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Mamesj said:
THERE HASN'T BEEN A BAD REVIEW FOR KILLZONE 2. None of these games get seriously low scores from major sites. (and no, 8.8 and a 7 from Edge are not bad scores.)

god fucking dammit, exactly the problem :lol

I didn't say it was a bad score but when other games get higher scores even though they have broken modes out of the box. While this game doesn't seem to have anything broken, it makes people go "WTF". Again I don't care about the scores but at can see were someone would question.
 
Why do people insist on giving these children the attention they so desperately seek?

If people say stupid things, you ignore them. You don't stand up, point and say, "Did you hear the stupid thing this stupid person just said?!" Of course the stupid person said something stupid. That's what stupid people do!
 
kamorra said:
You guys are taking this way to serious. Both fans and haters.


Totally. Why would a publication like Variety even care of anything like this. To me it is all part of gaming hobbies, we have fanboys for all systems since the tiime of nintendo and genesis.
 
Wow, the original PSX Extreme article is even worse than the OP post lets on:

I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8. As we said, we're not about to question if there are legitimate reasons, and we're well aware of the often drastic differences in review policy from one publication to the next. But this is nothing more than a blatant attempt at attention, and if it were a strict editorial that doesn't really have any impact on the consumer, we wouldn't blink an eye. But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to its quality. This is what good reviewers do.

I have no words.
 
JudgeN said:
Probably has to do with there has never been a bad review for Mario/Zelda/Halo/Gears/etc game. At what point do we get to say "Hold up, why does this game have a 93% average when there are obvious problems". Now I'm not saying there is Sony bias but at what point do we get to question a review for it?

8.8? Never forget.
 
neojubei said:
Totally. Why would a publication like Variety even care of anything like this. To me it is all part of gaming hobbies, we have fanboys for all systems since the tiime of nintendo and genesis.

It's not Variety the magazine, it's a blog on Variety's website that focuses on video games. Why wouldn't they care about it?

FWIW, the blogger used to run a site called Spinsanity that documented the lies and deceptions of both parties in the runup to the 04 elections. It was pretty useful.
 
Kintaro said:
I... *hears my inner Ackbar*

Nah, this thread ia s trap.


Yea no kidding, a venus fanboy trap. And I'm not talking about killzone 2 fanboys but the haters as well.

I hate to say it but if this thread isn't shut down it will end up like the last killzone 2 thread with a bunch of people being banned.
 
KernelPanic said:
There's fanboys of all kinds out there.

I don't know why they're only calling out the Sony variety.

Uh...because they've been having the biggest and most recent meltdowns?
 
I'll never understand fanboys and why they make it a mission to become unpaid spokespersons. Also as others have stated as far as KZ2 goes, it is annoying when KZ2 gifs show up in every other thread about completely unrelated topics.
 
sonicmj1 said:
Could you post the text of the PSXextreme article? I'm kinda curious, even though I can probably guess what it says from the Variety piece.

psxe said:
Look, we're not saying our review of the game is "right." We're not saying that personal opinion doesn't factor into an analysis of any video game. We're not saying that the consumer isn't entitled to gathering information before making a purchase; in fact, it's always recommended. But here's what we are saying- publishers have long since understood the power of the review score, and most any gamer will tell you that he/she won't drop the $60 unless they've first looked at some feedback. This being the case, we advise all of you to ignore the desperate-for-attention, we're-going-to-prove-our-elite-status so-called "review" from Edge that has the entire Internet talking.

I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8. As we said, we're not about to question if there are legitimate reasons, and we're well aware of the often drastic differences in review policy from one publication to the next. But this is nothing more than a blatant attempt at attention, and if it were a strict editorial that doesn't really have any impact on the consumer, we wouldn't blink an eye. But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this. They may not like it, but they will admit to its quality. This is what good reviewers do.

They don't lie to the consumer to get some sort of underground "elite cred." I don't care what your system is for reviewing games; if you're scoring on a scale of 1 - 10, there's no way on earth KZ2 gets a 7 in direct comparison to the other products on store shelves. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. In all honesty, based on past review scores from that publication, we're starting to wonder if anyone ever actually plays the games in question...it would be extremely easy to issue a controversial review simply for the sake of gaining attention. You don't need any real details or facts, and you can fabricate a ton of supposed negative reaction. That may not be what happened here, but we at PSXE believe that we are providing our readers with a service. We believe all journalists in all industries are, and that service must be - above all else - as reliable as possible. When a consumer puts their faith in you when doing research on a product, whether it's other consumer reviews or professional analysis, you have a responsibility to that consumer.

If it's your job to be faithful to your readers, you are not allowed to do things like this. You are not allowed to indulge your massive ego in an underhanded attempt at getting attention. Video game journalists aren't exactly treated with a ton of respect by other entertainment journalists (I know, I was one), and if this keeps happening, we'll keep suffering under the same label. And that label is: "a bunch of kids with superiority complexes who just want to prove they 'know more' than everyone else...at the expense of the consumer." That, right there, sums up Edge's review. For your sake, just ignore it.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4586.html
 
neojubei said:
Yea no kidding, a venus fanboy trap. And I'm not talking about killzone 2 fanboys but the haters as well.

I hate to say it but if this thread isn't shut down it will end up like the last killzone 2 thread with a bunch of people being banned.
I think people were banned in the last Killzone thread because they were asking for porn. :lol
 
Not that detractors haven't been annoying in some cases but the over-riding effect that has been in place for a long time is that any criticisms of Killzone 2 are often met with unbridled anger that simply isn't rivaled by any other game. Yes the same happens with Gears or GTA, or Halo any big title but to a far less degree. The acceptable range to criticize Killzone 2 before you start a shitstorm is very small. This comes from someone who enjoyed the demo and thinks it will be a good game.

Killzone fans seem to have the thinnest skins possible at this moment and time in a way no other franchise fans are because they feel they are launching the next big thing.
 
NG28 said:
I'll never understand fanboys and why they make it a mission to become unpaid spokespersons.

I think a lot of fanboys never got out of the mentality they adopted as kids, your mom only buys you one console, and you need to reassure yourself you made a good decision. This mentality framed the way a lot of us now adult gamers think of our relationships with our systems. Some grew out of it, some didn't.
 
lol fanbois.

Next thing you know they'll hold conventions like the dreaded trekkies and have developers autograph their game stuff. Those trekkies are the worst of fanbois.
 
I will say that there does seem to be a problem in that it seems sometimes that certain games do get a pass in reviews while others are viewed more stringently. Not saying this is a bias towards a publisher and or game maker just something happens both to exclusive and none exclusive games.
 
templeusox said:
The fights over Heavy Rain in the future are going to make us wonder why we couldn't all just get along like back in the KZ2 days.
I would hope people don't look forward to Heavy Rain as anything but a polished, artsy, gorgeous niche title, same as Trico will almost certainly be. Uncharted 2 is a sequel to an existing PS3 property. God of War 3 on the other hand is probably something that minority within the Sony crowd who look for a 'savior' will probably see as one, seeing as it's coming off of a proven and vastly popular PS2 franchise and is possibly the biggest jewel in Sony's crown. The KZ2-gifs-in-every-thread crowd is nuts and full of said minority, but really I think most PS3-only folks are just looking forward to games without subscribing to the illusion that those games will magically catapult the PS3 to first place.
 
Hellsing321 said:
I think people were banned in the last Killzone thread because they were asking for porn. :lol

What ? :lol Where ?

We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this

Why would you know about a game's quality because you know the industry ?
 
JudgeN said:
I didn't say it was a bad score but when other games get higher scores even though they have broken modes out of the box. While this game doesn't seem to have anything broken, it makes people go "WTF". Again I don't care about the scores but at can see were someone would question.

So you don't care about scores, yet you have spent time comparing them to other games? I call bullshit. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't have invested time in finding out the scores, let alone comparing the relative merit of said score in relation to other games.
 
The participating "journalists" and the fanboys should be locked together in a closed room forever.

The journalists themselves are irresponsible and acting like Rush Limbaugh when they only emphasize one side of the story. Paying exclusive attention to these extreme cases will only encourage them and further distort the general gamers' image (like the Bush administration vs Islam).

At the end of the day, Ben Fritz is no better than joe in Adam Sessler's video.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Oh, that's totally confirmed. An _oddly_ high percentage of Nintendo fans are conservatives, particularly religious social conservatives.
thinking of anyone in particular :lol

oh, and, "I'm sorry, but..." is the most annoying construct in English. Unless you ACTUALLY ARE SORRY. And if you are a fanboy on a message board, nO YOU ARENT OMG
 
squicken said:
Article:
Well the guy is passionate about a game he likes. People do with movies that do not get their just do, like The Dark Knight. You should see the hate David Chen from slashfilm got when he talks about TDK.
 
Dax01 said:
At least they aren't as bad as those Halo 3 fans.
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outunderthestars said:
So you don't care about scores, yet you have spent time comparing them to other games? I call bullshit. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't have invested time in finding out the scores, let alone comparing the relative merit of said score in relation to other games.

This is Neogaf dude how am I not going to see scores of games and there game ranking? There in pretty much every offical thread, get out here with this crap. I have yet to make a single angry review post in any KZ2 thread hell or any thread. I just posed a question,now I may not have worded it as good as this:

jjasper said:
I will say that there does seem to be a problem in that it seems sometimes that certain games do get a pass in reviews while others are viewed more stringently. Not saying this is a bias towards a publisher and or game maker just something happens both to exclusive and none exclusive games.

But this was pretty much, what I was getting at.
 
I don't know about Sony fanboys resembling Rush Limbaugh, but I'd say it's more like Sony fanboys are starting to become the new Gamecube-era Nintendo fanboys.
 
neojubei said:
Well the guy is passionate about a game he likes. People do with movies that do not get their just do, like The Dark Knight. You should see the hate David Chen from slashfilm got when he talks about TDK.

Sorry, passion doesn't excuse retardation.
 
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4586.html

Holy shiiiiiiiiiiitttttt. And he even has the temerity to say that Edge is the reason why games journalism isn't taken seriously, the effects that his retarded fanboy rant will have completely flying over his head. Some choice quotes, all emphasis his:

we're not about to question if there are legitimate reasons

this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie.

We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made

"know" was italicised in the above quote.

You are not allowed to indulge your massive ego in an underhanded attempt at getting attention.

irony meter explodes.
 
badcrumble said:
I would hope people don't look forward to Heavy Rain as anything but a polished, artsy, gorgeous niche title, same as Trico will almost certainly be. Uncharted 2 is a sequel to an existing PS3 property. God of War 3 on the other hand is probably something that minority within the Sony crowd who look for a 'savior' will probably see as one, seeing as it's coming off of a proven and vastly popular PS2 franchise and is possibly the biggest jewel in Sony's crown. The KZ2-gifs-in-every-thread crowd is nuts and full of said minority, but really I think most PS3-only folks are just looking forward to games without subscribing to the illusion that those games will magically catapult the PS3 to first place.

As you are touching on the difference is that because God of War comes from an existing franchise with a strong base it will draw much less annoyance all around. Same with MGS 4 when it came out.

Killzone because the first was so average and any other new exclusive property will draw this level of fan boy love/hate.
 
The real question is, if you already "know" the game is good. Then why do you care if someone gives it a bad review?
 
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