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Being an Xbox fan in 2025

My notifications started blowing up, and wouldn't you know I find out I have an admirer. You don't have to be shy demigod demigod

Edit: I received three more after posting this. ❤️

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Bernkastel said:
I just want to ask you one question. You played Final Fantasy XI (or did you play Phantasy Star Universe?) on Xbox 360. Back then both Final Fantasy XI and Phantasy Star Universe did not force you to be a Xbox Live member. Do you support Microsoft's modern console forcing you to pay 10$ to play online in addition to the subscription for Final Fantasy XIV? Only one platform requires you to pay to play online in addition the subscription price for Final Fantasy XIV.
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Huh, I thought they got rid of that requirement for xbox live gold.
Bernkastel said:
Wouldn't that mean you are essentially supporting the corporation who destroyed what you loved?
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I wouldn't waste my time with that alt.
 
ReasonBeing said:
My notifications started blowing up, and wouldn't you know I find out I have an admirer. You don't have to be shy demigod demigod

Edit: I received three more after posting this. ❤️

Edit Edit: another two
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demigod demigod is essentially a bot.

Source Code:
>If [User post] = about Xbox
Then, Click **Laugh Emoji**;

>If [User post] = bad things about daddy Jim Ryan or Playstation
Then, Click **Triggered Emoji**;
OR Click ***Empathy Emoji**;

>If [User post] = Anything GamePass Related
Then, Go Full Retard;
 
ReasonBeing said:
Again with the 'No True Scotsman', I promise you that there are very good reasons why one shouldn't use this line of argument. Your premise is based entirely on assertion rather than data or evidence.

You aren't some arbiter of Halo fandom that gets to decide what specific beliefs 'Real Halo Fans" must adhere to.

If I said 'Do you like the movie Terminator? Well you aren't a real Terminator fan if you watch CBS, seeing as they own the IP and produced that last sorry excuse of a Terminator film,' you would rightfully point out that I sound like an idiot. Now recognize you are doing the same thing.

Your second argument is only relevant if someone was stuck using a singular platform. There are a myriad of reasons why someone would prefer to play on any particular platform, and if they want to play another platforms exclusive, they can simple play that exclusive on the other system. And to be clear, no one cares where you invest your money.

Like bro, it's ok that you don't like Xbox, but this crusade to convince others that they should feel obligated to do the same is just weird.

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Buddy look outside GAF. 90% of old school Halo fan feel like that.
 
Clintizzle said:
demigod demigod is essentially a bot.

Source Code:
>If [User post] = about Xbox
Then, Click **Laugh Emoji**;

>If [User post] = bad things about daddy Jim Ryan or Playstation
Then, Click **Triggered Emoji**;
OR Click ***Empathy Emoji**;

>If [User post] = Anything GamePass Related
Then, Go Full Retard;
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Pretty accurate. The mods don't seem to care about emote spamming.
 
How does it work when you are a "fan" as opposed to a gamer and consumer? Is the difference that you want to play but you "root" (for lack of better word) on a specific hardware manufacturer emotionally?
 
WhamBamThankYouMaam said:
How does it work when you are a "fan" as opposed to a gamer and consumer? Is the difference that you want to play but you "root" (for lack of better word) on a specific hardware manufacturer emotionally?
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Gamers/Consumers:
  • Their primary focus is the experience - playing games, enjoying software, or using hardware that works best for their needs.
  • Decisions are often practical: performance, price, compatibility, and features.
  • Emotional attachment to brands is secondary; they may switch brands if something else offers better value or experience.
Fans:
  • Their focus shifts from pure functionality to emotional loyalty.
  • They may root for a hardware brand or game studio, defend it online, collect merchandise, or follow company announcements closely - even if they don't always directly benefit.
  • They may forgive flaws in products or overlook better alternatives because of a psychological or identity-based attachment to the brand.

And then there are also fanboys and console warriors, but that's not the topic here.
 
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Emedan said:
I quite enjoyed Infinites campaign - and you're right the gameplay was great.
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The story was shit. Abrupt ending. And 343i scrapped everything about the story and started working on the new game instead of giving us an expansion closing the Installation 07 story.
 
Bernkastel said:
The story was shit. Abrupt ending. And 343i scrapped everything about the story and started working on the new game instead of giving us an expansion closing the Installation 07 story.
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I agree there, let's say there were potential. I thought the story would keep going on and we'd get additional biomes unlocking more and more of the ring. But yeah they fucked up.
 
All I can say is that be a fan of games (not franchises!), not consoles/platforms. If one platform dies, just go where the games you are interested in go.
 
WhamBamThankYouMaam said:
How does it work when you are a "fan" as opposed to a gamer and consumer? Is the difference that you want to play but you "root" (for lack of better word) on a specific hardware manufacturer emotionally?
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There's a difference between a fan and a fanboy. It's not a sharp distinction, more of a continuum - we can all get a little fanboy sometimes - but they seem pretty distinguishable to me.

A fan is just an admirer of something. Although he subjectively likes/loves the ____ (band, writer, developer, etc.), he still retains most of his objectivity. He can still acknowledge the deficits of his own choice, the advantages of other choices, and in general be fair in his overall assessment.

A fanboy, though, is prone to reactive emotionally-driven thinking about his console (or band/writer/dev, whatever), along with a lot of cognitive distortions and biases. He loses objectivity. He can't fairly assess the shortcomings of his own choice or admit the advantages of someone else's choice. He engages in a lot of mental gymnastics to maintain that his choice is the better/superior one. He gets into a lot of arguments with people about it. He takes things too seriously.

So I think there's a distinction to be made between "fan" and "fanboy."
 
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Cakeboxer said:
Gamers/Consumers:
  • Their primary focus is the experience - playing games, enjoying software, or using hardware that works best for their needs.
  • Decisions are often practical: performance, price, compatibility, and features.
  • Emotional attachment to brands is secondary; they may switch brands if something else offers better value or experience.
Fans:
  • Their focus shifts from pure functionality to emotional loyalty.
  • They may root for a hardware brand or game studio, defend it online, collect merchandise, or follow company announcements closely - even if they don't always directly benefit.
  • They may forgive flaws in products or overlook better alternatives because of a psychological or identity-based attachment to the brand.

And then there are also fanboys and console warriors, but that's not the topic here.
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I think you are fundamentally wrong with this as in one thing leads to the other. There are 30 million Xbox Series and even more with One users that at some point in some generation focused in the experience, price, performance or, more importantly, friends to decide their platform. They then invest in machines and a catalog of games. Games that have attached memories, joys and feelings in general. And while that is important as important or more is that they are locked into a ecosystem to keep those games or be forced to purchase them again (if even possible). So they develop, as any customer of any device, a brand loyalty and support their efforts, root for they success and aggressively argue against its downfall. It's not something out of pure tribalism but have objective practical interests that you so often disregard with a "just buy a PC, bro" while having yourself a massive Steam library.

Back then when cartridges changed compatibility from gen to gen your past catalog meant nothing but nowadays the situation is very different and we're talking here of about 5X the install base of the Steam Deck to whom the floor is disappearing under their feet. Maybe that critical mass of core customers is what will save Xbox in the end even thought the leadership keeps shitting the bed. But if not there will be tens of millions of harmed in more ways than one.

In short. Cringe and hostile console/PC warring is wrong, but friendly banter and humoristic warring is fun and otherwise humanly understandable.
 
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Radical_3d said:
I think you are fundamentally wrong with this as in one thing leads to the other. There are 30 million Xbox Series and even more with One users that at some point in some generation focused in the experience, price, performance or, more importantly, friends to decide its platform. They then invest in machines and a catalog of games. Games that have attached memories, joys and feelings in general. And while that is important as important or more is that they are locked into a ecosystem to keep those games or be forced to purchase them again (if even possible). So they develop, as any customer of any device, a brand loyalty and support their efforts, root for they success and aggressively argue against its downfall. It's not something out of pure tribalism but have objective practical interests that you so often disregard with a "just buy a PC, bro" while having yourself a massive Steam library.

Back then when cartridges changed compatibility from gen to gen your past catalog meant nothing but nowadays the situation is very different and we're talking here of about 3X the install base of the Steam Deck to whom the floor is disappearing under their feet. Maybe that critical mass of core customers is what will save Xbox in the end even thought the leadership keeps shitting the bed. But if not there will be tens of millions of harmed in more ways than one.

In short. Cringe and hostile console/PC warring is wrong, but friendly banter and humoristic warring is fun and otherwise humanly understandable.
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They should hang on to their existing hardware then.
 
Radical_3d said:
I think you are fundamentally wrong with this as in one thing leads to the other. There are 30 million Xbox Series and even more with One users that at some point in some generation focused in the experience, price, performance or, more importantly, friends to decide their platform. They then invest in machines and a catalog of games. Games that have attached memories, joys and feelings in general. And while that is important as important or more is that they are locked into a ecosystem to keep those games or be forced to purchase them again (if even possible). So they develop, as any customer of any device, a brand loyalty and support their efforts, root for they success and aggressively argue against its downfall. It's not something out of pure tribalism but have objective practical interests that you so often disregard with a "just buy a PC, bro" while having yourself a massive Steam library.

Back then when cartridges changed compatibility from gen to gen your past catalog meant nothing but nowadays the situation is very different and we're talking here of about 5X the install base of the Steam Deck to whom the floor is disappearing under their feet. Maybe that critical mass of core customers is what will save Xbox in the end even thought the leadership keeps shitting the bed. But if not there will be tens of millions of harmed in more ways than one.

In short. Cringe and hostile console/PC warring is wrong, but friendly banter and humoristic warring is fun and otherwise humanly understandable.
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I think you're overestimating the value of game libraries - especially since many casual players only have one or two go-to titles, yet they make up the majority of the market. A lot of people simply don't care about their old games anymore, and even if they do, those games don't cost much on other platforms. Most major titles have crossplay nowadays, so playing with friends isn't really a deciding factor anymore either.

I've left behind a large Xbox and PlayStation library, and I honestly don't care at all. I could just as easily leave Steam behind, too. All that digital stuff is just smoke and mirrors anyway - you don't truly own anything anymore.
Maybe I'm just wired differently, but when it comes to products, I don't feel any sense of loyalty. Every product has to prove itself all over again when I'm thinking about buying something new.
 
diffusionx said:
Even Phil has said that this is much more difficult than it was in the 00s because of digital libraries. If I jumped into Xbox I would lose all my PS5 games. I'm not doing it. Nobody is doing it.
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Phil has been talking about losing the worst generation with digital libraries for a long time, and he was right. But now because of what he's been saying for the past 18 months, despite having a digital Xbox library of hundreds of games, I've jumped ship.

It wasn't that PlayStation did anything to convince me to buy games there. It's that Xbox convinced me they're not in for the longhaul, which means preserving that digital library isn't a major factor anyway, so it's time to jump.
 
Gryllis said:
Phil has been talking about losing the worst generation with digital libraries for a long time, and he was right. But now because of what he's been saying for the past 18 months, despite having a digital Xbox library of hundreds of games, I've jumped ship.

It wasn't that PlayStation did anything to convince me to buy games there. It's that Xbox convinced me they're not in for the longhaul, which means preserving that digital library isn't a major factor anyway, so it's time to jump.
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The key point here is dissatisfaction. Just releasing a new Xbox early isn't going to make anyone who is happy with PlayStation change their platform. They have to be actually dissatisfied and think that Xbox would give them a better experience, and I don't see a single person coming to that conclusion.
 
Still going to game on Xbox, my friends and game collection are there and it's still the best controller. That said, if PS6 and the next Xbox are radically different in power, I may think twice. I thought the Sony/AMD tech talk was pretty cool.
 
You have to realize that most people don't obsess on gaming forums, and while I'm sure they do notice the price increases (along with just about every other thing getting more expensive) probably don't even know all the drama that's going on. and thus don't care.
Just my opinion though.........
 
Xbox died when the corpos took over at the end of the x360 era, when they realize there where a lot of money on the table.

This sad reality was unavoidable. I defended Xbox till the end, but I just jumped ship after the XOne. I dont know why it took that much time to people to realize it was over.
 
Giallo Corsa said:
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As for MS/Xbox... everything so far has been a self inflicted wound, nothing more, nothing less and they only have themselves to blame 'cause it's sure as hell not the haters'® fault.
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Every time I think they can't make things worse, MS find another way to fuck things up. The dick punch sequence in the video sums it up nicely. It's surreal to think of how Xbox went from the 360 to this state of affairs. Things will never change either because MS absolutely refuses to hire competent leadership for Xbox.
 
Sybrix said:
Intresting how the E3 2013 Xbox show killed the brand and still hasn't recovered today.

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That was a major misstep, but it's not the sole cause of Xbox's failure.

Sony and Nintendo also made several missteps (such as the PS3 and Wii U), but they later recovered with the right decisions.

It's unfair to place all the blame on Don Mattrick, but it should also be placed on those who came after.
 
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