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[MisterNugNug]

In my mind he wasn't defending her at all. Because if you listen, Bill says he agrees with Sandy Rios, he thinks she's correct that even though JC Penny/Ellen Degeneres haven't done anything CRIMINALLY wrong, its still morally wrong. He states multiple times in the segment that its simply a "business deal" and agrees that "mainstreaming homosexuality" is a "serious problem in the culture" @ the 4:59 mark.

 

[Monocle]

In my mind he wasn't defending her at all. Because if you listen, Bill says he agrees with Sandy Rios, he thinks she's correct that even though JC Penny/Ellen Degeneres haven't done anything CRIMINALLY wrong, its still morally wrong. He states multiple times in the segment that its simply a "business deal" and agrees that "mainstreaming homosexuality" is a "serious problem in the culture" @ the 4:59 mark.

Oh, good. I didn't inadvertently enter a parallel dimension in which Bill occasionally gives in to his urge to utter something reasonable.

 

[AngryMoth]

I know its Fox, but I never ceases to disgust me that homophobes are given air time to discuss their view on American tv.

 

[Necromanti]

Rios asserted that the problem lies with DeGeneres’ personal choice to “act out her lesbian lifestyle and marry her partner, and what that represents.”

The right to personal liberty?

 

[JaggedSac]

This is just a case of one of his ideals being more important than another. That being a group of outside people should not be able to dictate what a business should or should not do in any fashion other than deciding to shop or not to shop at that business.

 

[ascii42]

Oh, good. I didn't inadvertently enter a parallel dimension in which Bill occasionally gives in to his urge to utter something reasonable.

Have you ever seen him when he goes on the Daily Show. His interviews with John Stewart are always interesting. He is a lot more reasonable than he acts on Fox News.

 

[Souldriver]

Lol, he's not really defending her though. It's just that this one time he gives priority to another ideal than his disapproval of gays and lesbians. There's still lots of "homosexuality is morally wrong" and "Ellen's flaunting her sexuality" bullshit being vomited here.


Oh, and I really dislike that because this douche for once would be right on something, his opinion gets more weight and opinion than that of any other random person.

 

[cousins]

In my mind he wasn't defending her at all. Because if you listen, Bill says he agrees with Sandy Rios, he thinks she's correct that even though JC Penny/Ellen Degeneres haven't done anything CRIMINALLY wrong, its still morally wrong. He states multiple times in the segment that its simply a "business deal" and agrees that "mainstreaming homosexuality" is a "serious problem in the culture" @ the 4:59 mark.

Well, I'm bummed now.

Edit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/bill-oreilly-prop-8-judicial-activism_n_1262368.html

yup, still a scumbag.

 

[Gr1mLock]

what the fu... nah..some elaborate liberal media hoax. Cgi and whatnot

 

[Pinzer]

nvm

 

[gutter_trash]

Bill-O !!! you awesome

 

[IdreamofHIME]

I'd boycott as well, but not coz she's a lesbian.

Their campaign should have focused on her being a terrible interviewer and very unfunny.

 

[TheSeks]

Quick, someone get the weather report from Hell

Spoiler

MI

, it must be freezing there!

 

[shamanick]

What is this blasphemy?

 

[triplestation]

"I sense there's still good in you." Jon Stewart to Bill O'Reilly.

Dude, for reals..

 

[LosDaddie]

*sigh*

It's "Christians" like this Sany lady why I don't vote Repub anymore.

 

[Maxim726X]

Bill "You Can't Explain That" O'Reilly came down on the right side of an important issue? What planet am I on?

Incidentally: I'm flashing back to that one thread where certain posters were feigning ignorance about the way conservative bigots use the stigmatizing term "gay lifestyle" to construct an imaginary category of immoral sex fiends that encompasses all openly gay people.

I actually think he's wrong.

I can start an activist group stating that I won't shop at X because Y is representing them publicly. It's up to X to decide whether or not my group is worth giving a shit about.

And to be clear, this 'Million Moms' group is fucking crazy and so is their stance. But they have every right to come out and say they won't get behind a spokesperson that they morally disagree with.

 

[YoungHav]

Whenever Bill O' goes off-script and says something right, I am always baffled. Frankly I am extremely annoyed at the JC Penney/Ellen backlash.

 

[Nekofrog]

Have you ever seen him when he goes on the Daily Show. His interviews with John Stewart are always interesting. He is a lot more reasonable than he acts on Fox News.

The Bill O'Reilly on his TV show and in his books isn't the real Bill O'Reilly. That's just a character he plays to make money off of stupid hardline conservatives.

At least, that's my take on everything.

 

[Skiptastic]

Bet it would surprise people even more that Glenn Beck defends Ellen as well.

 

[Messypandas]

when Bill is right, it makes news

 

[jmdajr]

I don't think Bill has ever been anti-gay

 

[RSP]

How did the moon get there

 

[Dyno]

O'Reilly's occassional deviation from the conservative script is always informative because it highlights the ongoing shift American mainstream is making to the right.

O'Reilly has been doing his Fox show for over 15 years now. When he started he was a staunchly conservative host with extreme right views. Has that change? No. Has the metric by which we measure extreme right views changed? Quite a bit! O'Reilly no longer occupies the extreme end of the spectrum, other hosts have taken the ball and run with it, so now O'Reilly has spurts of moderation on certain issues. His views and values haven't changed very much but everything around him has.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I always thought that the difference between Bill and say, Hannity or Beck, is that Bill is genuine. Yes he's a moron. Yes he's wrong a lot of the time. But he believes what he says. He thinks he knows it all. He's like a real life Ron Burgandy. Hannity is just a salesmen pushing an agenda, and he'll say whatever he has to in order to accomplish that, even if he knows he's full of it or being a massive hypocrit.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

Wait, what?

Someone took his smart pills this morning.

Bill O'Reilly isn't as bad as the internet makes him out to be. I don't like him, but that is just my observation.

 

[kingocfs]

"Ellen has chosen to act out her lesbian lifestyle..."

Fuck that woman.

 

[Jasoneyu]

I actually think he's wrong.

I can start an activist group stating that I won't shop at X because Y is representing them publicly. It's up to X to decide whether or not my group is worth giving a shit about.

And to be clear, this 'Million Moms' group is fucking crazy and so is their stance. But they have every right to come out and say they won't get behind a spokesperson that they morally disagree with.

What I think bill was getting at wasn't that the Million Mom's stance on Ellen should or should not be heard. Instead, it was the fact that they demanded that she be fired directly by JC Penny instead of protesting JC Penny's decision. It is not up to the public to decide the hiring/firing practices of corporations but they are fully within their right to voice their opinion of them.

The Million Mom's stance is crazy by the way. I think people really need to get away from the notion that Homosexuality = sexual/moral deviant that corrupts society.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Bill O' Reilly really isn't as right wing as people seem to think. His problem is that he is an insanely stubborn, blatantly racist, hyperbolic manchild. Most of the hate from him comes from the fact that when he constantly interrupts his guests during interviews and speaks in an insanely hostile tone not much different from a pre-teen throwing a temper-tantrum and thus he is rewarded by the unintelligent masses he markets to as being an intellectual. There's also the fact that he lies about almost everything.

 

[Derwind]

In my mind he wasn't defending her at all. Because if you listen, Bill says he agrees with Sandy Rios, he thinks she's correct that even though JC Penny/Ellen Degeneres haven't done anything CRIMINALLY wrong, its still morally wrong. He states multiple times in the segment that its simply a "business deal" and agrees that "mainstreaming homosexuality" is a "serious problem in the culture" @ the 4:59 mark.

Oh well, now I'm pissed, I was actually warming up to the prick.

Bet it would surprise people even more that Glenn Beck defends Ellen as well.

 

[Neuromancer]

In my mind he wasn't defending her at all. Because if you listen, Bill says he agrees with Sandy Rios, he thinks she's correct that even though JC Penny/Ellen Degeneres haven't done anything CRIMINALLY wrong, its still morally wrong. He states multiple times in the segment that its simply a "business deal" and agrees that "mainstreaming homosexuality" is a "serious problem in the culture" @ the 4:59 mark.

I knew it was too good to be true.

 

[Wildesy]

"the culture war"...

What.the.fuck?

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

Considering just how much crap O'Reilly has peddled over the years, I'm not too eager to commend him just for being a decent and normal person. However, if this indicates any sort of shift in his viewpoints, I'm glad to see it.

Edit: I guess it doesn't. Oh well.

 

[ReBurn]

It's like everything we were ever thought to be true is a lie!

 

[TestOfTide]

Bill O'Reilly isn't as bad as the internet makes him out to be. I don't like him, but that is just my observation.

O'Reilly's "sanity" is mostly just his ability to actually debate to some degree, unlike most of the people on fox. O'Reilly will often rely on being over-adamant when he is wrong, but he's so far the only Fox News host that can, for example, actually talk with Jon Stewart without looking like a a complete idealogical idiot.

 

[Previous]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Bet it would surprise people even more that Glenn Beck defends Ellen as well.

Now THIS is shocking.

 

[Prologue]

Funny thing is, she doesn't even make it obvious that she's gay. What is the big deal then? I've been watching her on and off for the past year and just found out she was gay a few days ago.

 

[TheContact]

Out of all the Fox "News" guys, Bill is the most sensible.

 

[HyperBitHero]

I fucking love Smarties.

 

[Dude Abides]

Now THIS is shocking.

I don't think so. Both Beck and O'Reilly have a personal financial interest in the notion that third parties should have no say in who a company hires to be a talking head or spokesperson.

 

[water_wendi]

Now THIS is shocking.

i have to admit i am shocked as well.

 

[NullPointer]

Good for Bill.

 

[state-of-the-art]

Out of all the Fox "News" guys, Bill is the most sensible.

You're damning him with faint praise.

 

[patapuf]

are the One Million Moms some kind of ultra konservative christian organisation?

do they have any political power or are they just a small group out for attention?

 

[andymcc]

are the One Million Moms some kind of ultra konservative christian organisation?

do they have any political power or are they just a small group out for attention?

they're a group of one million moms dude.

 

[LosDaddie]

Out of all the Fox "News" guys, Bill is the most sensible.

No. That would be Shepard Smith.

I don't think so. Both Beck and O'Reilly have a personal financial interest in the notion that third parties should have no say in who a company hires to be a talking head or spokesperson.

Correct. This is essentially the same argument both gave in defend Hank Williams Jr.

 

[Volimar]

I actually think he's wrong.

I can start an activist group stating that I won't shop at X because Y is representing them publicly. It's up to X to decide whether or not my group is worth giving a shit about.

And to be clear, this 'Million Moms' group is fucking crazy and so is their stance. But they have every right to come out and say they won't get behind a spokesperson that they morally disagree with.

Yeah that's what Bill says too. He says it's their right to say they won't shop there (and why), but that it was wrong for them to demand she be fired.

they're a group of one million moms dude.

Anyone got some hard numbers on this claim?

 

[Plywood]

Out of all the Fox "News" guys, Bill is the most sensible.

Yep and I think his "friendship"(if you can call it that) with Stewart has swayed his views.

 

[patapuf]

they're a group of one million moms dude.

bleh. imagining one million moms actually being angry at this is way too depressing