Free higher education is like putting a bandaid on a festering wound. There are systemic problems in play with these low SES, high proportion minority neighborhoods that free college isn't going to help.
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"Be Bold, Change the System" new Sanders ad.
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And_Gignac
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What an amazing ad.
The Cult of Clinton will remain upset and angered though, while trying to twist the image of Sanders, who is still more liked and appreciated by the general voter than Hillary is.
The Cult of Clinton will remain upset and angered though, while trying to twist the image of Sanders, who is still more liked and appreciated by the general voter than Hillary is.
Already Torn
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It wouldn't be the first time he's turned coat, and he still has a rabid fan base. As you say, the most important thing is defeating Donald Trump. If Sanders fans didn't turn on him when he switched his tune from "superdelegates are undemocratic" to "I need superdelegates to win, they should all switch to me for no reason other than the fact that I need to win", why would they turn on him when he supports Hillary as a way to defeat Trump?
It's also worth noting that Sanders more frequently than not attacks Hillary than Trump nowadays, and when he does mention Trump it's in relation to how he needs to beat Hillary.
Not buying it pal.
The man featured in the ad committed homicide before he got out of high school. Pursuit of higher education was a path out of a sentence to life in prison. The abuse that he suffered as a teenager and the violence around him pushed him into a position where he felt the need to kill another human being. Higher education is not even on people's minds when they're just struggling to live every single day.
Transistor
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Cult of Clinton?
Wafflecakes
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The irony is strong.
Damn shame that elections are decided by votes and not popularity polls, isn't it?
Already Torn
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The use of the word "Cult" is too on the nose and descriptive of Sanders's fanbase for me to take it seriously. I think it's an ironic post.
Jon Carter
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I don't think the ad is saying or suggesting that free higher education will get rid of poverty and violence. Community colleges didn't do that either but I'm sure glad they're there.
The Faceless Master
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Free College for the urban youth that can't get into college because their k-12 is shit.
this dude is tone deaf as a mofo.
this dude is tone deaf as a mofo.
And_Gignac
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Whats the irony? It is well known that many Sanders supporters are into the cult of his personality. So are some Clinton supporters who antagonize anything coming from Bernie in hilarious ways.
excelsiorlef
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People are watching the ads man, just because they aren't gushing over them like you are doesn't mean they're not paying attention.
In response to what I bolded: What? That's exactly what this is. The entire thing is an appeal to sentimentality. It's someone's unique life story turned into a general cry for "Free College" as if that's the true solution, and as if it's a viable plan at this stage, free college isn't going to solve racial admissions bias, racial bias in hiring, racial bias in day to day life. You can't just fix everything by making it free. The end result of the story was: And this is why we need free college. The tag line is literally Be Bold Be the Change, it's exactly a broad "rise up" type thing. This ad was sentimental story, poverty porn shots, and Sanders coming in with FREE COLLEGE and then a populist slogan.
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That's a huge leap, of course it is, but you can't just go "Make it Free", the ad says nothing beyond make it free!
John Kowalski
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be the problems you want to see in the world
Wafflecakes
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...or they could, you know, genuinely not like the shameful and pathetic campaign that Bernie is currently running?
At the very least, Sanders is very rabbid and outraged about this stuff on his speeches, pre New York in case anybody wants to be a smart ass and go"everything is corrupt"
I've said what you're describing from Clinton, and the difference to me is how the message is appropriated. Her meeting with the mother of a shot by police or criminals and explaining to her how important gun violence is to her is great, for the woman, and the community at large. And frankly, her gun policies are something I like a lot more from Clinton, especially in America's current climate of mass shootings. My problem comes when the Clinton campaign focuses the story on the victim's mother denouncing Bernie for being pro guns and that shame on him for wanting more blood on the street in tandem with the attack that Vermont was responsible for most of the guns that came in at New York, when it was a complete misrepresentation of facts since it's one of the lowest states that has illegal guns exported to New York. It's dirty politics and that's where I draw issue on how the message and pain from the victim is being used instead of a positive approach like this one where it's not about "Clinton yada yada"
excelsiorlef
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Wafflecakes
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The most ironic part is that if a congressman passed a law which steered a government contract to their own company Bernie would be wailing and crying about corruption.
...but a campaign adviser steering cash to his own private company? That is all good in Bernie's eyes apparently.
Byakuya769
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That was a great ad.
On second thought, free higher education had barely any nexus to the problems that led the ad's star down a terrible path. Education is great. But those communities need jobs and better family centered services that are focused on the grade schools through high schools.
On second thought, free higher education had barely any nexus to the problems that led the ad's star down a terrible path. Education is great. But those communities need jobs and better family centered services that are focused on the grade schools through high schools.
Frozenprince
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It's a pretty good ad.
If he had played this like, 3 months ago when he still had a punchers chance. Maybe.
But it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too late to be playing ads now. All he's doing is pissing away more money.
But still, to the point, it's a really good ad. I liked it.
If he had played this like, 3 months ago when he still had a punchers chance. Maybe.
But it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too late to be playing ads now. All he's doing is pissing away more money.
But still, to the point, it's a really good ad. I liked it.
There's significantly fewer mental gymnastics being done on one side...
Yeah, making it too 18 is an achievement in itself sometimes
excelsiorlef
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Wanna know what the ad with the mothers who lost kids to gun and police violence showed? None of what you are saying, no reference to Sanders, so to claim that was her focus, is laughable. Know what the ad featuring the daughter of the Sandy Hook principal featured? Nothing you claim was her focus. No reference to Sanders
You know what was in the ads though? Clinton meeting with them directly, talking to them. Meeting with people, being amongst the people
You know what Sanders ads show? Rallies, rallies,rallies,rallies. I get it though he's too busy running for president to meet with people directly very much.
But man of the people right?
First, take your example. You think that as a presidential candidate he has a ton of shortcomings especially when his opponent is a lot more qualified. And you're willing to argue for that everytime and put the time and effort. We don't share the same opinion but we discuss it in a respectful manner that sparks conversation and sharing viewpoints.
People who comment just on the name of the ad without the context of what the ad is with "everyone else is corrupt" or go to bed you senile grandpa" are just shitposting, not reading the op and being plain rude to any supporter of his. Since this is a gaming forum, imagine Microsoft has a slogan like that and everyone starts shitting on it with red ring of death jokes or Microsoft money hats and steals our games. People would get banned for stifling conversation and being asshats about it.
As for the ad, I may have not been clear, but there's a difference in the typical showing hard working Americans in different labor like agriculture and whatever and saying "this is the America I believe for, vote for me".
This is an ad that appeals to sentimentality no question about it. The difference I'm trying to make is that it's not an empty shell of sentimental promise like the usual cartoony ads of the type I described above. He ties it to his education platform as a way of empowering people to aspire for the education they deserve.
And as for the idea of college doesn't help people who are stuck with shit public primary education due to badly administered and left aside neighborhood that don't recieve any funding are right in a way that it's not gonna be a short term tool for that stuff (that's why he's for police reforms and marijuana reforms), but they will end up helping long term. From the few hardworking students that have the support from their family, interest in education and the brains for it be able to get a good education and provide a better living standard for his or her family to the macro aspect of getting rid of student debt that halts the economy and affects lower wage jobs more and by building a stronger service economy where everyone should benefit. (With the rest of his other programs like health reforms)
I haven't seen the ad about the woman (I'm embarrassed I can't remember the name), but it was part of the media spin of the conversation that her campaign and staffers used to focus on when it came to interviews in major media channels. The denouncement was played a lot, maybe I saw it more since I follow Bernie stuff but at the very least was there and was noticeable. And I take issue with that, and think it's appropriating the grief to discredit your opponent in tandem with false information like the Vermont stuff (which she was even called out by the moderators in the debate).
http://youtu.be/7QEy0mxfFaM
This is my favourite Bernie ad, and it uses sentimentality in a similar way of this ad. One could argue that this is using veterans and their struggle to help his campaign, but is focused entirely on his judgement and his character when it comes to his foreign affair policies like limiting the help to Israel and calling out Saudi Arabia.
And I get to sit back as a registered independent and watch members with Bernie and Hilary avatars argue over which supporters are more cult like lol.
But hey, the ad was good.
WhateverItTakes
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As a great man once said: "I'm using war as a business, to end war as a business"
But seriously it's gotta be done that way. Change usually only can happen by a difficult route, in this case winning by system that isn't necessarily working towards your interests.
Vicetrailia
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Free college won't fix his K-12 life though. There were so many problems that is rare to end up on the right track at least by the time he went to prison. Great story nontheless. Education gave him the tools for a better life, hence free college I suppose.
excelsiorlef
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Btw her claim, and it is factual, was that Vermont has the largest per capita import of guns into New York, which is factual, they just don't amount to a large number because Vermont is small. For example more guns come from Vermont than California.
Per capita btw I'd argue is a pretty good measure of gun laws and effects.
TheChocolateWar
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Agreed. There are better methods of educational reform than simply throwing tax money at college graduates who may an improper cost/benefit analysis. We need to fix K-12 and target the underlying problems that give rise to the socio-economic gap. Encouraging a bunch of people to go to free low-tier schools is only going to result in more under-employed, oversaturated job markets.
excelsiorlef
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Totally.
He also put no cap on consultant commissions
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html
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