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Eat less do more one, so less calories and move a bit more every day and things will get better

One and done.

Gotta get back to this myself. Stayed moderate in the gym, but chilled a little bit on the diet. Gained 15, made a few improvements, but not as much as I'd like, and not digging the weight gain. Started to cut again this past week, and I figure Christmas and New Years will be two cheat meals I can let myself have.

Trying to take it from 185 to 160 by the end of May. Totally doable.

I lost 55 lbs by eating barely anything and running everyday. It took three months.

Cardio + fasting is absurdly effective for pure weight loss, but 55 lbs in 3 months is wild. Not saying it ain't healthy, just saying "god dayum".
 
I do a combination of Keto/IF when I did go on a diet. It's amazing after a month of doing this how you can make your portions smaller and feel full.

Keto definitely makes you lose weight, but I feel like you give up brain/thinking capibilities. It's hard the first time you do it, but the results are amazing.
 
Another vote for Keto, if you can keep your electrolytes in check and keep yourself well enough hydrated you'll easily become adapted within a few weeks.
 
For you keto guys: how frequent are your cheat days?
Been going at it again for about 3 months now and I usually have a smallish pizza (as in a regular sized pizza in Europe, not what I see in American media that appear to be intended to be shared) on Saturdays and I feel like it's stifling my progress.
I also do IF (22-24h intervals pretty much) and I also workout 3 times a week (Stronglifts) with Saturday being the last workout day of the week.

Lost 46lbs in that time frame for what it's worth.
 
Some would say diet is even higher than 80%.

This thread is full of so much pseudo science information.

Counting calories only works temporarily until your body realizes you are starving. Your metabolism reduces to equal your energy intake in the chronic state. [See the biggest loser study where their massive calorie deficit and extreme cardio awarded every single one of them a reduction in their metabolism after they were done with competition. I believe it's referenced here.] Don't do this. [Your metabolism in the short term will increase and decrease to match your energy intake.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9srxB_s_wIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0

Unless you're doing a crazy amount of exercise normally it has a nominal impact on your weight and you will also be hungrier when exercising.
 
So I want to start a diet to lose weight but I honestly have no idea which one to choose. Between Paleo, Keto, IF, Calorie Counting etc, I don't know what is best for me. Should I just try them all until one fits? What did you guys do?

Paleo works very well and is fairly effortless. Calorie counting is probably the worst option out of what you listed.
 
For you keto guys: how frequent are your cheat days?
Been going at it again for about 3 months now and I usually have a smallish pizza (as in a regular sized pizza in Europe, not what I see in American media that appear to be intended to be shared) on Saturdays and I feel like it's stifling my progress.
I also do IF (22-24h intervals pretty much) and I also workout 3 times a week (Stronglifts) with Saturday being the last workout day of the week.

Lost 46lbs in that time frame for what it's worth.

Keto doesn''t have cheat days
 
My diet is a lot of protein and veggies with very minor carbs. I'll usually have a sandwich for lunch and a sensible dinner.

Stay away from fast food and beer. And no Soda. Ever. There is only one beverage you should be drinking from now on. It is called water. Please enjoy it.
 
This thread is full of so much pseudo science information.

Counting calories only works temporarily until your body realizes you are starving. Your metabolism reduces to equal your energy intake in the chronic state. [See the biggest loser study where their massive calorie deficit and extreme cardio awarded every single one of them a reduction in their metabolism after they were done with competition. I believe it's referenced here.] Don't do this. [Your metabolism in the short term will increase and decrease to match your energy intake.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9srxB_s_wIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0

Unless you're doing a crazy amount of exercise normally it has a nominal impact on your weight and you will also be hungrier when exercising.


You're only supposed to cut up to 15% of your tdee
 
For you keto guys: how frequent are your cheat days?
Been going at it again for about 3 months now and I usually have a smallish pizza (as in a regular sized pizza in Europe, not what I see in American media that appear to be intended to be shared) on Saturdays and I feel like it's stifling my progress.
I also do IF (22-24h intervals pretty much) and I also workout 3 times a week (Stronglifts) with Saturday being the last workout day of the week.

Lost 46lbs in that time frame for what it's worth.

Everyone's threshold will be different, but I wouldn't recommend more than one cheat meal per week at most, but sometimes social events can screw things up. Just try to be as consistent as possible. You'll know if you're stalling or even moving in the wrong direction after a while.

You're only supposed to cut up to 15% of your tdee

According to whom? I can't count the number of times I've seen people talking about doing 1,500 kcal or lower diets.
 
Lost 8 lbs over the last three days. Ate this every day:

Breakfast: 2 cups of black coffee, 2 eggs

Lunch: 2 cans of diet coke, 2 Five Guys triple cheeseburgers with pickles, onions, and jalapenos

Snack: Orange

Dinner: Green giant broccoli steamer pack; handful of Planter's mixed nuts

Lots of water throughout the day.
 
Count calories.

Download my fitness pal on your phone. Enter your details. Set your goals. Track your calorie intake. Stay below your daily calorie intake targets.

Watch the pounds drop off.

You dont even need to exercise. Walking for 30 minutes a day is enough.


Working out while calorie counting will be a huge boost, but unless you're monitoring your intake at the same time, its kind of pointless, as you'll immediately balloon the minute you stop working out because your calorie intake will once again be too high.

Realising just how unhealthy and calorie rich even the most basic stuff we take for granted is necessary to get perspective when deciding on what and how much to eat.
 
Calories counting in combination with not eating after 6pm is very effective. Throw in a bit cardio (20-30 minutes 2-3 times a week) and your weight will melt.
 
Lost 8 lbs over the last three days. Ate this every day:

Breakfast: 2 cups of black coffee, 2 eggs

Lunch: 2 cans of diet coke, 2 Five Guys triple cheeseburgers with pickles, onions, and jalapenos

Snack: Orange

Dinner: Green giant broccoli steamer pack; handful of Planter's mixed nuts

Lots of water throughout the day.
That is not how you should do it mate. 1 lbp (0,5 kg) weight loss per week should be the goal for healthy weight loss.
 
That is not how you should do it mate. 1 lbp (0,5 kg) weight loss per week should be the goal for healthy weight loss.

It's almost all water weight. When the body adjusts to a low carb diet, it sheds the excess water bloat you retain when you eat carbs. I do it every once in a while to shock my system.
 
It's almost all water weight. When the body adjusts to a low carb diet, it sheds the excess water bloat you retain when you eat carbs. I do it every once in a while to shock my system.

Yup did it recently to compete in a lower weight class. Went from 75 kg to 70,5 kg back to 75 kg in like 2-3 weeks. It is just water balance. 4,5 kg of fat is like 40 000 calories or something.
 
What to eat: Whole food, plant-based diet with low fat intake.
How to eat (optional): Give intermittent fasting a shot if you think you can handle it. You are in fasting mode for 16 hours and eat during an 8h window. I found that I burned fat more efficiently and that it helped with satiety and hunger attacks after adjusting to it.
What to do: Strength training (a beginner's routine like Stronglifts or Starting Strength) and when you get comfortable add HIIT training during rest days to that.
 
I've been doing Slimming World, lost about a stone and a half in 2 months from 15 stone 8lb down to 14 stone 1lb yesterday when I weighed in.

It's a really easy plan to follow too, just count your "syns'. I'm still enjoying chocolate and naughty foods, just in moderation.

Hoping to hit 12 stone in the early months of next year all being well.
 
Calories in < calories out. It always has been, and always will be, that simple. You cannae change the laws of physics.

This thread is full of so much pseudo science information.

Counting calories only works temporarily until your body realizes you are starving.

Unless you're doing a crazy amount of exercise normally it has a nominal impact on your weight and you will also be hungrier when exercising.

Now this is some Grade A Bullshit.

You talk about pseudoscience and then link to a couple of crank Youtubes and the fucking Biggest Loser?

Starvation Mode is bullshit unless you are actually starving, nobody on 1000 calories a day is starving unless they're also trying to run marathons.

I lost over 30 kilos in about a year simply by changing my diet from over 2500 calories a day to less than 1500 calories a day. The weight came off and stayed off with no extra exercise (30 minutes walk a day, 30 minutes of Table Tennis, both of which I was already doing), no special fads, nothing but the pure, hard maths of in < out.
 
Calories in < calories out. It always has been, and always will be, that simple. You cannae change the laws of physics.



Now this is some Grade A Bullshit.

You talk about pseudoscience and then link to a couple of crank Youtubes and the fucking Biggest Loser?

Starvation Mode is bullshit unless you are actually starving, nobody on 1000 calories a day is starving unless they're also trying to run marathons.

I lost over 30 kilos in about a year simply by changing my diet from over 2500 calories a day to less than 1500 calories a day. The weight came off and stayed off with no extra exercise (30 minutes walk a day, 30 minutes of Table Tennis, both of which I was already doing), no special fads, nothing but the pure, hard maths of in < out.

Most of what I "know" about nutrition says that calories in and calories out isn't really the only factor. I'll have to search for the study but I heard on a podcast recently that the body can down regulate NEAT (non exercise activity thermogenesis) when you consume less calories. So drastically cutting calories can sometimes not yield the results you want. Add in the different thermic effects of macronutrients and a calorie isn't always a calorie.

The most important thing for health and longevity is eating real, actual foods in quantities that sustain activity but not excess body fat. And that number will be individual to everyone. Find something you can sustain and create behavioral changes, instead of relying on "dieting".
 
Losing weight is not about less calories in than calories out. Anyone still on that train needs to check out of the 80s/90s.
 
Keto, calorie counting, and cardio

Losing weight is not about less calories in than calories out. Anyone still on that train needs to check out of the 80s/90s.

Wtf lol you can't just say that and not give your supposed superior alternative

Stress will eliminate your appetite. Fuck some shit up in your life.

I've lost almost 20 pounds in the past few weeks!

Some of us stress eat and get fat lol
 
Most of what I "know" about nutrition says that calories in and calories out isn't really the only factor. I'll have to search for the study but I heard on a podcast recently that the body can down regulate NEAT (non exercise activity thermogenesis) when you consume less calories. So drastically cutting calories can sometimes not yield the results you want. Add in the different thermic effects of macronutrients and a calorie isn't always a calorie.

The most important thing for health and longevity is eating real, actual foods in quantities that sustain activity but not excess body fat. And that number will be individual to everyone. Find something you can sustain and create behavioral changes, instead of relying on "dieting".

uh not quite. What happens is the amount of calories your body needs in a day depends on how much you weigh. (Among other factors.)

So for instance if you weigh 180 lbs, and you start eating 2000 calories a day, you'll likely loose weight every week.

But, once you get to down to say 150, 160 lbs, you'll stop losing weight because while 2000 calories may not have been enough food to maintain a 180lb person, it's certainly enough to maintain a 150lb person. So the weight loss stops.

An important step to calorie counting is that you have to regularly track your weight and make adjustments to how much calories you consume once it stops moving the way you want it too.
 
Friends seem to have had good results with ketogenic. I've done it a bit in the past myself.

I'm going to avoid claiming any kind of crazy world changing benefits, and YMMV, but look into it. it really does change your cravings and brain/stomach communication.

If nothing else, it's just a nice and simple form of calorie counting. If you are skipping carbs, you will generally start losing weight fast, due of how difficult it is to replace carb-calories with increased fat intake.

And everyone should experience the feeling of ketogenesis at least once in their life.

Edit...forgot to make clear, high fat, LOW protein.
 
My advice would be to look at this as a marathon rather than a sprint. Going "on a diet" is, by its nature, a temporary thing. Odds are you'll do better by making smaller changes that you can live with for the long run rather than drastic changes that aren't sustainable.
 
Most of what I "know" about nutrition says that calories in and calories out isn't really the only factor. I'll have to search for the study but I heard on a podcast recently that the body can down regulate NEAT (non exercise activity thermogenesis) when you consume less calories. So drastically cutting calories can sometimes not yield the results you want. Add in the different thermic effects of macronutrients and a calorie isn't always a calorie.

It isn't the only factor (other factors like digestion, gut flora can affect how much macronutrients are digested and uptaken and and how they're distributed). But it is by far and away the most important factor.

I mean, ultimately it isn't like your mitochandria can create energy out of nothing. No, the oxidation process happening there is just like any other (bio)chemical reaction subject to the laws of thermodynamics.

But I agree with your last paragraph.

Eating processed carbs (and highly processed food in general) leads to hormone changes that leads to fat gain. For anyone that hasn't read up on it, I'd suggest Why We Get Fat: And What to do About It. Or if you want the most scientific thing possible, Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Counterpoint: I'd suggest reading this as well:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/gary-taubes-and-the-cause-of-obesity/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/why-we-get-fat/
 

You can read into Taubes work what you want, as the guy you linked did. His books rail against sugar, mainly, grains, and other processed carbs to a lesser degree. At no point can I remember him advocating for a very low carb diet in Good Calories, Bad Calories. As I said earlier in this thread, I would recommend going with paleo. You don't have to be militant about it (Whole30), but its core message of eating actual food instead of processed food holds up. Counting calroies and/or a low-fat diet is about the worst dietary decision you can make for losing weight and is being debunked in journals now regularly.
 
You can read into Taubes work what you want, as the guy you linked did. His books rail against sugar, mainly, grains, and other processed carbs to a lesser degree. At no point can I remember him advocating for a very low carb diet in Good Calories, Bad Calories. As I said earlier in this thread, I would recommend going with paleo. You don't have to be militant about it (Whole30), but its core message of eating actual food instead of processed food holds up. Counting calroies and/or a low-fat diet is about the worst dietary decision you can make for losing weight and is being debunked in journals now regularly.

Yessir, there's a couple of core tenets of paleo that you can really benefit from without turning to a heavy-handed evangelist. I read "The Perfect Health Diet", which is paleo inspired, but "allows" for some white rice and dairy.

Basically, though, cut out processed sugar and bread intake and you'll be winning 1/2 of the battle right there. Food prep will also have an effect, too, as there are implications on the glycemic index of your foods and high heat vs. low heat cooking can really change those numbers up or down from their raw values.

If you need sweet, stick to safe sweeteners (enjoyed responsibly of course) like maple syrup and honey on occasion. Don't eat foods that come out of a box. Eat whole foods. If something has more than 4 or 5 ingredients in it...it's likely not worth eating.

Also, like the above quote says, counting calories is for suckers when you're not judicious about where those calories are coming from, and saturated fats are actually quite good for you. again when you're selective about your sources (avocados, fish, etc). Read up on monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFA) vs. polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) for a bit more detail on that.
 
You can read into Taubes work what you want, as the guy you linked did. His books rail against sugar, mainly, grains, and other processed carbs to a lesser degree. At no point can I remember him advocating for a very low carb diet in Good Calories, Bad Calories. As I said earlier in this thread, I would recommend going with paleo. You don't have to be militant about it (Whole30), but its core message of eating actual food instead of processed food holds up. Counting calroies and/or a low-fat diet is about the worst dietary decision you can make for losing weight and is being debunked in journals now regularly.

So why not just follow actual evidence-based medicine/nutrition (yes, this is a pleonasm, but it seems that it needs to be emphasized for some people that you know, nutrition science is a science) and avoid making sugar and refined grains a part in someone's diet, while including carbohydrate-rich foods like legumes, whole grains, fruits, root vegetables in someone's diet; this in a calorie-deficit if one is aiming for weight loss?

I mean, recommonding people to eat whole foods is what a dietician or medical professional educated in nutrition science would do, because that recommendation has a scientific basis. Why tell people to needlessly restrict their meals in terms of food choices?



And the premise of the paleo diet is pseudoscientific. Completely misportraits how evolution works. (let alone that the name of the diet has completely bastardized the term "paleo"). And of course its dietary 'laws' / recommendations, specifically the demonization of legumes and whole grains has little scientific basis.
 
I've dropped noticeable 'physical' weight the past 5 weeks ( not on the scale, but I'm not worried about that) in my midriff area, love handles greatly reduced, by doing the following:

- Eliminate all Soda, which I rarely drank anyway
- Minimize alcohol to weekends only, and don't overdo it when I drink
- Allow a little 'cheating' on the weekend in terms of carbs
- Eliminate rice, pasta, bread, and potato from my diet Monday to Friday. And on the occasions I'v cheated, like had a sandwich for lunch( wheat bread and usually Tuna or Egg) or pasta on top of my salad, THAT's it for the day as far as a typical carb source. I tend to do a lot of label watching for carbs and sodium, not so much on Fats.
-Replace typical snack foods with light/unsalted peanuts/cashew/almonds

- Meat and veggies for Dinner, try and eat by 7pm. NO starch whatsoever. So skinless chicken, turkey burger with light seasonings, Fish( I'm fund of Salmon in particular).

I've noticed a marked change in my physical shape upper-bodywise just sticking to those basic principles, and that's without any exercise which I'm hoping to incorporate in the new year( light weights, squash).

I've found it easy to maintain to maintain, first 2 weeks were rouch as my body adjusted to the generally less carbs. Felt lethargic... now I feel a light lighter on my feet. Occasionally I have a craving for meat or protein, for example last night I had a freshly made burger with saute onions, for lunch that day it was chicken on top of garden salad with vinaigrette dressing.
 
So why not just follow actual evidence-based medicine/nutrition (yes, this is a pleonasm, but it seems that it needs to be emphasized for some people that you know, nutrition science is a science) and avoid making sugar and refined grains a part in someone's diet, while including carbohydrate-rich foods like legumes, whole grains, fruits, root vegetables in someone's diet; this in a calorie-deficit if one is aiming for weight loss?

Because that's all debunked 70s/80s science. Eat vegetables, some fruit, some nuts, and meat. Grains add fat. Legumes mess with digestion. Are you going to die eating the latter two, especially occasionally? Of course, not. It's just more emphasized when you're trying to lose fat as opposed to normal daily living.

I mean, recommonding people to eat whole foods is what a dietician or medical professional educated in nutrition science would do, because that recommendation has a scientific basis. Why tell people to needlessly restrict?

Up until the last few years, most nutritionists and scientists were working off of flawed science from the 70s that promoted high carb, low fat eating. Today's science is debunking that garbage.

And the premise of the paleo diet is pseudoscientific. Completely misportraits how evolution works. (let alone that the name of the diet has completely bastardized the term "paleo"). And of course its dietary 'laws' / recommendations, specifically the demonization of legumes and whole grains has little scientific basis.

Whether or not cavemen ate broccoli doesn't matter. The point is that if you cut out sugar, grains, and processed foods you will lose weight and be healthier in general. It's effortless...well, except for avoiding alcohol lol.
 
Listen to this man. Keto works and works well.

The biggest roadblock to Keto is the social aspect of it. It's very hard to avoid carbs when eating out with family and friends, but many places offer ways to mitigate or avoid the damage.

For sure though, Taubes' book opened the heck out of my eyes.
 
Because that's all debunked 70s/80s science.

I mean really?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26011909
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4608274/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23398387


Eat vegetables, some fruit, some nuts, and meat. Grains add fat. Legumes mess with digestion. Are you going to die eating the latter two, especially occasionally? Of course, not. It's just more emphasized when you're trying to lose fat as opposed to normal daily living.

No scientific basis for your claims.


In fact because many types of fibers from beans are fermented into short-chain fatty acids in the colon. Those short-chain fatty acids (particularly butyrate) are actually the favoured energy substrate for colonocytes (colon cells) and thus it's able to increase cell proliferation in the colon and thus keeping the colon healthy.

If anything, legumes are the opposite of "gut irritants", they have been consistently shown to actually improve colon / digestive health and they reduce inflammatory markers in the gut, which is what the majority of the research suggests as well, like this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25841250



"grains add fat", no. Calorie surplus adds fat, if you're going to dispute that you might as well say that you can shoot huge lasers from your eyes because your eyes create so much energy out of nothing.


Up until the last few years, most nutritionists and scientists were working off of flawed science from the 70s that promoted high carb, low fat eating. Today's science is debunking that garbage.

Wrong.


Whether or not cavemen ate broccoli doesn't matter. The point is that if you cut out sugar, grains, and processed foods you will lose weight and be healthier in general. It's effortless...well, except for avoiding alcohol lol.

I didn't even mention sugar and processed foods. Obviously a diet reduces/excludes those is already more likely to be healthier. The dietary recommondation to reduce sugar and processed foods is based on science, hence why dietiticians and health professionals that had a scientific eductation (and health organizations that employ them) in nutrition recommend just that..

Show me some studies and systematic reviews where a calorie-sufficient whole foods diet that includes legumes and whole grains is found out to be promoting conditions for metabolic diseases. I don't think you'll find many, if any.




Sorry, but I'm not going to waste more time after this. It's completely up to you to deny scientific consensus if that's what you want to do. Let it be clear that I'm not saying that "paleo diet" is necessarily unhealthy, what I'm saying is that its recommondation to avoid legumes and whole grains is not based on science.
 
If you're the kind of person that generally doesn't eat well, just cut the sugar (Soda, dessert and shit like that) and just this shall do wonders.

It did for me last year at least...

I regained mostly everything because I choked in the winter though.
 
"grains add fat", no. Calorie surplus adds fat, if you're going to dispute that you might as well say that you can shoot huge lasers from your eyes because your eyes create so much energy out of nothing.

So, in your world, 100 calories of donut = 100 calories of broccoli? Again, this is debunked science. Your body reacts differently depending on which foods you're eating. It's not a machine that burns all calories equally.


Wrong, what?

I didn't even mention sugar and processed foods. Obviously a diet reduces/excludes those is already more likely to be healthier. The dietary recommondation to reduce sugar and processed foods is based on science, hence why dietiticians and health professionals that had a scientific eductation (and health organizations that employ them) in nutrition recommend just that..

It's not obvious. Up until, at most, 10-15 years ago, people like you were recommending calories in < calories out. That's why you see 100 calorie packs of Oreos and shit, even today. It's bad misinformation that works, at best, temporarily.

Show me some studies and systematic reviews where a calorie-sufficient whole foods diet that includes legumes and whole grains is found out to be promoting conditions for metabolic diseases. I don't think you'll find many, if any.

Again, eating legumes isn't going to cause you to keel over and die. Is it the best for losing weight? No. Meat and vegetables are the best for losing weight. Can you eat them in moderation once you've lost the weight (or sparingly during)? Yes, of course.

Sorry, but I'm not going to waste more time after this. It's completely up to you to deny scientific consensus if that's what you want to do. Let it be clear that I'm not saying that "paleo diet" is necessarily unhealthy, what I'm saying is that its recommondation to avoid legumes and whole grains is not based on science.

Avoiding legumes is something that may or may not ultimately matter. There is a mountain of science that shows eating whole grains is not good for weight loss. Anecdotally, my girlfriend and I as well as a couple other friends lost 30+ pounds avoiding grains, sugar, and starchy carbs. The "New Weight Loss Before/After thread! Pics ahoy!" on here has plenty of people who went keto, paleo, or both and lost good amounts of weight.

The whole "eat plenty of whole grains and low fat meat" bullshittery needs to be left firmly planted in the 90s. The only time high carb works well for weight loss is if you're also killing it in the gym, which most people are not. This is also what leaves a ton of people "skinny fat."
 
So, in your world, 100 calories of donut = 100 calories of broccoli?

Yes, strictly from the point of view of calorific value, yes.

Obviously in the human body it's going to have different effects,result in a different spike in blood sugar and because a big part of the broccoli's carbohydrate contents come from fibers you aren't going to get all the actual energy content from broccoli's carbohydrates.

The point is, like I said in another post, calories are by far and away the biggest factor; thus it's going to be a determinant factor. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but it's definitely biggest one. All studies show that a sustained calorie deficit leads to weight loss. Of course by eating certain types of foods and avoding others, being able to hold that calorie deficit may be easier or harder for people. But the key element is still calorie deficit.



Wrong, what?

Your claim is incorrect. You're making random assertions about health professionals.



It's not obvious. Up until, at most, 10-15 years ago, people like you were recommending calories in < calories out. That's why you see 100 calorie packs of Oreos and shit, even today. It's bad misinformation that works, at best, temporarily

Again, sustained calorie deficit works. Like I said, there's lots of different ways / "diets" to achieve a sustained calorie deficit and most people are going to find it easier to achieve on fiber and fat-rich foods.



Again, eating legumes isn't going to cause you to keel over and die. Is it the best for losing weight? No. Meat and vegetables are the best for losing weight. Can you eat them in moderation once you've lost the weight (or sparingly during)? Yes, of course.



Avoiding legumes is something that may or may not ultimately matter. There is a mountain of science that shows eating whole grains is not good for weight loss. Anecdotally, my girlfriend and I as well as a couple other friends lost 30+ pounds avoiding grains, sugar, and starchy carbs. The "New Weight Loss Before/After thread! Pics ahoy!" on here has plenty of people who went keto, paleo, or both and lost good amounts of weight.

The whole "eat plenty of whole grains and low fat meat" bullshittery needs to be left firmly planted in the 90s. The only time high carb works well for weight loss is if you're also killing it in the gym, which most people are not. This is also what leaves a ton of people "skinny fat."

The paleo point about legumes and whole grains wasn't necessarily something I was approaching from a weight loss perspective. Even then, legumes are pretty satieting, so I'd seriously doubt they're a one of the problematic foods for people who struggle with weight management, but I'll have to look up some studies on that before making further claims on that.

No idea what's the relevance of you saying that you lost weight by avoidng grains, starch and sugar. That's great for you, but I that's more conforming with what I have been saying than otherwise. Obviously you're likely to lose weight if you avoid calorie-dense foods.
 
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