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Bioware: Don't blame EA, it's us being dumb
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Typographenia
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I don't care who is to blame for what, Bioware, just make better games.
Also, I would totally play a game called "Dragon Ass," Mana Legend.
Also, I would totally play a game called "Dragon Ass," Mana Legend.
The Mana Legend
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Chairman Yang said:
Holy crap, I forgot about that too.
Maybe I forgot because I subconsciously couldn't find a way to fit Ass into the title. ;_;
infinityBCRT
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ME1 had OK RPG elements, OK shooter elements, OK exploration elements... but had an amazing story and world around it. ME2 still had that amazing story and world around it, and made the shooter elements fantastic, but pretty much stripped the RPG and Exploration elements. And all of the people who grew up on console platformers and shooters absolutely loved it because they improved that they cared about and loved. But everyone who had grew up on RPGs knew that they could have made a much better game because there are other games out there with great RPG and Exploration elements.
ME2 has better exploration elements than the first ME. You explore more planets and places with things to do on them and explore (and more fully realized worlds) but you lose the experience of being unable to explore barren planets and complete quests there. Which might count for something negatively to someone but overall there is also a gain that IMO is superior.
The negative with ME2 is the worse story with the collectors more so than that issue.
The negative with ME2 is the worse story with the collectors more so than that issue.
The Technomancer
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infinityBCRT said:
Reuenthal said:
If they want to take the blame then I'm fine with it. Have fun with your market research, your dumb testers that aren't good enough to find game breaking glitches and that enjoy spending 40 hours in a shit brown town doing fetchquests in the same 6 copy paste areas all over again using an HUD that looks like it was made for an iOS game and fighting wave of monsters that come from the ceiling.
MadScientist
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The only problem I had with ME2 were the explanation for the abductions and the final bossfight. Everything else I found stellar. The crew missions were diverse and the dialogue well written. The combat was Gears of War like plus more depth due to special powers and amunition. I fail to see how this makes the ME2 a mediocre action game. I consider it one of the best games I have ever played.
The Mana Legend
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MadScientist said:
You didn't like fighting
T-800?
At this point, I've had this argument so many times that I'm over it.
My problems with ME2 stem from only two things: It wasn't the game I was expecting, and it wasn't the game I wanted.
I was dissatisfied with it, but more power to those that enjoyed it.
Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, was a clearly rushed and unfinished product that EA/Bioware resorted to underhanded tactics to sell to fans of the first game.
My problems with ME2 stem from only two things: It wasn't the game I was expecting, and it wasn't the game I wanted.
I was dissatisfied with it, but more power to those that enjoyed it.
Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, was a clearly rushed and unfinished product that EA/Bioware resorted to underhanded tactics to sell to fans of the first game.
MaddenNFL64
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ME2 is a better game than 1. What Mass Effect had was a wider scope. You went to dozens of barren planets on a free form map, and got to "explore". It set expectations for the sequels, that this level of scope would remain, but bigger, and better. The mythos of this universe would expand, the player would see more of it, experience more of it, get attached to it.
ME2 was way more replayable, much more enjoyable as a game, but it's true, the collectors storyline, and how focused it was on just one objective makes it pale in comparison to the first game story wise, and experience wise.
The thing is ME2's gameplay was so enjoyable for me, I got way more out of it. I played it through to completion multiple times, and always had a ball. ME1 wore its welcome much faster for me.
That's why i'm looking forward to ME3. They need to combine both games together, and I think they will have the classic we've been waiting for.
ME2 was way more replayable, much more enjoyable as a game, but it's true, the collectors storyline, and how focused it was on just one objective makes it pale in comparison to the first game story wise, and experience wise.
The thing is ME2's gameplay was so enjoyable for me, I got way more out of it. I played it through to completion multiple times, and always had a ball. ME1 wore its welcome much faster for me.
That's why i'm looking forward to ME3. They need to combine both games together, and I think they will have the classic we've been waiting for.
I feel this video is somewhat relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDLraeBQi4
I should probably stop clicking every thread with Bioware on its title now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDLraeBQi4
I should probably stop clicking every thread with Bioware on its title now.
Sir Garbageman
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Patryn said:
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industrian
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I've just completed a back-to-back ME1/ME2 runthrough with Jennifer Shepard, and ME1 is by far the better game. The sense of exploration and being a pioneer is astounding.
ME2 comes across as a massively conflicted design. The first example that springs to mind is that they wanted to streamline the shit out of the game (lack of stats/weapons/etc) but kept in Fuel and Planet Scanning. The Fuel element alone is absolutely atrocious and completely at odds with fundamental game mechanics. As for planet scanning, if you import a decent ME1 character you don't need to worry about that shit after a few hours. (Console gamer here.)
I have very little hope for ME3, but I'll still get it close to launch.
ME2 comes across as a massively conflicted design. The first example that springs to mind is that they wanted to streamline the shit out of the game (lack of stats/weapons/etc) but kept in Fuel and Planet Scanning. The Fuel element alone is absolutely atrocious and completely at odds with fundamental game mechanics. As for planet scanning, if you import a decent ME1 character you don't need to worry about that shit after a few hours. (Console gamer here.)
I have very little hope for ME3, but I'll still get it close to launch.
The Mana Legend
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.JayZii said:
I think Silicon Knights is done with the excuses. I haven't heard a single excuse for X-Men Destiny yet.
Frankenstrat
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Woo-Fu said:
The D&D fans are pissed they haven't done anything as good as Baldur's Gate II, from my experience.
The Mana Legend said:
Is there really anything that can be said for that piece of crap?
MaddenNFL64
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industrian said:
I had the complete opposite reaction. ME1's side content, which as a completionist I set out to do, bored me to tears. Finishing off the Geth incursion in whatever corner of the galaxy on 5 separate planets killed me inside to finish.
ME2 was much more fun to get through. Vanguard & Infiltrator too up most of my time, but I did play as an Adept & Soldier as well.
ShockingAlberto
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Bioware once again tries to change the conversation.
It's not even about the gameplay decisions, it's about the fact that the last game you released not being finished.
It's not even about the gameplay decisions, it's about the fact that the last game you released not being finished.
Chinner said:
I actually assumed that the argument was that people who hate GOTY winners are a vocal minority that feel compelled to shout even louder in response to being wildly outnumbered; not that some kind of hivemind backlash is in place.
DA2 was fucking terrible, though. Too bad too, since I like Aveline well enough.
Derrick01 said:
Mass Effect 2 > Fallout 3, personally. By far.
But New Vegas is better than either.
ShockingAlberto said:
This.
Shake Appeal
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Nothing about videogames makes me sadder than considering Bioware's trajectory and track record over the past decade.
thetrin
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People who participate in focus groups make up the dumbest and dullest of the population. I don't know why they gravitate towards this shit, rather than people passionate about the subject.
But if you want the dumbest and dullest to play your game, go right ahead! Focus groups are for you!
I thought Fallout 3 could have been a A LOT better, and even I can't agree with this.
But if you want the dumbest and dullest to play your game, go right ahead! Focus groups are for you!
stupei said:
I thought Fallout 3 could have been a A LOT better, and even I can't agree with this.
Chinner said:
The ME1 sidequests were quests where you had to kill or find something on barren planets with repetitives buildings, spaceships and caverns. The ME2 sidequests were quests where you had to kill or find something too, but at least the environments were unique.
How exactly does that make the ME1 sidequests better? Because you had to drive a shitty vehicule to reach your destination?
MaddenNFL64
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Chinner said:
The difference is, they were short. ME1's were fucking boring endurance tests. Especially for my gaming OCD ass.
ShockingAlberto
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The Witcher 2 was a complete game even before the 2.0 patch.Deadstar said:
So I can't imagine Bioware understanding a free patch overhauling a game.
Bisnic said:
You know why the ME1 side quests were better? It's because yes, you had to drive the "beautiful" Mako around a giant planet that, while barren, gave you the sense of scale that is necessary in this type of space game. Sure it might have been a bit boring sometimes, but it was necessary to make you feel like you are exploring large planets. It added to the immersion for me and made me feel like I was truly on another planet exploring. The time it took to reach destinations was also necessary. The journey was part of the experience. Teleporting straight to the base or whatever you had to find would have totally ruined that feeling.
In my opinion they need to make Mass Effect more open world.
In ME2, the side quest planets looked undoubtedly awesome but it was incredibly boring (moreso than ME1 sidequests) to run in a straight, narrow path shooting a few enemies.
I thought the Mako combat added a great element to the game and the giant planets were incredible. I wanted them to push that harder. Make the planets more distinguishable. Build more alien life on the planets, more vegetation, etc. Instead, they scrapped the whole idea and went for boring tunnel shooting that you get in the rest of the game.
bigdaddygamebot
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AppleMIX said:
I'm amazed that Bioware is still trying to do damage control for their shitty work on DA2.
Hey doctors. Spend less time on media bytes and more time unfucking your game development issues.
Bisnic said:
A lot of them tied to the universe. You know how Cerberus was the main focus in ME2? They were side plots in ME1 if you did the missions, which if you did you would realize how idiotic it was to make the player work with them in 2.
Then there was one where biotics took over a station and took a congressman (or whatever he was called) hostage because they refused to pay them for malfunctioning implants.
It's nothing amazing but each little story added to the universe. The side missions in ME2 was like "land here and get something out of this crashed ship" but never explain what it is, why the ship crashed, who was on it, etc. They were just there to waste the player's time and add to the overall length of the game.
Tim the Wiz
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markot said:
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Chairman Yang said:
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it was about icicles made of ass iirc
Angry Fork
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How does Bioware not look at this quote and feel ashamed.markot said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Its been almost a decade and i still cant get over NWN. When you make something offensively bad its never going to go away.AppleMIX said:
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