-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
BioWare: Dragon Age 2 fan reaction 'caught us off-guard'
- Thread starter Kosma
- Start date
So like.... did they think everyone was joking when they released shit mountain pics and people said 'that looks like shit' >_>? Did they think everyone was joking when they took the piss of their lame quotes about the gameplay? About the characters?
I guess its hard to tell sarcasm on the internets, so they might have assumed....
I guess its hard to tell sarcasm on the internets, so they might have assumed....
Interfectum
Gold Member
I love this "new audience" they keep talking about. Sounds like bullshit PR damage control to me.
Mr YuYu said:
That's fine if you managed to wring some enjoyment out of it. Just don't try telling me that the story isn't shit, the combat isn't atrocious and the amount of corner cutting and content recycling isn't insulting. Some people enjoy having their testicles trodden on but I don't.
The game was a lesson in how not to make a sequel.
HadesGigas
Member
Trick_GSF said:
That "love" is called "actually making new environments".
flyinpiranha
Member
brotkasten
Member
Definitely DA2. While many people didn't like the direction in ME2, you can still find enough people who have a different opinion and enjoyed the game. You can't say that about DA2.Bisnic said:
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
If DA2 was an expansion like Awakening, it would be fine, but as a full price game and the direction the franchise might go in its awful.Mr YuYu said:
thelurkinghorror
Member
BlueWord said:
They invest a lot of money and peoples to develop the MMORPG and Mass Effect 3... so Dragon Age II has been done in their spare time with a minimal budget. Perhaps this is what has happened. And the 3dcities made by Bioware have to change, you can not set an entire game in a town if you can't build a beautiful one.
HadesGigas
Member
Mr YuYu said:
The whole story? Even the third act??
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
What about the ending?Mr YuYu said:
When everyone fights you no matter your choices.
markot said:
Best part is that the COD audience doesn't give a shit about RPGs, even with the magnitude of dudebro marketing going on. All they've done so far is scare away their loyal RPG fanbase. (me included)
Biggest selling Bioware hits; Dragon Age: Origins first place and NWN second...
Sipowicz said:
Yeah, that's what you get for catering your games to a pretend audience that wasn't even interested in the first place.
Oh and lets not forget their opinions on playerchoice in an RPG; never forget
codhand said:
Doubt it'll have the legs DA:O had.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...s-Reigns-Supreme-as-Best-Selling-BioWare-Game
Kosma said:
You really aren't being very open minded or rational about TOR are you?
Not sure why.
I'm presuming you are playing the beta with a good solid pedigree in playing the MMO genre in its various forms. So tell me from one MMO fan to another why exactly will it be "grand opening, grand closing"?
Sipowicz said:
Lol if you say so. It's gonna be like ME2 I reckon. Universally praised, even on gaf too. Until a year later when the random hate starts up again.
Anyways DA2 was a bad game. Not sure what that has to do with ME or TOR though. Plus TOR has James ohlen. How can ya hate that guy
bobnowhere
Member
I think DA2 sold slightly better initially, probably due to the fact you had to pre-order 2 months in advance to get the complete game, but then dropped like a stone once word of mouth got out.
I still don't buy the new audience nonsense. DA2 sold significantly less so no evidence of a new audience. I like I imagine many others bought DA2 due to either DAO or the Bioware reputation so no evidence of a new audience there. They clearly had to 'pay'
to get they sort of reviews from PC gamer and The Escapist and those have been universally derided.
The 'new audience' is clearly only meant to pacify shareholders and lets face it keeping shareholders happy is now their prime motivator, it sure as hell isn't customers. Who would have thought when EA bought Bioware for what was clearly a ludicrous amount, their reputation would fall so quickly?
I still don't buy the new audience nonsense. DA2 sold significantly less so no evidence of a new audience. I like I imagine many others bought DA2 due to either DAO or the Bioware reputation so no evidence of a new audience there. They clearly had to 'pay'
supply a large advertising budget in lieu of good scores
The 'new audience' is clearly only meant to pacify shareholders and lets face it keeping shareholders happy is now their prime motivator, it sure as hell isn't customers. Who would have thought when EA bought Bioware for what was clearly a ludicrous amount, their reputation would fall so quickly?
everyone
Dragon Age 2 wasn't a complete loss as it made some very interesting and positive asthetic and canon changes (See: Qunari) and some interesting plot concepts. I liked the idea of centralizing to one city and having the plot not being about saving the world but simply following the main character.
But its a failure due to the extremely short developmental cycle, very poor combat mechanics changes (another wave!), a story that, though real good at times, became abymsal in others and especially at the end, and the reused dungeons and maps. And that's going nice on it.
The Metacritic score of Dragon Age 2 for the PC of 82 is about right if a touch high. But compared to the score for Origins on the PC, a 91, its just a poor sequel.
If Codhand's numbers are accurate, then it looks like it started stronger for Week 1 and then its legs went out from under it.
But its a failure due to the extremely short developmental cycle, very poor combat mechanics changes (another wave!), a story that, though real good at times, became abymsal in others and especially at the end, and the reused dungeons and maps. And that's going nice on it.
The Metacritic score of Dragon Age 2 for the PC of 82 is about right if a touch high. But compared to the score for Origins on the PC, a 91, its just a poor sequel.
Y2Kev said:
If Codhand's numbers are accurate, then it looks like it started stronger for Week 1 and then its legs went out from under it.
More Fun To Compute
Member
codhand said:
I think that they are worldwide banned site figures.
HadesGigas
Member
Mr YuYu said:
So it sounds more like you enjoyed the part that wasn't the main story. The companion quests were largely their own things and mostly handled pretty well.
Act 3 was everything once the Arishok situation was concluded. Basically when all the mages and templars went batshit insane for no reason.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I actually liked DA2, granted it wasn't a great game by any means it did take some steps backwards compared to the awesomeness called DA: Origins, but it's not a bad game at all.
Gonna buy DA3 if it came out, I like to see what they are going to do next.
Gonna buy DA3 if it came out, I like to see what they are going to do next.
Oh and another thing I want to rant about, the game is still a technical train wreck, they just don't care about giving after purchase support, just check this;
http://social.bioware.com/page/da2-patches
That's been there for almost 4 months now, so you want me to use a 6months old driver for a single game that has strange issues... I mean come on... And don't even get me started on the broken archery in DA:O!
Nerdrage!
http://social.bioware.com/page/da2-patches
That's been there for almost 4 months now, so you want me to use a 6months old driver for a single game that has strange issues... I mean come on... And don't even get me started on the broken archery in DA:O!
Nerdrage!
I'm angry because I care(d)...
dogmanstaruk said:
I'm sorry you are so heavily invested in EA/Bioware/new Galway Bioware office that you don't see TOR isn't anything new or special.
I don't know why you think people will keep paying a fee to play a game that is about a storyline, for which single player games are for. Not to mention to core mechanics of the game (trifecta) are the same as in any other mmo 2.0 and people who migrate from other games will soon get bored exactly because of this.
This game is going to get run over by Guild Wars 2, Diablo 3 and any WoW expansion hard and quick.
Sir Garbageman
Member
Night_Trekker said:
Pretty much this, and I enjoyed DA2. I would really love to hear from the "new fans" they love discussing. Did anyone on GAF buy DA2 without first playing DA:O? I'm curious to hear from the legions of new fans they harp on.
Protip for Bioware: Stop going after Call of Duty numbers, it will never work for a single player RPG no matter how hard you dumb it down or how hard you market it. Create a solid, mature RPG with some depth on a reasonable budget that doesn't treat the player like a moron and you'll be just fine.
Basically, just emulate CD Projekt from now on.
toastyToast
Member
Just stop Bioware; please.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Moaradin said:
I like how you're deluded enough about Bioware titles that you're rewriting history.
Am really looking forward to seeing this new audience when DA3 struggles to sell 100k.