circumstances where the BBC’s own technical expert is unwilling or unable to say that voiding (which is, in any event, within recognised industry tolerance) is problematic per se, or that it would have affected device operation in the case of even this small sample of units. All the more so, given the low level of complaints or warranty claims received by SCEUK on this score. Nor does the technical data justify the negative and hostile tone of the planned broadcast.

7. Overall, the allegations outlined in the correspondence to date are simply not substantiated by the technical data collected in support. Given the commercial and reputational harm that unsupported allegations of this sort may do to Sony and the PS3 brand, I would hope that the BBC exercises appropriate caution before leaping to conclusions or creating a “scare” among PS3 users by broadcasting such allegations on national television.

8. Customers who purchase a PS3 benefit from a manufacturer’s one-year warranty, which is standard industry practice.

9. If a PS3 develops a fault during the warranty period, the customer can contact SCEUK, who will organise collection and supply of a refurbished unit (typically within 24-48 hours) by courier at the consumer’s convenience, free of charge. Under the terms of the warranty, customers are advised to make regular back-ups of the data they have stored on their PS3 and, in particular, to do so before submitting their console for warranty service.

10. Once the warranty period has elapsed, the customer will be charged £128 (inclusive of VAT). This figure reflects the cost of repairing a PS3 to the high standard required and includes a door-to-door courier exchange service and other general administrative costs. SCEUK does not profit from this service; in fact, it operates it at a loss in order to offer customers with OOW PS3s the best price possible.

11. Sony has invested substantially in creating state-of-the-art diagnostic and servicing facilities to support both in-warranty and OOW repairs. As regards the purported solution to the supposed “yellow light” issue adopted by commercial repairers, effecting a reflow correctly, to the required engineering standards and in a properly controlled static-safe environment requires the use of an infra-red BGA soldering station, which must be set up and programmed to run at very specific temperature profiles. Each such station costs tens of thousands of pounds. The diagnostic equipment required to test that the solder has been performed correctly costs a similar amount.

12. Consequently, even if a yellow indicator/system shutdown were triggered by a soldering issue/voiding, it would be misleading for you to suggest to viewers that the basic solder reflow process you describe in your letter to XXXXX of 7 September 2009 is necessarily a reliable procedure when performed in that way, or that it can properly be done cheaply and quickly.

13. Various commercial organisations not authorised by SCEUK provide repairs to PS3s and other consumer electronic devices. For example, [Third-party repair company] – who, you informed us, participated in the “PlayStation Repair Action Team” activity which you recently staged in Great Marlborough Street (see below) – charge customers £103.50 (inclusive of VAT) to repair and return customers’ PS3s which (in the company’s words) are affected by the “yellow light of death”. This figure is only £24.50 less than the cost to the customer of high-quality SCEUK repair, conducted using state-of-the-art equipment. In addition the consumer needs to arrange and bear the cost of getting the console to this organisation.

14. Importantly, it is clear that third party repairers will profit from any public concern that is raised about the reliability of the PS3 (as indicated by the use of language on their websites), and have an interest in criticising SCEUK’s after sales service (despite the relatively small price differential in their own service offering). The BBC will therefore doubtless wish to exercise caution before relying on anecdotal evidence, provided by them, concerning the extent or cause of these issues. The “PlayStation Repair Action Team” stunt

15. On 1 September 2009, BBC Watchdog filmed technicians from [Third-party repair company] carrying out repairs to PS3 units affected by the supposed “yellow light” issue. It was emphasised that this service was carried out free of charge, and that SCEUK does not carry out OOW servicing free of charge. For example, as is evident from stills available on the internet, the van in which the technicians worked was clearly labelled: “PlayStation Repair Action Team – SONY charge a fee – let Watchdog repair it for free” (emphasis as original).

16. I would ask you to think very seriously before including this segment in any report that is broadcast:

The premise behind this stunt (i.e., that SCEUK charge a repair fee whereas commercial repairers do not) is demonstrably false. As noted, the commercial repairers who occupied that van, and others like them, do not provide free servicing as a matter of routine. Indeed, their business model involves providing unauthorised servicing at only a minimal discount to the approved servicing provided by SCEUK. The BBC should not allow its agenda to be influenced by third party commercial interests who stand to benefit from revenue generated by repair fees.

It is standard practice for businesses in the electronics and many other consumer products sectors to provide free servicing/repairs only during the warranty period, but to charge for OOW repairs. It is therefore unfair to criticise SCEUK in this way.

The slogan on the van is in any event misleading, in that SCEUK does not charge any fee for in-warranty repairs/replacement.

Further as regards that slogan, if BBC Watchdog is indeed providing PS3 servicing at its own cost, then this is a questionable use of the licence fee, and one which may breach the BBC’s Charter. If, on the other hand, the [Third-party repair company] technicians involved in this stunt were, on this occasion, providing their services gratis, then we trust that this segment of the programme, if broadcast, will provide full details to viewers of [Third-party repair company's] usual terms, conditions and pricing, so as to permit viewers fairly to assess to whom they should turn in the event that they require an OOW repair for their PS3.

Finally, this stunt as a whole (and, in particular, the use of the acronym “PRAT”) treats with inappropriate levity an issue which may do serious damage to SCEUK and the Sony and PS3 brands. BBC’s duty

17. As a publicly-funded broadcaster, the BBC is under a duty to licence-payers to preserve its impartial editorial stance. It also has a duty of fairness towards SCEUK. Should the BBC decide to include an item on the PS3 in the 17 September edition of Watchdog, it will therefore wish to make sure that the issues you have raised in correspondence receive as accurate, fair and balanced a treatment as possible.

18. I regret to say that neither the correspondence to date, nor the “PlayStation Repair Action Team” stunt, have given me much confidence that you are treating this issue fairly. If the report is broadcast in what appears to be its current form, SCEUK will scrutinise its accuracy and will take all necessary steps to protect its reputation and that of the PS3. Unsupported and potentially misleading allegations of the sort that the BBC appears, from the correspondence to date, to be planning to make concerning the reliability of the PS3 could do significant commercial and reputational harm to Sony and its brands. This is particularly so, given the recent, highly successful launch of the new, slimmer model PS3 and the fact that the last quarter of the year is the busiest sales period for the consumer electronics industry.

Yours sincerely,

Ray Maguire,

Senior Vice President and Managing Director UK
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-tackles-bbc-over-ps3-failure-report
 

gcubed

Member
ouch, thats a pretty nasty letter... is BBC Watchdog seriously drawing conclusions from the study of 3 consoles? .... 3?
 
I hope BBC Watchdog does a good job with this report (but I don't expect them to). The YLoD is a serious problem with older PS3s, and Sony has been dragging their feet in regards to taking care of their customers who get hit by it. The only reason the issue has been ignored/downplayed so successfully is because while the problem is at an unacceptable level, it's still dwarfed by the scale of the RRoD.
 
You've gotta question why Watchdog is running this now when Sony is currently doing the biggest media push behind the PS3 to date. Its obviously just to stir up controversy for ratings, which is pretty pathetic. Theres nothing shady about Sony's practices with PS3 repair and build quality, unlike the downright shameful X360 situation.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
a Master Ninja said:
I hope BBC Watchdog does a good job with this report (but I don't expect them to). The YLoD is a serious problem with older PS3s, and Sony has been dragging their feet in regards to taking care of their customers who get hit by it. The only reason the issue has been ignored/downplayed so successfully is because while the problem is at an unacceptable level, it's still dwarfed by the scale of the RRoD.
You're going to get some backlash around here with that claim you know.
 

DCharlie

Banned
during the PS2 days where there were a number of DOA launch units there was an internal memo that was leaked to watchdog from within Sony saying that no one should talk to the press about the use of certain components etc.

then again, watchdog had a kid on complaining that Sega promised that he could play with upto X billion players and that should have meant that he only had to buy ONE dreamcast with which to play online on any game with his friend in Germany

so... you know.

I'd like to say i live in fear of my PS3 dying but it would be a lie - i still have several PS2s lying around, but it would be a pisser to lose what is the best PS3 there is going. (SACD, PS2 full BC, card slots etc)

I am very tempted to go pick up some of the 2nd hand 20gigers.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
So at least from that we have an indication of the extent of the YLOD problem based on the UK sample of 2.5 million units - 'fewer than one half of one per cent'.
 

Zophar

Member
I got the YLOD a little over a week ago, but thankfully my console is coming back from repairs today. I was out of warranty so I had to pay someone else to repair it, which turned out to be a problem with the power supply.

That said I still don't think it's a major problem like the RROD and I agree with Sony that it's not just one single hardware flaw causing it. I still think the hardware is incredibly stable.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
wtf? I expect better from BBC. This is sensationalist garbage.



Do they figure that since this is 'only about gaming', it's okay to chuck out journalistic integrity?
 
a Master Ninja said:
I hope BBC Watchdog does a good job with this report (but I don't expect them to).

Guaranteed.


This is the guy who's doing the Watchdog segment:

IainLee460.jpg


"Iain Lee is employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft."

You have to feel sorry for everyone that plumped for the PS3 over the 360. Not the Sony diehards that would buy a polished poo if it had the Sony logo on. No, I’m talking about those poor souls who were stood in Comets humming and hawing over which console to buy and plumped for the shiny black plastic thing that had a familiar name.
 
I got the PS3 RLOD a week ago from my launch unit and was unable to back up my data. Now all my save data is fucking gone because they sent me back a different console. GJ to BBC for this.

The 360 RRoD fiasco pissed me off to no end, but at least I didn't lose any of my save game data.
 
a Master Ninja said:
I hope BBC Watchdog does a good job with this report (but I don't expect them to). The YLoD is a serious problem with older PS3s, and Sony has been dragging their feet in regards to taking care of their customers who get hit by it. The only reason the issue has been ignored/downplayed so successfully is because while the problem is at an unacceptable level, it's still dwarfed by the scale of the RRoD.


Nice FUD. I know more than 20 people with PS3s and none of them has this problem.

And from what we've seen on the internet this bullshit is nothing but hyperbole.
 
SecretBonusPoint said:
You've gotta question why Watchdog is running this now when Sony is currently doing the biggest media push behind the PS3 to date
Because the new series only started last week?


but yeah, watchdog, pretty shitty
 

Chrange

Banned
Mama Robotnik said:
Its certainly a more-thought out response than "things break" isn't it?

Not as well thought out as a warranty extension though. Hopefully this will help push them into extending it, at least for the YLoD.
 

gcubed

Member
Wax Free Vanilla said:
Guaranteed.


This is the guy who's doing the Watchdog segment:

IainLee460.jpg


"Iain Lee is employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft."

lol seriously? thats fucking fantastic :lol
 

panda21

Member
i dont understand why people think they are entitled to an out of warranty repair for free? i mean it would be nice and everything but you aren't entitled to it. even with the 360 it makes no sense, its just that microsoft have to if they actually want anyone to buy a 360.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
SecretBonusPoint said:
You've gotta question why Watchdog is running this now when Sony is currently doing the biggest media push behind the PS3 to date. Its obviously just to stir up controversy for ratings, which is pretty pathetic.
Wax Free Vanilla said:
"Iain Lee is employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft."

Microsoft money-hats all round.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Afrikan said:
I got the impression Sony is threatening Law suits in them paragraphs.

Implying them for sure, because the BBC has a lot of money they can be divested of if they continue this drivel.
 

Firewire

Banned
"fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated"

Reading this part and then the part where they tested only 3 units out of 2.5 million in the UK pretty much makes this watchdog report bogus.
 

Tannhauser

Neo Member
Several members @ AVForums are involved in this.

It is about the YLOD. Watchdog rang me about 3 weeks ago, I was told not to say anything, but hey Anne Robinson has let the cat out of the bag.
My 60 gb died about a month ago, not going to pay Sony £145, think it is absolutely disgusting that a product costing £425 should last just over 2 years. I personally will not buy another Sony product (I have spent thousands on Sony stuff over the years). Anyway I rang the supplier (amazon) quoted SOGA etc. and managed to get 15 % back, this paid for a heat gun and thermal compound which I used to fix it, thank god for these forums. Still working by the way, touch wood!

Email that was sent to everyone from BBC before filming.

Hello there
Thank you so much for agreeing to come along to our event on Tuesday 1st September. Here I'll outline the key information you'll need to make sure the day runs smoothly. I'm really looking forward to seeing you and I hope you enjoy the experience.
Before I move onto the formalities, I have one final request. Please could you email me a picture of your playstation set up in the place where you had it before it failed. We want to show a series of setups in our programme, and may show yours. Thanks in advance.

Tuesday 1st September

Confidentiality
I know we will have already said this, but this is just a reminder that it may hamper our plans if word gets out what we're up to. This could cause many wasted trips for the dozens of people coming, and jeopardise our filming day at considerable cost to the BBC. Please be discrete about this filming event, and only tell who you have to.

Rendezvous
Please rendezvous at our black van in the street on the opposite side of the road to 10 Great Malborough Street, London at 1445 for 1500 on Tuesday 1st September. Please make yourself known to Suneil. Please do not go to the SONY building itself. Great Marlborough Street is a short walk from Oxford Circus underground station. You could find directions to the location using googlemaps or another mapping service. We should finish sometime around 1730. We're not going to hold you hostage, so you're free to come and go as you please, but it would be great to have you there during the course of the repairs, and we'd like to see your reaction when/if we manage to get your machine working again.

The plan
As you will already be aware, we are going to attempt to repair your faulty PS3, along with 9 other consoles. We're doing this repair outside the Sony building, in the back of our van. The technicians are from a company which specialises in playstation 3 repairs, but as I will have already pointed out to you, there is a) no guarantee that they'll be able to repair your console, b) there is a risk that the machine could be damaged further, c) and there is no guarantee the console will continue to work for long after the repair. Since we're at this point, and having discussed this with you, we are assuming that you consent to this repair, and have considered the risks. The repair company is a small business, who are not approved by Sony. We cannot guarantee their work in any way.
The company which repairs the consoles say they have a 95% success rate with the Yellow Light of Death Fault. They will attempt to repair your console by disassembling it, (breaking the warranty seal), cleaning the back of the fan, cleaning the tops of the CPU and graphics processor chip, then they will heat your motherboard in a special solder reflow oven. This makes the solder joints melt again, and hopefully re-establish the broken connection(s) between the processor(s) and the circuit board. They then reassemble the console, and in the case of the 60GB model, the company will provide you with a USB attachment, which provides additional cooling to your machine. I'm told this attachment isn't suitable for the 40GB model.
For your information, we understand that customers who call Sony are told that they will still accept your machine under the refurbishment exchange programme, even if the warranty seal is broken and a repair has been attempted. In the event that the repair is unsuccessful, I'm afraid there will be nothing more we can do, since the problem with your console may not be a solder joint issue, and could perhaps be something more serious.
Obviously we'll be filming the whole event, which will be edited and broadcast on BBC1, and shown online also. By attending the event, you give us your consent to film you, interview you, and show that footage on any of the BBC's services, now, or in the future.

Facilities
Unfortunately, the nature of this event, and the short time we've had to plan it, means that we are not providing any shelter, refreshments, or toilet facilities. We are in a central London street, effectively working out of the back of a van. This is therefore not an elaborate filming shoot/location, and so be sure to come prepared, both for the weather, and for refreshments/snacks etc. Similarly, the street has no special facilities for people with limited mobility. There will be obviously be local businesses a short walk away from the location.

Travel and expenses
We're sorry to say that because we're shouldering the expense of attempting to repair your playstation 3, we can't stretch to covering the cost of your travel or other expenses. I hope we've already told you this prior you agreeing to take part, and you have chosen to come in the full knowledge of this. If this isn't the case, please let me know asap.

Commitment
We will only be able to attempt to repair a limited number of playstations during the afternoon, and therefore we are asking you to commit to come along. If you change your mind, you will be depriving someone else of the chance of a repair. We hope that you are now making a commitment to come on the day.

Limited Numbers
We have agreed with the local council, a limit on the numbers of people attending this event, to prevent an obstruction in the street. We will have discussed with you individually how many people you are bringing. Our team will have details of these numbers, and may have to turn away any additional people to keep numbers within the limit agreed with the council. While this event is being held in a public place, we are not promoting it, it's by invitation only, and we do not want to draw a crowd. For that reason, please don't ask anyone else to come along, or we could risk being asked to leave by the police or the council.

Sony
We haven't told Sony we're coming, and we'd like it to be a surprise. At the same time though, we do not intend to storm sony, or interfere with their operations! We intend to keep our event restricted to the area of our van. We also don't want to cause a disturbance to anyone, so we hope not to make too much noise.

Safety
We have told the council that we will not block the pavement, and we'll be asking you to queue up with your playstations alongside our vehicles. We have told the council that we'll queue you 2x2, and our staff will help you form that queue and they will keep the pavement clear. Please help us by following our instructions, both for your safety, and to prevent an obstruction of the pavement. Please be aware that this is a central London location, and so take all the obvious precautions when crossing the road, with valuables, and when dealing with strangers. Obviously, your PS3 makes you an attractive target for thieves, so you may want to carry the machine in another bag.

When is the programme likely to be broadcast?
The programme is due to be broadcast in mid to late September, when Watchdog returns. Schedules and running orders change so much, that it's impossible at this point to give you an exact transmission date. We will try to keep you informed, but to avoid missing the programme, make sure you catch every episode in September. If you do happen to miss the programme, Watchdog will be available on the BBC Iplayer for 7 days after broadcast, and will also be available on our own website for the length of the series at bbc.co.uk/watchdog. Unfortunately, we will not be able to provide a copy of the programme.

Don't forget
Don't forget to bring your playstation! In its box if possible, with your name written on the box. Please also bring the leads and controllers that came with the machine, so that we can test it after the repair. Check the weather forecast the day before you travel, to ensure you are appropriately dressed, as there will be no shelter provided at the location.

Thanks again for helping us with this programme, and we hope that you'll enjoy the day, and also go home with a working playstation.
 
Also
A spokesperson for the BBC told GamesIndustry.biz that "Watchdog is investigating this matter, but the programme makers will not comment on stories before transmission as it can jeopardise the investigation".

Liars, Watchdog is prerecorded, it won't jeopardise any "investigation", not that this seems to be able to be called one.
 

DCharlie

Banned
i will be seriously VERY VERY surprised if there is any bias coming from Ian Lee.

He's a straight up games lover, no bais - so i'd find it very hard to believe that this is "politically" motivated.
 

imtehman

Banned
SecretBonusPoint said:
You've gotta question why Watchdog is running this now when Sony is currently doing the biggest media push behind the PS3 to date. Its obviously just to stir up controversy for ratings, which is pretty pathetic. Theres nothing shady about Sony's practices with PS3 repair and build quality, unlike the downright shameful X360 situation.

This is the problem with some people. Watchdogs are doing things for the BENEFIT OF CONSUMERS, but some want to make this into a console war thing.

I mean really, who teh fuck is complaining about the BBC trying to get Sony to fix people systems that have the YLOD?

Oh i know, fanboys
 

womfalcs3

Banned
Chrange said:
Not as well thought out as a warranty extension though. Hopefully this will help push them into extending it, at least for the YLoD.

Sony would probably extend the warranty too if the PS3's failure rate was anywhere near 30% or more, and were threatened with litigation because of it.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Wax Free Vanilla said:
Guaranteed.


This is the guy who's doing the Watchdog segment:

IainLee460.jpg


"Iain Lee is employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft."


WHOA!
 

seanoff

Member
WOW, that is a direct threat from Sony. it's not even lightly disguised.

it's in high range corp speak, but the thrust is "air the program at your peril".
 
womfalcs3 said:
Sony would probably extend the warranty too if the PS3's failure rate was anywhere near 30% or more, and were threatened with litigation because of it.

It's too bad Sony wasn't smart enough to make a poorly engineered system.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
God you people can't possibly that stupid. You really think the BBC are in Microsoft's pocket?! fuck me.
 

itxaka

Defeatist
SecretBonusPoint said:
You've gotta question why Watchdog is running this now when Sony is currently doing the biggest media push behind the PS3 to date. Its obviously just to stir up controversy for ratings, which is pretty pathetic. Theres nothing shady about Sony's practices with PS3 repair and build quality, unlike the downright shameful X360 situation.


Defensive much eh?

* conspiracy - Check
* mentioning the 360 - Check

Bonus!

* mentioning 360 hardware failures - Check

Calm down, Sony as showed on the report, knows how to defend itself.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
D4Danger said:
It's not WHOA. It's nothing.

God you people can't possibly that stupid. You really think the BBC are in Microsoft's pocket. fuck me.

Isn't that what the post alludes to?
 
Fucking hell...
I really would love to know where these asshats were when there were red rings all over the place.
The percentages on this are just ridiculous for it to be blown into something like this.

I am waiting to see two Windows 7 commercials and a big *Sponsored by Microsoft* at the end...
 

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Wax Free Vanilla said:
Guaranteed.


This is the guy who's doing the Watchdog segment:

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"Iain Lee is employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft."

:lol

if anything they should get on that 360 ass.

on side note, guy looks creepy.
 
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