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Biggest industry fuck ups this generation?
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Warm Machine
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RROD didn't stop MS from becoming the leader of the HD/Next gen gaming race.
BRD in PS3 has placed Sony in distance 3rd due to machine cost and manufacturing problems. You can put Cell in on that pile too as the investment hasn't been worth the payout.
I wouldn't call Blu-Ray a success until it actually becomes one by chewing up at least 15% of DVD sales which is three years or more away.
BRD in PS3 has placed Sony in distance 3rd due to machine cost and manufacturing problems. You can put Cell in on that pile too as the investment hasn't been worth the payout.
I wouldn't call Blu-Ray a success until it actually becomes one by chewing up at least 15% of DVD sales which is three years or more away.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
fanboi said:
Sacrificing one market for another = smart.
They gambled, yes, and they have pretty much won the HD-war against Toshiba, but we have yet to see if they won anything else. We don't know how popular Blu-Ray will end up being, and we don't know how much money it will make for Sony in the long run. Don't forget that Blu-Ray is supported by more than one company, and more than one company will make money off it.fanboi said:
The one thing we do know is that they perform significantly worse than they estimated. How "smart" the decisions around the PS3 were can be seen by how fast Crazy Ken was disposed of.
nelsonroyale
Member
PS3 with high price
360 with worst reliability ever...its ridiculous
LAIR, far too rough
360 with worst reliability ever...its ridiculous
LAIR, far too rough
Apocryphon
Member
AKS said:
Is it still cool to hate EA?
DangerStepp
Member
You and me both, brother.Choke on the Magic said:
And the rest of GAF
DangerStepp
Member
I must know who that girl in your avatar is.Big-E said:
DangerStepp said:
I'm in a similar boat. I've purchased over 150 games for the PS1+PS2 and have used Sony platforms as my primary gaming console for a decade (never even owned an Xbox, and just picked up an N64 a couple years back). However, because if the lack of games and outrageous price, the PS3 is the only current gen console I DON't own. Coming into this gen, I never in a million years thought I would be dedicating most of my next-gen playtime to the 360 (with Wii satisfying my Nintendo cravings).
I will eventually get a PS3 when some must have games finally come out (MGS4, FFXIII). However, unless the exclusives REALLY pick up, I can't see the PS3 ever being my main console this gen.
Coolio McAwesome
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There have only been two significant fuck-ups this generation that stand head and shoulders above all others.
1) The PS3's $599 price tag and Sony's underlying arrogance
2) Microsoft's faulty hardware
1) The PS3's $599 price tag and Sony's underlying arrogance
2) Microsoft's faulty hardware
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
1. 360 reliability
2. PS3 launch price
3. Nintendo online
4. MS throwing massive amounts of money at Mistwalker
2. PS3 launch price
3. Nintendo online
4. MS throwing massive amounts of money at Mistwalker
Anth said:
Seriously, increasing the user base which can buy the game by over 200% seems a lot more important to me than some angry fanboy letters. Certainly not a fuck-up, actually a good decision. I'm sure Konami wishes it had the same situation for MGS4.
I have no problem with multi-platform games, but exclusive games will almost always look better (hi CoD4), and I think that's something that should be factored into the equation.
Choke on the Magic
Banned
Ponn01 said:
You should. I've never paid money for any backgrounds.
Anth said:
Just because you grant a new user base the opportunity to purchase something does not necessarily mean that said "new" userbase will run out and buy it.
Quite frankly the only thing I've heard from the 360 side is "Yay, I'm glad the game went multi-plat! We took an exclusive game from Sony! However, I was never a fan of the series anyways so I probably won't buy it."
Regardless, the OP asked for our opinion on what we individually thought was an industry screw-up, and I gave my own personal opinion on that matter.
Choke on the Magic
Banned
levious said:
Oh shit. No we're not. My bad dude. I was talking about PSN. That's crap that they make you pay for backgrounds. Are at least sweet backgrounds?
Chû Totoro
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- Wii online
- Nintendo only making systems for their games like always (they should help and support 3rd party dev more)
- easy DS piracy
- PS3 no rumble controller
- PS3 launch price
- PS3 different SKUs
- 360 RROD
- 360 different SKUs
- Nintendo only making systems for their games like always (they should help and support 3rd party dev more)
- easy DS piracy
- PS3 no rumble controller
- PS3 launch price
- PS3 different SKUs
- 360 RROD
- 360 different SKUs
Choke on the Magic
Banned
levious said:
Don't give them anymore of your money for backgrounds then. That sucks. I would check out the RH 3 one if I could. My bro's 360 is on hiatus again.
squatingyeti
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fanboi said:
Yes, but you don't know how much it has cost Sony to actually win that market. At the rate of BD movie sales, it will take them another ~5 years to probably break even on all of this. If you want to sit with your fingers in your ears and your brain on hibernate, then you can ignore the colossal amounts of money Sony has spent to woo studios and make BD the winner.
Furthermore, if it does take ~5 years to become profitable on BD, what if there's something replacing it before that? Also, in ~5 years, the PS3 will be winding down it's service (especially if its still in 3rd. The maker doesn't decide the shelf life of a product, the CONSUMER does. Get that through people) and they could have experienced a major slapping of their market share and possibly even put themselves in a videogame hole for another generation (ala N64-Gamecube).
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Chemo said:
Thead is pretty much over now.
i'm going to say 3rd parties brushing off the Wii. seriously, with the proper marketing and good games, 3rd parties could tap a goldmine. however, right now they're selling such cheap crap that 300k is a riproaring success. if games like SPM, TP, Red Steel, and SMG are any indication, there is a pretty big market for hardcore games that are advertised. hell, Nintendo themselves admit that the core gamer demographic makes up the MAJORITY of the Wii userbase, why not shoot for it?
So you believe the 360 version will sell < 10.000 copies?Aurvant said:
Yeah, but it has to be an actual screw-up to qualify. Unless you really believe the 360 version of DMC4 won't sell, it just isn't a screw-up. And given the console migration this gen (from PS2 to 360), that seems like an unlikely scenario to me. People who bitch about a game on that game's offical forums are usually so hardcore that they will end up buying the game regardless of what they have said before, as long as it's halfway decent.
Biggest ones would be:
599: you know why
Friend codes: you also know why
RROD: another no brainer
Nintendo targeting the casual gamer audience: death of gaming imminent since no one will buy games like NMH or Zack and Wiki ever again with the Wii being the PS2 of the generation. No hardcore audience means no hardcore games.
599: you know why
Friend codes: you also know why
RROD: another no brainer
Nintendo targeting the casual gamer audience: death of gaming imminent since no one will buy games like NMH or Zack and Wiki ever again with the Wii being the PS2 of the generation. No hardcore audience means no hardcore games.
InterMoniker
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Hmmmm I'm interested to see the sales of DMC4 more than any other game. I'd expect it to sell more on ps3 but we'll see.Quazar said:
speculationsquatingyeti said:
TheRagnCajun
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MS: RROD ~billions of dollars wasted
Ninty: Zelda:TP realeasing on Wii first ~huge slap in the face to GC gamers who put up with the delays.
Sony: $600 ~ The PS3 is not a computer. Its a media center, at best, but mostly just a gaming machine like the 360. Too much money for a gaming machine.
Ninty: Zelda:TP realeasing on Wii first ~huge slap in the face to GC gamers who put up with the delays.
Sony: $600 ~ The PS3 is not a computer. Its a media center, at best, but mostly just a gaming machine like the 360. Too much money for a gaming machine.
Anth: I would hardly call 16 million consoles worldwide in 2 years a console migration. If anything, and this is looking at all three console providers, the overall real consumer base is waiting for the HD Next-gen era to become more and more appealing before diving in to the new age.
The PS2 is -still- selling quite well for a system that has reached its 8th year on the market and it has...what....like 130 million consoles in homes worldwide? I am willing to bet that the last gen adopters haven't even begun to consider upgrading until later on this year when more price cuts will come and better games start appearing on the next-gen consoles.
The Wii and the PS3 are in a better position in this regards because both of them are just at the end of their first year cycle (with the PS3 just being out little over a half-year in European countries) and are seeing a nice surge in sales and better titles than the launch era. Besides, the 360 was the first new console on the market by a whole year without any next-gen competition so it's headstart is....well....lackluster when you compare the Wii and the PS3 sales (which had to compete on two fronts instead of zero like the 360) to the 360.
If anything I would say that we PS3 and Wii owners are still considered a part of the "early adopters" group and that the vast majority of gamers have yet to even consider choosing a next-gen console of choice. As it stands right now the last adopters remain "undecided"
The PS2 is -still- selling quite well for a system that has reached its 8th year on the market and it has...what....like 130 million consoles in homes worldwide? I am willing to bet that the last gen adopters haven't even begun to consider upgrading until later on this year when more price cuts will come and better games start appearing on the next-gen consoles.
The Wii and the PS3 are in a better position in this regards because both of them are just at the end of their first year cycle (with the PS3 just being out little over a half-year in European countries) and are seeing a nice surge in sales and better titles than the launch era. Besides, the 360 was the first new console on the market by a whole year without any next-gen competition so it's headstart is....well....lackluster when you compare the Wii and the PS3 sales (which had to compete on two fronts instead of zero like the 360) to the 360.
If anything I would say that we PS3 and Wii owners are still considered a part of the "early adopters" group and that the vast majority of gamers have yet to even consider choosing a next-gen console of choice. As it stands right now the last adopters remain "undecided"