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Ben Affleck Is The Best Batman Ever
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The Cowboy
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Indeed, as much as i love The Dark Knight (fav Batman movie), and as much as i love the look of the BvS Batman (best Bat suit by a mile) - Keaton is still my fav Bruce Wayne/Batman.
Keaton also has by far the best Batmobile and Batplane which gives him extra bonus points.
CrocMother
Banned
Don't see how you can put him over bale after one film where he isn't even the main character, not to mention an awful script.
Zoe
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Pai Pai Master
Banned
How does this make him a good Batman?
Knuckle Sandwich
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The voice alone puts his Batman above Bale. I still love those movies but that growl is unforgivable.
Evil's Bane
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The fact that Batman is being applauded for killing people is pretty depressing. It's the one thing that actually stopped the character from being unstoppable and worked as a character flaw of sorts. There's no reason for characters like the Joker to be alive now because there's nothing stopping Bats from wasting them. Batman's world either just got a lot more nonsensical or a lot less interesting.
That said, I think Affleck did an awesome job with what he was given and everything wrong with the character falls on the writing. With Nolan/Bale it felt like the reverse.
That said, I think Affleck did an awesome job with what he was given and everything wrong with the character falls on the writing. With Nolan/Bale it felt like the reverse.
Memento Mori
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He outperformed the material.
You can just about justify killing flamethrower man to save Martha. I struggle to explain him gunning people down with the Batwing or driving through them with the Batmobile.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
Hey was great when he wasnt murdering fools left and right.
Strangelove77
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Night Terror
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This seems kinda major for you to just throughout it out there.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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He was great. I look forward to a movie with him just beating up bad guys.
CrocMother
Banned
The
scene was so awful fir everyone involved, that alone keeps him from being declared a GOAT prematurely
who is Martha
Because he isn't weak. Bale got recked and stomped on by everyone he went up against. He couldn't do anything without help from the city of Gotham basically. Or some other cheating shit like hearing everyone phones. Batfleck would literally destroy Bane from TDKR in less than 30 seconds. Scarecrow and Joker wouldn't have gotten as far as they did if Batfleck was on their ass. The entire Nolan trilogy was basically there to show how weak Batman is. Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney were all very weak as well. They get distracted by the sight of any good looking girl. They wouldn't last a minute in this Batman's world.
And its not about killing people..its about not letting them have their way for as long as they did.
Peter Ian Staker
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The way the aspect ratio slowly gets fucked up kills me. Its like he falls into a black hole.
Badpsychometry
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When that one guy stabbed him in the shoulder with the knife and he returned the favor.... I KNEW right then. I knew I was in love.
CosmicGroinPull
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Oh yeah? Your Batman keeps teenage boys' uniforms in his basement. In a display case. Hah.
IdreamofHIME
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It's just ironic that Affleck becomes the best guy actually playing Batman at the same time Daredevil becomes a better Batman than Batman.
But this is an aging Wayne and it's perfect. No time being a player just wants to wreck shit.
Permanently A
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He is the worst part of the movie.
hydragonwarrior
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Aghh we need the "I agree" post as second reply T_T
we were spot on
This isn't a caaaahhh
I have no issue with him wanting to just wreck shit at this point, I just don't think Affleck pulled off Bruce Wayne very well. It had nothing to do with the character's intentions or actions - I just don't think Affleck played the part very well.
As Batman, yes, I think he was good. Without the mask, though, is when I was wishing for Bale.
YOU
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How is he so handsome on screen,
yet looks like a guy that picks up tampons for his wife in a ball cap and a hoody that plays poker with his work buddies once a month in that GIF. Also looking like he's super good at Foosball, which he calls "Getting in some fooz, bro".
Affleck brought his A game to the role itself, but the character is nothing short of awful as far as I'm concerned. That said, how much you like this Batman depends on what you're looking for. He's unintelligent, thuggish, sadistic and cruel, and fearful. But hey, he kills people, and murder makes him cool in some circles.
You can definitely argue that he has had the best action scenes, but you can also argue he doesn't. Few will disagree that the actual action choreography is the best. But the lack of narrative power means it is just kind of meaningless. Plus, his very best action scene is all but plagerized from the Arkham games, which makes it less impressive for me. Things like the Joker's "Hit me!" scene or Batman trying to figure out how solve Joker's last hostage situation had worse choreography, but were much more intense scenes for me. They set up the narrative stakes much better in other movies.
What about the costume? Well, it's definitely the most "looks like a real comic book" sort of costume, and he has a voice syncronizer that gives him a good growly voice withoutt sounding like he has throat cancer. However, I fucking hate the TDKR look, which it's doing it's best to emulate. I hate the small ears, I hate the fat bat, I hate how he looks like a gorilla in a suit. I much prefer the more realistic look that Nolan gave, though I think if they were to use the techniques that Snyder used on a different batman, maybe the new 52 one, I'd like it the best.
So yeah, it's all about what your looking for. I can admit that Affleck's batman is doing a lot of stuff well, but it's stuff I wish wasn't being done, well or poorly.
All that said, I'd like to make just say that I'm concerned that it's being received as well as it is. I don't think too many people deny that the movie as a whole was written very poorly and all the discussions I've seen centered around Batfleck regarding his positive aspects is how he looks scary and he rips people apart. Please don't take this as me saying that I am upset at people liking what I don't care for, atleast not on a personal level, but in aggregate, I don't think it's a healthy response that they see comparatively better written Batman characters in other media, and give Batfleck the nod for the sole reason that he is...well, more evil, to put in general terms. Being crueler, wrathful, and murderous are all generally seen as bad things for a person to be, and while you can argue some merits to those qualities can form an interesting character, I don't think anyone would say he's a better character. If BvS were doing something interesting with those elements, that'd be one thing, but most of the responses seem to be around "omg, I can't believe it, he just killed that dude" without any deeper insight. So as far as I can tell, people like him just because he's a worse person than the previous Batmen, and I just find that really....off. Maybe it's just shock and morbid fascination. This IS the first time we've seen a batman do these things, so maybe people just can't take their eyes off and associate that with some kind of quality, but if it's not, I'm concerned about the implications of a community that celebrates a character just because he's excessively violent. Again, not saying people are wrong for liking him, even for those things, I'd just be concerned for it as an community movement in general.
You can definitely argue that he has had the best action scenes, but you can also argue he doesn't. Few will disagree that the actual action choreography is the best. But the lack of narrative power means it is just kind of meaningless. Plus, his very best action scene is all but plagerized from the Arkham games, which makes it less impressive for me. Things like the Joker's "Hit me!" scene or Batman trying to figure out how solve Joker's last hostage situation had worse choreography, but were much more intense scenes for me. They set up the narrative stakes much better in other movies.
What about the costume? Well, it's definitely the most "looks like a real comic book" sort of costume, and he has a voice syncronizer that gives him a good growly voice withoutt sounding like he has throat cancer. However, I fucking hate the TDKR look, which it's doing it's best to emulate. I hate the small ears, I hate the fat bat, I hate how he looks like a gorilla in a suit. I much prefer the more realistic look that Nolan gave, though I think if they were to use the techniques that Snyder used on a different batman, maybe the new 52 one, I'd like it the best.
So yeah, it's all about what your looking for. I can admit that Affleck's batman is doing a lot of stuff well, but it's stuff I wish wasn't being done, well or poorly.
All that said, I'd like to make just say that I'm concerned that it's being received as well as it is. I don't think too many people deny that the movie as a whole was written very poorly and all the discussions I've seen centered around Batfleck regarding his positive aspects is how he looks scary and he rips people apart. Please don't take this as me saying that I am upset at people liking what I don't care for, atleast not on a personal level, but in aggregate, I don't think it's a healthy response that they see comparatively better written Batman characters in other media, and give Batfleck the nod for the sole reason that he is...well, more evil, to put in general terms. Being crueler, wrathful, and murderous are all generally seen as bad things for a person to be, and while you can argue some merits to those qualities can form an interesting character, I don't think anyone would say he's a better character. If BvS were doing something interesting with those elements, that'd be one thing, but most of the responses seem to be around "omg, I can't believe it, he just killed that dude" without any deeper insight. So as far as I can tell, people like him just because he's a worse person than the previous Batmen, and I just find that really....off. Maybe it's just shock and morbid fascination. This IS the first time we've seen a batman do these things, so maybe people just can't take their eyes off and associate that with some kind of quality, but if it's not, I'm concerned about the implications of a community that celebrates a character just because he's excessively violent. Again, not saying people are wrong for liking him, even for those things, I'd just be concerned for it as an community movement in general.
True Savior
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Bale>Keaton>Val Kilmer>Affleck (trailers) >Clooney
VeryGooster
Banned
Every time I see that "Sadfleck" meme:
I thought Affleck was pretty damned good with what he had to work with. Hopefully if he gets a shot at writing/directing or paired with a competent filmmaker we'll see an actual story with him and not a bunch of pasted scenes.
I thought Affleck was pretty damned good with what he had to work with. Hopefully if he gets a shot at writing/directing or paired with a competent filmmaker we'll see an actual story with him and not a bunch of pasted scenes.
Keaton still my fav tho
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I draw the line between killing and murder. Killing in combat is fine, especially when the other guys have gatling guns and javelins. Murder is where it would cross the line to not being Batman.
supernormal
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I've always been a supporter since he was cast based on aesthetics alone. Ben Affleck is pretty much the cartoon Batman (or even the videogame one) come to life. He's got the chin and he's freaking 6'4" at around 240lbs. The scene where they show him working out he looks bigger than Bane from the Nolan flicks.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
If I stay there can be no party. I must be out there in the night, staying vigilant. Wherever a party needs to be saved, I'm there. Wherever there are masks or if there's tomfoolery and joy, I'm there. But sometimes I'm not because I'm out there in the night staying vigilant, watching, lurking, running, jumping, hurdling, sleeping. No I can't sleep. You sleep, I'm awake. I don't sleep. I don't blink. Am I a bird? No, I'm a bat. I am Batman. Or am I? Yes, I am Batman.Abed is the best Batman.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I loved batman's brutality in this movie.
It's not like batman has not killed before.
It's not like batman has not killed before.
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WrenchNinja
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I thought some of his Bruce Wayne scenes were okay but his Batman is shit.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I thought of it more like rocksteady totally choreographed batman beating on 15+ bad guys in real life lol.
That's is why it was so awesome haha.
BlackGhost
Banned
I really Enjoyed Affleck as batman. This was a different twist on Batman we usually don't get to see. Hope we get a solo with Affleck. Was my favorite part of the movie.
was refreshing for me that he didn't shy away from using guns. Some ppl hated that he killed but i didn't
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