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Bill OReilly Slams PS3 Launch
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He sort of does have a point. I've spent 60 hours on Okami so far and have enjoyed myself, but sometimes I've felt slightly obsessed with it and really don't want to play games for more than 30 minutes a day, if that much, until my real life challenges are triumphed. Plus Zelda's out tomorrow, FF12 and FF3 are out....I seriously don't think I should play them...
I love games, but a big reason is escapism, not fun the from games itself.
That being said, watching most TV, movies, reading stupid stuff online will leave you more of a zombie than playing video games.
I love games, but a big reason is escapism, not fun the from games itself.
That being said, watching most TV, movies, reading stupid stuff online will leave you more of a zombie than playing video games.
inpHilltr8r
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Like Bill.TobitheCat said:
Stoney Mason
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Mikazuki said:
That common sense bit of advice applies to everything underneath the sun (including listening to his radio show or watching his tv show) which is why his point would clearly benefit from a master of the obvious pic.
Bill's next show: "People also shouldn't drink and drive". That's Bill O'Reilly bringing you safety tips we all learned once our brains developed.
Square2005
Banned
What are you talking about?Stoney Mason said:
The mainstream media elites are the ones afraid of common sense and the shrinking monopoly they've had controlling the way Americans think over the past few decades.
There's a reason why Fox News has ratings twice as high as CNN & MSNBC combined.
But that's another discussion...
Stoney Mason
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Square2005 said:
Fixed.
mckmas8808 said:
Yes there is nothing wrong with being good at games vs. being good at a sport; I was the nerd guy that was good at videogames in the 70ies for what matters (and it wasn't a good time for that).
The angle at which I'm seeing this, and perhaps at which this mr. is looking also, is that for some (I know some myself) it continues to be that way well beyond the age at which you can go on wasting your time all day.
I am glad I didn't continue playing DnD four times a week, as much as I am happy I don't game every day five hours anymore -- I still enjoy games and talking about them, but it's only a part of my life. A part I indulge to only when I don't have more important things to do, and I know very well that even if I saved the world + princess countless times, that doesn't make me any better in real life. Perhaps a little less stressed, or a little more entertained, yes.
Um i really hate myself for saying this but i agree with some of his points. This time he isnt too far away from the truth, how many ****ing hours have we all poured playing ****ing videogames instead of studying and doing something productive with our lives. Well i did at least. When this hobby goes out of control it ****s your life up, much the same way weed does by making you lazy or simply wasting your time. this thread has generated alot of Denial, you all lose 
Square2005
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Thanks for another straw man fallacy,Stoney Mason said:
Add that to the list of fallacies posted so far:
ad hominem attacks
red herrings
and guilt by association
So which will be used in the next post?
O'Reilly is a douche-hat to the max, but he's not too wide of the mark on this one, in general.
He's basically saying that the whole subset of our generation that just plays videogames all the time, and don't fit it into a more cohesive life with other hobbies, a social life, school, etc. are going to be ****ed.
And I agree with him.
He's basically saying that the whole subset of our generation that just plays videogames all the time, and don't fit it into a more cohesive life with other hobbies, a social life, school, etc. are going to be ****ed.
And I agree with him.
Greenpanda
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Sorry, gamers, but O'Reilly's pretty much OTM with this one.
Stoney Mason
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WARCOCK said:
Key Factor
Stoney Mason
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Square2005 said:
Yes your right. You've used them all.
Square2005
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Just trying to have a decent discussion w/o all the unnecessary name calling that seems to be so common among the secular-progressives (as O'Reilly calls them).puck1337 said:
Stoney Mason
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WARCOCK said:
Check your ego dude. I could care less if you were the president of the United States. If you have a problem regulating your video game playing that's your problem. Not everyone is like you. In the same way that some people have problems controlling their drinking, their drug use, their religion, the amount of sex they need, their whatever.
People love to extrapolate their own life experience to everyone and that is simply not the case. Of course some people have problems playing video games too much. Their are billions of time wasters people waste their time on and as far as social issues video game ain't my number one concern. People need to worry about cleaning up their own issues before they start telling other people what to be concerned about.
In addition O'Reilly points were much better elucidated with some actual intelligence and forethought by hundreds of others in the past. To pick just one at random the late Neil Postman who argues roughly the same topics without the hysteria and political bias tossed in.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GDJustin said:
Again how many people that own PS2s or Xbox 360s do nothing in life? How many? Please answer this question before you make an assumtion like Bill O is right about this one.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
WARCOCK said:
So let me get this straight with the ones that think Bill O is right.
Are you saying the average gamer has less than a 2.0 GPA in middle or high school or college?
Are you saying that the average gamer has no job or a low paying job?
And are you saying that these two things are due to them playing videogames?
What a God damn ****ing idiot. Does this moron not realize that computer geeks are the life blood of the modern military?
Does this blathering wind bag realize how much the military spends advertising on G4, IGN, and to the gaming community? The modern military is highly technical and is desperate for "computer geeks." It's people like Bill O'Reilly who are befuddled by computers and technology that are of little use to the military.
Does this blathering wind bag realize how much the military spends advertising on G4, IGN, and to the gaming community? The modern military is highly technical and is desperate for "computer geeks." It's people like Bill O'Reilly who are befuddled by computers and technology that are of little use to the military.
X26 said:
Sounds like MGS2's theme. :lol Somebody to get Bill to play Sons of Liberty.
WARCOCK said:Um i really hate myself for saying this but i agree with some of his points. This time he isnt too far away from the truth, how many ****ing hours have we all poured playing ****ing videogames instead of studying and doing something productive with our lives. Well i did at least. When this hobby goes out of control it ****s your life up, much the same way weed does by making you lazy or simply wasting your time. this thread has generated alot of Denial, you all lose
Um. If your that addicted to videogames in general, then you have the problem. But it's nice to devote yourself and escape into a great game every once in awhile. I look forward to it. The hardware's simply hype for the experiences it promises ahead.
Err... everything can become a "drug" if not used in moderation. God damn... why am I even commenting his ludicrous blurbs? He and his "kind" are what's wrong with America, or any other country for that matter. Can't we just ship of these dumbasses on a one way trip to the sun or something? :|Bill O'Reilly said:
He he... is he amish or something?Bill O'Reilly said:
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
This was one of his more reasonable rants. He's generalizing, but he's not completely wrong actually. I can see where he comes from, but not all games do that and not all gamers are swayed by the ones that do obviously. The problem exists though.
typhonsentra
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Why does he demonize the iPod so much, yet use podcasts and a picture of an iPod as an example of the premium content you can get for joining his site?
Joe Molotov
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typhonsentra said:
Because he's a old man.
Seaniefresh101
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I wonder if this came on the same show where he and Glen Beck discussed whether or not Vermont belongs in the United States after voting a Socialist into the US Senate.
Let's remember that this is the guy that way back during his Inside Edition days said after a piece on the new and hot Nintendo Entertainment System that this stuff was beyond him as he had trouble with Lincoln Logs.
The thing is as someone else pointed out, the military does pump quite a bit of money into advertising towards gamers and also have spent money to help development on some games. Quite a large number of military members are avid gamers themselves and love gaming as a way to escape the reality they have been pressed into.
We live in a time that is dangerous, depressing and somewhat overwhelming so people want to escape. To say that some people live in this world 24/7 is pushing things a bit to prove a point. There are people out there now and throuhout time that have been obsessed with one thing or another to the point that became the focus of their life. Most of us use gaming as our form of entertainment as opposed to listening to 4 hours of talk radio or watching a one hour rant on Fox.
With all of that said, the PS3 lines were crazy and the stories that came from many of them were even crazier so we should expect that there are going to be some head shaking commentary pointed at the gaming culture.
Enjoy.
Let's remember that this is the guy that way back during his Inside Edition days said after a piece on the new and hot Nintendo Entertainment System that this stuff was beyond him as he had trouble with Lincoln Logs.
The thing is as someone else pointed out, the military does pump quite a bit of money into advertising towards gamers and also have spent money to help development on some games. Quite a large number of military members are avid gamers themselves and love gaming as a way to escape the reality they have been pressed into.
We live in a time that is dangerous, depressing and somewhat overwhelming so people want to escape. To say that some people live in this world 24/7 is pushing things a bit to prove a point. There are people out there now and throuhout time that have been obsessed with one thing or another to the point that became the focus of their life. Most of us use gaming as our form of entertainment as opposed to listening to 4 hours of talk radio or watching a one hour rant on Fox.
With all of that said, the PS3 lines were crazy and the stories that came from many of them were even crazier so we should expect that there are going to be some head shaking commentary pointed at the gaming culture.
Enjoy.
Stoney Mason
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typhonsentra said:
:lol
Generalizing is an understatement. He's saying that the "drugs" are the cause of addictions. He's blindly flailing at technology, as it was to blame. Finding out the cause of an addiction is a tough and complex process. I hate shallow debates, and his show isn't even a debate. It's a sensationalistic, one way, narrow minded banter with no actual effort to reach a solid conclusion, it doesnt even try to scratch the surface of the problem with different addictionsAzelover said:
And yes, I totally agree with you. The problem exists.
Argh... it's tough to formulate a English sentence being Swedish and all. I hope I got my point through; Bill is a troll/flamer with nothing really constructive to say.
Just wanted to get that off my chest. I hate Bill for not being able to intelligently back up his vague statements.
(EDIT) But yeah. Ignore my post. I'm taking this idiot way to seriously
inpHilltr8r
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Because he's a hypocritical unthinking reactionary old twat, who talks out of his arse because his audience love to munch scat.typhonsentra said:
Stoney Mason
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Cdammen said:
You did fine.
That would be great if his entire web team decided to not publish or sell his shit online anymore. :lol The Bill O'Reilly empire is run by computer geeks.
The problem is that looking at the couple hundred thousand people who thought it was a good idea to wait outside for a week to get a PS3 and try to use them as representatives of the hundred million Americans who have ipods and play video games is a mistake. Yeah maybe you could make an argument that the few hardcore people who waited in line and got into fist fights have their lives and priorities out of whack, but to use them as representative of the whole or even the majority is a huge mistake.
iPods are not a "Big big problem" anymore than the Walkman was. If anything podcasting spreads knowledge and information to people that has absolutely nothing to do with fantasy. The PS3 is no more dangerous to society than the Atari 2600 was. This is just another opportunity to grab onto the topic of the day and try to create a bigger story out of it by claiming the sky is falling. It's good for O'Reilly cause it will get him attention and ratings ("Did he really say that? Let me hear!") and it helps Sony sell more Playstations cause it keeps them in the headlines. If the man really cared about this "issue" he would have approached it at a time that was less advantageous to building his own viewership/listenership. The man who tells his viewers every day to log onto his website for the "time of their lives" and to download his podcast now wants people to be anti-technology because a bunch of buffoons acted like animals when trying to grab the big holiday toy.
The problem is that looking at the couple hundred thousand people who thought it was a good idea to wait outside for a week to get a PS3 and try to use them as representatives of the hundred million Americans who have ipods and play video games is a mistake. Yeah maybe you could make an argument that the few hardcore people who waited in line and got into fist fights have their lives and priorities out of whack, but to use them as representative of the whole or even the majority is a huge mistake.
iPods are not a "Big big problem" anymore than the Walkman was. If anything podcasting spreads knowledge and information to people that has absolutely nothing to do with fantasy. The PS3 is no more dangerous to society than the Atari 2600 was. This is just another opportunity to grab onto the topic of the day and try to create a bigger story out of it by claiming the sky is falling. It's good for O'Reilly cause it will get him attention and ratings ("Did he really say that? Let me hear!") and it helps Sony sell more Playstations cause it keeps them in the headlines. If the man really cared about this "issue" he would have approached it at a time that was less advantageous to building his own viewership/listenership. The man who tells his viewers every day to log onto his website for the "time of their lives" and to download his podcast now wants people to be anti-technology because a bunch of buffoons acted like animals when trying to grab the big holiday toy.
Stoney Mason
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Teddie Ruxpin, Cabbage Patch kids, and Tickle Me Elmo hate America.
Rabbit Lord
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Looking at some of the threads here.(like the GS Zelda review)...
Yea Bill is right.
Yea Bill is right.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
iPod is the devil lol.
MadOdorMachine
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Quick someone tell George Bush we found an answer to terrorism. America needs to team up with Sony and infiltrate Iraq with Playstations.X26 said:
speculawyer
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Who listens to the wind bag of lies and stupidity?
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/billoreilly
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/billoreilly
CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
It's just another old guy yelling about the kids on his lawn. Even with that old pastiche, he's still managed to troll a lot of you Gaffers. Maybe he's right. Think about it-- if gamers can be trolled so easily by an old man bitching about the inevitable changes in society, maybe we are a bunch of know-nots. :lol
In other news, Sean Hannity is pro-PS3 and pro-gaming. Neal Bortz and Laura Ingraham are anti-gaming. That doesn't lead us to any solid conclusions, though. If we're going to make the analogy, I would suggest that Playstation 3 owners are like the Democrats, with a larger percentage of the population. Xboxers are clearly the Republicans. Republicans are evil, Microsoft is evil, therefore, Xbox owners are Republicans. Finally, Nintendo is most like the Green party. Not sure why, but it seems to fit in my view.
In other news, Sean Hannity is pro-PS3 and pro-gaming. Neal Bortz and Laura Ingraham are anti-gaming. That doesn't lead us to any solid conclusions, though. If we're going to make the analogy, I would suggest that Playstation 3 owners are like the Democrats, with a larger percentage of the population. Xboxers are clearly the Republicans. Republicans are evil, Microsoft is evil, therefore, Xbox owners are Republicans. Finally, Nintendo is most like the Green party. Not sure why, but it seems to fit in my view.
ferrarimanf355
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In slightly related news, Media Matters is declaring the John Edwards PS3 story to be a non-issue...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200611170012
News at 11...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200611170012
News at 11...
Oh and another thing. All the gamers I know my age are rather wealthy computer programmers. I know it's anecdotal, but I don't think you can really say that someone that has $600+ to spend on a videogame machine is a "have not", in fact I'd say having that much disposable income would qualify you to be out of the "have not" category.
He is right about the haves and have nots, but the have nots are too busy working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet , not standing in line for PS3s.
He is right about the haves and have nots, but the have nots are too busy working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet , not standing in line for PS3s.