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Beliefs you hold despite knowing they are bad?
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teruterubozu
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God/alien-visitations/ghosts might exist.
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Vilix
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I don't consider people being accountable for their actions a bad thing. So...
My dad taught me you can make plenty of good deals with crack heads who are desperate for cash.
I don't know what you his are talking about with the platonic love thing. I am a guy who could do well strapping a dick sling to my leg to hide the boners i get so often. But there are plenty of female friends i have who feel like sisters to me, that i would do virtually anything for, and i don't particularly want to have sex with them. It's not that i am somehow against the idea, but it's not usually in my head. Like, i wouldn't think about it unless someone brought it up.
That was different when i was a teenager, when i wanted to be inside everything with a vagina. But i imagine that's normal.
I still think about sex pretty often but it is a general, indeterminate sex. And i enjoy the consequences of those thoughts with my wife.
I think it's more likely for me to imagine people i don't know well more than it is people i do.
God Hitchens was a fucking asshole
Debatable. It's 50/50.
Wafflecakes
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That people who are super into indie/classic rock only do so because they can't stand liking anything that is popular with the general public.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
It's debatable probably for bored 20-30 something guys with nothing better to do at desk jobs in 1st world nations, ha... heh.
For the rest of the world, Internet is pretty much an ongoing revolution with no ceiling in sight yet. It's pretty much impossible to separate it from all modern telecommunications technology and the impact of such.
NinjaBoiX
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What is "class rock"?
most "classic rock" tends to have lifetime sales that far outstrip anything released nowadays so this is a faulty statement right from the get-go.
Wafflecakes
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typo
I am referring specifically to the "all modern music sucks" crowd.
I don't think you quite get the point of this thread.
NinjaBoiX
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So his post is spot on then? Reread the OP.
I like to think my cats share some basic emotions with people. As a pet owner it's easier to form a connection with an animal when you believe it is not simply acting out of self-preservation or instinct... I tend to think that emotion and some forms of affectionate behavior are not uniquely human. Like, i want to believe my cat enjoys my company when she curls up on my lap or over my shoulder when I'm reading, and that she's not just looking for a warm place to sleep.
Think the deep web is an urban legend? Or does the bright side of the Internet counterbalances it?
To preface this: this is by no means self-deprecating post or a cry for attention, I'm a pretty well adjusted guy with a lot of good friends and a loving family.
I hold an unflinching belief that strangers do not like me. Vague acquaintances are only being formal or 'nice' towards me. That people who do not know me would rather I didn't bother them. If a stranger talks to me, I will be charming and friendly but it's a ruse, made all the more apparent when I awkwardly stumble over words and generally act closed off. To someone who isn't a friend I won't be forthcoming: I won't instigate an opportunity to meet again or exchange contact details. If someone does want to get to know me and genuinely be my friend they'll either have to put in a lot of effort, or hope serendipity will bring us together again. Otherwise, for each connection lost, I will simply assume they were another person that didn't much care for me.
And I know this is wrong because I want people to like me. Like everyone else, I am a social creature that wants to fit in. I see extroverts and I wish I could be like them. Some of my best friends are extroverts and I am envious of their ability to infect others with their enthusiasm and energy. I want to be popular I guess. I think it's a trust/self-esteem thing in the end. I like who I am but I wish I could be better.
I hold an unflinching belief that strangers do not like me. Vague acquaintances are only being formal or 'nice' towards me. That people who do not know me would rather I didn't bother them. If a stranger talks to me, I will be charming and friendly but it's a ruse, made all the more apparent when I awkwardly stumble over words and generally act closed off. To someone who isn't a friend I won't be forthcoming: I won't instigate an opportunity to meet again or exchange contact details. If someone does want to get to know me and genuinely be my friend they'll either have to put in a lot of effort, or hope serendipity will bring us together again. Otherwise, for each connection lost, I will simply assume they were another person that didn't much care for me.
And I know this is wrong because I want people to like me. Like everyone else, I am a social creature that wants to fit in. I see extroverts and I wish I could be like them. Some of my best friends are extroverts and I am envious of their ability to infect others with their enthusiasm and energy. I want to be popular I guess. I think it's a trust/self-esteem thing in the end. I like who I am but I wish I could be better.
Kenshin001
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I believe there should be compulsory sterilisation for certain types of criminals, especially those who are negligent or abusive to children. Personally I don't think it is a bad belief but I guess many people would think it is.
Oh yes, all of the above for me. Sometime i really wonder how someone can become such a mess...Some people are just sad, but other are just really annoying. The kind of people i can't possibly imagine bringing something good in this world.
Also i can't help but have a negative judgment on obese people. I know it's bad. Especially considering i've been fat myself.
Why would i hold a belief, if i think it's bad? Which is not the same as to say that i'm still ignorant on an immense number of things, but those are beliefs i don't know to be bad, yet.
I also find the violent vigilante justice mentioned by a couple of gaffers kinda messed up, and if you consider it a bad belief, why don't you drop it? I think this is, in part, why the world is so shitty sometimes.
I also find the violent vigilante justice mentioned by a couple of gaffers kinda messed up, and if you consider it a bad belief, why don't you drop it? I think this is, in part, why the world is so shitty sometimes.
NinjaBoiX
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Because humans are irrational.
Think in terms of guilty pleasure.
Yes, he was. However, he does have some qualities: he was willing to put his life on the line for what he believed in.
You ever try to break an addiction?
Belief is an addiction like any other. You may know it's wrong, or at least needs a change, but you've been believing it so long it's ingrained in your psyche...
Basically this, or in terms of moral scale.
I believe 100% in the Castle Law for example, in my head it's completely fine, in others it could be seen as ridiculous.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding the meaning of "belief" but i thought it meant a moral or ethical point of view.
In this case, that you hold despite knowing that it's bad/amoral.
I don't think the guilty pleasure of listening to crappy music (example) fits the bill (?).
Uhm, i guess i'm reading it wrong then.
I can understand the difficulty of changing a deeply ingrained point of view or habit, the fact that you're trying to change it, though, doesn't it mean that you're not "holding" on to it anymore?
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To be clear, i'm making a distinction between acting against your beliefs, and holding on to beliefs you think are wrong.
The first one i can understand (and do so often, unfortunately) the second one eludes me in logic.
You should go and talk to a smoker, drinker, drug addict, etc. about how hard is was to give it up. People talk about giving things up and they know they should stop doing it but it's too hard to stop "holding" it.
It's not as easy to drop something when every cell in your body is screaming not to let go.
Read my edit, i guess i was reading it wrong then, because i can understand acting against your beliefs (like in the case of a smoker who can't quit, despite knowing it's damaging and pointless etc etc).
But he's not holding on to a false belief, he is not going around rationalizing and doing mental gymnastics on why smoking is actually not bad.
I consider the vast majority of people usually not even worth their weight in salt and are very disposable as a whole.
If the human population dwindled to the low millions I might consider life important/sacred but with 7 billion of us? Not really if anything we would be better off with a massive population decrease.
I think anti abortionists are worth less than whatever I left in the toilet this morning for the most part. If I could get away with it 100% legally I'd have no moral qualms driving over an abortion protest in a tank.
I assume any smoker under 50-60 is either suicidal or of such low intelligence that I'm surprised they are allowed to have a lighter.
Democracy is fundamentally broken when more voters could tell you shit about honey boo boo and American Idol than any political issues.
If the human population dwindled to the low millions I might consider life important/sacred but with 7 billion of us? Not really if anything we would be better off with a massive population decrease.
I think anti abortionists are worth less than whatever I left in the toilet this morning for the most part. If I could get away with it 100% legally I'd have no moral qualms driving over an abortion protest in a tank.
I assume any smoker under 50-60 is either suicidal or of such low intelligence that I'm surprised they are allowed to have a lighter.
Democracy is fundamentally broken when more voters could tell you shit about honey boo boo and American Idol than any political issues.
I find it hard to imagine thinking like this ever. Because consider your emotions, feelings and thoughts right now.. then imagine that the other 8-billion besides you are capable of all those feelings and have their own unique experiences to boot. Even a human life who doesn't contribute to the well-being of society is still important for those reasons imo.
It does, precisely. In a word, it's something you genuinely believe in for one, even though that would be a paradox for your next-door Joe.
This so much.
I quite like myself, but I have no illusions of grandeur that I am important. I'm important to my gf and a handful of patients but unless thousands and thousands psychologists all died at once I would not be very important.
Feelings and emotions are not enough to be important.
But then it's your neighbour who thinks that belief it's bad, not you.
I take you don't believe in collective consciousness then?
MetalGuardian
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I was content with lurking in this thread until I saw this. It made me :lol, mainly an awkward-nervous laughter of "thank god my psychologist and therapists didn't have this mindset when I needed them, what the hell"
What's even the point in getting involved in such a field where you "improve" the lives of people who you think would be better off dead for the sake of humanity as a whole?
I am exactly the same as you and yes, I do believe is a trust/self-esteem related problem.
What is this?
Ah, i thought we were talking about personal beliefs, not simply shared sense of morality.
In which case i can understand going against them, but i wouldn't define it as a bad belief i hold.
If i hold a belief that is contrary to some shared common sense, it means i got there with a reasoning, so if i hold it, it's because i don't think it's bad.
And again, i don't factor feeling or acting against you beliefs as holding to bad beliefs.
Eating IceCream when you're dieting, it's not a belief you hold.
Sapphire Dreams
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That religions have the right to exist.
Props for being very Cartesian. It's pretty rare nowadays, granted everyone feels the need to act out of peer-pressure from my experience.
Monocle
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I've seen the 1998 Godzilla remake a few times and it's actually not too bad for a popcorn movie.
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