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I have no idea who this guy is (I'm from the UK so this might be a US specific thing)

But I read that like a bloody Onion piece. Being AVclub doesn't help.

You mean that was a *real* person saying those things and not a pisstake? fuck.
 
Tristam said:
I'm going to assume you aren't being sarcastic here: I figured for those who hadn't figured out O'Reilly is a racist piece of shit anyways, this would remove any shadow of a doubt.

O'REILLY: "You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

To make it more clear for you: "It just totally blew my mind that black people were actually capable of conducting themselves in a civilized manner in a restaurant. I mean, look, they were just sitting there. Can you believe that? What's more, they were ordering and having fun. Seriously, just blew my mind."

Jaysus, if you can't recognize his comments as racist, you must think a white person remarking (in a surprised tone, no less) that Condi Rice is "certainly an articulate black woman" is actually complimenting her!
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Seems like you missed the entire point of his comment. As I said, listening to the clip he was building up to the point that there's no difference between the two - albeit not as articulate as he could have stated it. I'm no O'Reilly fan (although I find him entertaining for trainwreck value) but I'm not going to play dumb and make this into something it's not. If you want to, that's fine by me. I have better things to do than get pounced on by the wolves (or sheep?) tonight.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Seems like you missed the entire point of his comment. As I said, listening to the clip he was building up to the point that there's no difference between the two - albeit not as articulate as he could have stated it. I'm no O'Reilly fan (although I find him entertaining for trainwreck value) but I'm not going to play dumb and make this into something it's not. If you want to, that's fine by me. I have better things to do than get pounced on by the wolves (or sheep?) tonight.
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See, and the "differences" that presumably set apart white and black people (at least in this episode! stay tuned for more douchebaggery!) were their attitudes, language, and social conduct; for each count, the white man is the better man! Surprise, surprise! I'm not going to listen to the media file (I'd rather shut my dick in an oven), but plenty can be gleaned from the quotes even at the most basic level of inference.
 
Tristam said:
See, and the "differences" that presumably set apart white and black people (at least in this episode! stay tuned for more douchebaggery!) were their attitudes, language, and social conduct; for each count, the white man is the better man! Surprise, surprise! I'm not going to listen to the media file (I'd rather shut my dick in an oven), but plenty can be gleaned from the quotes even at the most basic level of inference.
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And there's the problem. Your mind was made up the minute you saw the thread. First thing I thought after seeing it was "what does the audio say?" It's easy to extract a couple minutes out of a conversation - ignoring all context - and turn it into something completely different.
 
PhoenixDark said:
And there's the problem. Your mind was made up the minute you saw the thread. First thing I thought after seeing it was "what does the audio say?" It's easy to extract a couple minutes out of a conversation - ignoring all context - and turn it into something completely different.
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It. doesn't. fucking. need. context: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."

No way! Black people sometimes address a waiter as something other than motherfucker? And they order iced tea as well? Lord, I thought it was just red drink or grape drink.

EDIT: And of course my mind was made up. O'Reilly's never given me any reason to believe he isn't a racist.
 
PhoenixDark said:
And there's the problem. Your mind was made up the minute you saw the thread. First thing I thought after seeing it was "what does the audio say?" It's easy to extract a couple minutes out of a conversation - ignoring all context - and turn it into something completely different.
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The article linked in the OP is pretty much says everything. And the blurbs are perfectly in context it's just a horribly dumb thing he said.


Even if his point is that black people and white people are the same it seems he just now realized that. It lets you know what his opinion of black people is.
 
O'REILLY: "You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

To make it more clear for you: "It just totally blew my mind that black people were actually capable of conducting themselves in a civilized manner in a restaurant. I mean, look, they were just sitting there. Can you believe that? What's more, they were ordering and having fun. Seriously, just blew my mind."
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wow - O`Reilly has never been in a restaurant where white folks were playing up?

Hmmm...
 
Is it possible that O'rielly is simply the product of a different age?

I am by no means defending what he is saying or saying that what he said is ok. However, I have relatives that are pretty racist themselves and grew up in that type of racist culture. I don't agree when they make comments like that about blacks (and actually abhor it), but I can't disown my own family...

Edit - Er, what I'm trying to get at is that these type of people won't change and it shouldn't be surprising that they say things like that. However, I am terribly surprised that he said that to such a wide and sometimes impressionable audience...
 
I can't believe Bill O'Reilly just sat down in a proper restaurant and ate. Not once did he yell at other patrons or bully them into silence.
 
Shawn128 said:
Is it possible that O'rielly is simply the product of a different age?

I am by no means defending what he is saying or saying that what he said is ok. However, I have relatives that are pretty racist themselves and grew up in that type of racist culture. I don't agree when they make comments like that about blacks (and actually abhor it), but I can't disown my own family...

Edit - Er, what I'm trying to get at is that these type of people won't change and it shouldn't be surprising that they say things like that. However, I am terribly surprised that he said that to such a wide and sometimes impressionable audience...
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Yeah I hear where you're coming from totally.
 
O'Reilly is a bigger slave to his followers than any politician. What he says and how he says it is crafted with them in mind. With that in mind, I don't think his message is particularly offensive -- he's marketing himself to the average ignorant viewer of his show, and he's showing his own ignorance and how it was wrong to these people.

It's a ridiculous thing to say, but maybe this revelation (how sad) will actually bring about something positive. Whatever the case, I didn't find it offensive so much as I found it incredulous.

ryutaro's mama said:
I once saw a black person whose culture wasn't dominated by "Twis-da", Ludacris or Snoop Dogg.
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Was his name Gulliver?
 
Tristam said:
Uh, I figure "slippery slope syndrome" is more of a problem when you advocate moral relativism and believe no goods or truths could -- nay, should -- be established.

Regardless, it does matter if he's a hate-mongering bigot: hate speech is a crime. Obviously you're reaching too far (at least by the court's standards) if you want to qualify O'Reilly's comments as "hate speech," so he isn't going to get into any trouble for his remarks.
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Well, what one person calls Hate Speech, another might not consider it. To me, I'd rather not let folks who speak put crap open their mouths, as we all know what'll come out of it. It's like when I see reports of where the KKK is doing a march somewhere. I wish that'd be illegal or something, but I know *It's Cannot be made Illegal*, despite their hate mongering ways.

The point is still valid: You can look at a piece of art and see a masterpiece. I might see crap on a canvas. You might listen to some music and call it the height of aural works. I might call it rubbish and want it burned. We each have what we all find acceptable and what is not. There is also the middle ground in which almost everyone, regardless of who you are, agrees that something is good or bad.

People like Don Imus and Bill O'Reilly have said stupid stuff over the years, some that made me, a fairly moderate & accepting person stop and say "Wait...what?" But even I know that the moment you pull the plug on any of these guys, it opens the door to others who *will* take it just one step further. That, then, leads to another who will take it one step further. This is an event we simply *cannot* let happen as it will lead to utter misery for us all.

Imagine if you will, being afraid to speak you mind. You know a woman from town is a horrible driver. She's been in several fender-benders over the years, gotten a few speeding tickets/reckless driver citations. She's double parked, ran stop lights, not paid attention and swerved and almost hit people. Now, now she finally t-bones your car going through an intersection while she was trying to stretch that Pink-Red Light a bit too far. But guess what? You can't call her a worthless bitch. Because saying that, regardless of the facts, is now illegal somehow. Don't believe me? Just sit on that slippery slope and watch how far we slide down it.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
I swear we had a thread like this 2 years ago. I'm getting crazy deja vu right now... someone help me out here.
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Ive had dreams about shit that I end up doing the exact way 2 or so weeks later. I'm pretty sure I'm in a coma or dead and I'm just reliving my life until the point where I either wake up and live my true life or die(again) only to do it again.
 
Tristam said:
O'REILLY: "You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."
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Haha, this comment keeps blowing my mind. Living in Los Angeles, I guess I'm used to every race being mixed together and knowing nobody who has such an asinine view of things. But I guess in places with less diversity, people really DO think shit like this. What, do they get all their education from shit like the VMAs and 50 cent lyrics. Christ, I'd like to talk to some of those people and find out what the fuck they expect black people doing on a typical tuesday night. Doin drive byes while smokin a j and drinkin some gin and juice?
 
I agree with PD. From the audio (which sounds edited BTW) it seems like he's trying to say, "some white Americans who don't have a lot of interaction with blacks, have ignorant views about them." Which is pretty far away from "hate speech," which BTW (to the poster who suggested otherwise) isn't a crime in America. The AV Club post is just an excerpt from the Media Matters post, so whomever was saying all the context was there, I have to disagree. O'Reilly is a douchebag, true, but this segment just seemed to be an inartful way of saying something innocuous.

Future: AFAIK he lives in NYC; your point is reiterating what he was trying to get at, actually.
 
You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all.
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You mean he already knew that Italian restaurants on Long Island don't have mob shootings every 5 minutes? I'm shocked!
 
After reading that....I-I thought it was a Onion article.

Goddammit if there is anyone in America that deserves to be publicly stoned its Oreilly

Goddamn, I mean, Goddamn.
 
"I saw that nigga eat and talk like he was actually human!"
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APF said:
I agree with PD. From the audio (which sounds edited BTW) it seems like he's trying to say, "some white Americans who don't have a lot of interaction with blacks, have ignorant views about them."
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Like himself? :lol :lol :lol

Jeez, he's like 50 and wonders about seeing black people that DON'T behave crazy :lol :lol :lol
 
Sylvia's is a goddamned amazing restaurant. Although, when I was there, my friend got up to use the bathroom and this woman came and took her chair!
It was Sylvia, and she wanted to sit near the musician, so we let it slide.
 
I'm not suprised by this. To be fair though, you could turn the tables. There are ignoramus' in every bunch... but we're talking about BO'R here. This man just recently learned that ALL people with skin that's a few tones darker than his aren't savages.

What's next, is he going to learn that all white skinned people arent perfect and pure? What does he teach his children?

EDIT: funny that all the blog sites that support O'reilly's The Factor (ie: MM, Hot Air) won't say a word about this one.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Listening to the audio I heard nothing wrong. The entire segment was basically him talking about the similarities between blacks and whites, with him finally reaching his point that "there is no difference".

I'm not surprised people are turning this into more than it is
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I'm not going to point out the blatant problems with this post, and instead I'm going to point out the radical ignorance of O'Reilly's saying that the fact that Black people can own a restaurant just like whites is "what's so great about the USA." Does he really think that diasporic Africans are actually better off in the US than in other countries? That things are so much better here than in other former slave-owning nations?


Wait, don't answer that.
 
i see that bill o'reilly's recent learning experience has offended a lot of black people or inspired the fervor of a lot of o'reilly haters on this forum, but isn't that par for the course? sure, it's racist, but i think it's hella hilarious too

i live in the d.c. metro area and all the foreigners (read asians, indians, and even hispanics) who run into black people feel the same way that o'reilly does. well, they're not surprised that the african-africans have jobs and speak coherent english (even though their accents make you want to LOL), but they are surprised when african-americans go to school, have jobs, dress neatly and form articulate thoughts about culture and politics, and aren't always approaching every social encounter in life as if someone wants to start a fight with them

even though there are a lot of black owned businesses here, it would surprise a lot of people here if that wasn't made possible by a federal grant or a white investor in the background
 
Sylvia's is a great, GREAT restaurant for soul food north of the Mason Dixon. If you want true soul food, there's a shack in downtown Greenville, SC that serves true soul food. That food was dreamy.
 
APF said:
I agree with PD. From the audio (which sounds edited BTW) it seems like he's trying to say, "some white Americans who don't have a lot of interaction with blacks, have ignorant views about them." Which is pretty far away from "hate speech," which BTW (to the poster who suggested otherwise) isn't a crime in America. The AV Club post is just an excerpt from the Media Matters post, so whomever was saying all the context was there, I have to disagree. O'Reilly is a douchebag, true, but this segment just seemed to be an inartful way of saying something innocuous.

Future: AFAIK he lives in NYC; your point is reiterating what he was trying to get at, actually.
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It's clearly edited; he basically goes from talking about the similarities of the races to interviewing some guy in a matter of seconds - without introducing him or anything. So yeah, it's edited.
 
I think he was trying to be ironic, and I get what he was trying to do. However, it also exposes racism on his part. Either way, with people so sensitive about race, it was an ill-advised move.
 
gandda said:
i see that bill o'reilly's recent learning experience has offended a lot of black people or inspired the fervor of a lot of o'reilly haters on this forum, but isn't that par for the course? sure, it's racist, but i think it's hella hilarious too

i live in the d.c. metro area and all the foreigners (read asians, indians, and even hispanics) who run into black people feel the same way that o'reilly does. well, they're not surprised that the african-africans have jobs and speak coherent english (even though their accents make you want to LOL), but they are surprised when african-americans go to school, have jobs, dress neatly and form articulate thoughts about culture and politics, and aren't always approaching every social encounter in life as if someone wants to start a fight with them

even though there are a lot of black owned businesses here, it would surprise a lot of people here if that wasn't made possible by a federal grant or a white investor in the background
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:lol wow.
 
gandda said:
i see that bill o'reilly's recent learning experience has offended a lot of black people or inspired the fervor of a lot of o'reilly haters on this forum, but isn't that par for the course? sure, it's racist, but i think it's hella hilarious too

i live in the d.c. metro area and all the foreigners (read asians, indians, and even hispanics) who run into black people feel the same way that o'reilly does. well, they're not surprised that the african-africans have jobs and speak coherent english (even though their accents make you want to LOL), but they are surprised when african-americans go to school, have jobs, dress neatly and form articulate thoughts about culture and politics, and aren't always approaching every social encounter in life as if someone wants to start a fight with them

even though there are a lot of black owned businesses here, it would surprise a lot of people here if that wasn't made possible by a federal grant or a white investor in the background
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So which category would you place O'Reilly in? Asian, Indian or Hispanic?
 
I don't think what he said was all that bad (when taken in context) but I hope this all blows up and he gets shitcanned anyway, mainly because I don't like him.

... At least I'm being honest about it.
 
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