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Black Hebrew Israelites? i don't understand their beliefs

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Louis Theroux did a documentary and these guys were in it. They were claiming either Mozart or Beethoven was black.

An acquaintance of mine is a 5-Percenter Afrocentrist, who believes the same ideology as that "Space Moors" guy way back. He insists that both Mozart and Beethoven were Moors, which "9 times out of 10 means they were black". I kind of admire this guy's chutzpah, because he'll tell you to your face that you're a devil created by Yacoub.

Unlike the Space Moors guy, this dude believes the Slave Trade happened but believes that light-skinned black people don't come from West Africa. He believes that the mass rape of black women is a lie perpetuated by light-skinned black people, who he insists come from the Sahara, in an effort to prove their near-whiteness to white people.

This guy is really smart and quite good at intercollegiate debate, but a lot of his beliefs are really wacky. Not any weirder than racists who insists that the Greeks were Northern European, though.

what i dont get is why they accuse of ashknazi jews as being like "white impostors, fake jews etc"

This is something that even Mizrahi Jews do. I think a lot of it comes from resentment, because Ashkenazi Jews (especially Ashkenazi Jews of Western European descent) have the same privileges as white people and control most aspects of Israeli society.
 
Man, those dudes in the videos are fucked in the head. They're their own hype team and they're completely full of shit. They're the black equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church, only more aggressive. This is the result of a childish mind that found direction under the wing of a prick with posterboard and a sharpie. There's freedom of speech and there's harrassment. These pricks are harassing everybody that dared walk past them, including children. Fuck these guys.
 
I saw the exact same guy on the left when I was in Manhattan in January.

Their beliefs seem really nutty so I bet a lot of them might be mentally ill. No weirder than Scientology or even Mormonism, though.

I'd love to know what the Nation of Islam thinks of them. Do they hate them because they're Jewish?

The racial preaching and thirst for genocide definitely one ups both of those.. Well in my eyes anyway.
 
An acquaintance of mine is a 5-Percenter Afrocentrist, who believes the same ideology as that "Space Moors" guy way back. He insists that both Mozart and Beethoven were Moors, which "9 times out of 10 means they were black". I kind of admire this guy's chutzpah, because he'll tell you to your face that you're a devil created by Yacoub.

Unlike the Space Moors guy, this dude believes the Slave Trade happened but believes that light-skinned black people don't come from West Africa. He believes that the mass rape of black women is a lie perpetuated by light-skinned black people, who he insists come from the Sahara, in an effort to prove their near-whiteness to white people.

This guy is really smart and quite good at intercollegiate debate, but a lot of his beliefs are really wacky. Not any weirder than racists who insists that the Greeks were Northern European, though.



This is something that even Mizrahi Jews do. I think a lot of it comes from resentment, because Ashkenazi Jews (especially Ashkenazi Jews of Western European descent) have the same privileges as white people and control most aspects of Israeli society.

Well, it is at least plausible that Beethoven was possibly 1/16th Moorish, but obviously Moor =/= what we would call black, certainly not 9/10ths of the time anyway. There are contemporary accounts of Beethoven being 'dark' or 'swarthy', but none that I know that come right out and say he is a moor or of African descent. Haydn on the other hand we have accounts of people at the time acknowledging that he was a Moor, so why would people at the time not have noticed the same about Mozart and Beethoven?

Haydn's work directly influenced Mozart though, and Beethoven actually took lessons from him (though he said privately that he wouldn't say he was Haydn's pupil because though he took lessons, he never actually learned anything from him. that 18th century salt), so instead of trying to expand a potential 1/16th Moorish ancestry into Beethoven being black or half black, why not just take Haydn as the example, because without Haydn you get no Mozart or Beethoven.

Besides Beethoven's name kinda eliminates the possibility that his recent ancestors were Moorish immigrants, given the van. It's hard to imagine a Moorish immigrant in 1600s(or earlier) Netherlands earning nobility status.
 
They're the embodiment of a broken clock is right twice a day. Some of what they say has merit but they are hateful troll idiots. I had gay friends from out of town and they made some comment about lesbians. Told my friends not to even bother w. them shitheads. I saw them trolling in Brooklyn one Valentine's Day and they were telling young couples the white man wanted to fool them into being promiscuous unwed young mothers. They tried trolling me once for being in an interracial relationship, my wife cursed them out.
Louis Theroux did a documentary and these guys were in it. They were claiming either Mozart or Beethoven was black.
Beethoven was known as The Spanish Moor in his day. He was probably half black.
 
Arent there ethiopian jews (beta israel) that would be counted as "true" jews though?

Why wouldn't they be :S Do they believe in Judaism? Then they're Jewish.

They're not semites. But they're Jewish.

Not sure about these lot, first I've heard of them.
 
They're the embodiment of a broken clock is right twice a day. Some of what they say has merit but they are hateful troll idiots. I had gay friends from out of town and they made some comment about lesbians. Told my friends not to even bother w. them shitheads. I saw them trolling in Brooklyn one Valentine's Day and they were telling young couples the white man wanted to fool them into being promiscuous unwed young mothers. They tried trolling me once for being in an interracial relationship, my wife cursed them out.

Beethoven was known as The Spanish Moor in his day. He was probably half black.
You got a legit source on that?
 
a quick analysis of last names pretty much debunks their claims. Israel was indeed composed of different peoples beyond the line that came from Eber but i have no idea....what all these claims are.
 
Oh, yeah. These cats hang out by the mall on 14th st NW in D.C. all the time..friendly bunch. I swear, no one even hears them anymore..they just tune it out.
 
Look like Sho'nuff's crew

Yes, they do.

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Pretty sure these guys are just street performers. The only real cult I encounter in New York are those weird "God the Mother" fucks. I blew up on a couple of them one time when I was trying to enjoy a nice Sunday reading in the park and they wouldn't leave me alone.
 
Claiming Mozart and Beethoven are black is as likely as me claiming Dr King was quarter Martian.

What an absurd group of people, it would be fun if they didn't spout so much bigotry and racial hatred.
 
Ha! My roommate works for a scholarship program and these guys run a charter school in DC that participates. He went there for a school visit one time, and came back with details. Apparently they had a huge poster in the main hall celebrating famous black figures from history, except they believed a significant number of white historical figures were actually black. This included Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and Henry VIII.

All I could think of was like, ok sure, I could see why you'd want most of these people to be retconned into your movement, but what possible reason could you have for wanting Henry VIII?!
 
just looked up Yakub on wiki..here is what i got

Yakub (sometimes spelled Yacub or Yakob) is, according to the Nation of Islam (NOI), a black scientist who lived "6,600 years ago" and was responsible for creating the white race to be a "race of devils". He did this through a form of selective breeding referred to as "grafting", while living on the island of Patmos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

For many centuries they lived a barbaric life, surviving naked in caves and eating raw meat, but eventually they were drawn out of the caves by Moses who "taught them to wear clothes". Moses tried to civilize them, but eventually gave up and blew up 300 of the most troublesome of them with dynamite.

LMAO
 
Ha! My roommate works for a scholarship program and these guys run a charter school in DC that participates. He went there for a school visit one time, and came back with details. Apparently they had a huge poster in the main hall celebrating famous black figures from history, except they believed a significant number of white historical figures were actually black. This included Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and Henry VIII.

All I could think of was like, ok sure, I could see why you'd want most of these people to be retconned into your movement, but what possible reason could you have for wanting Henry VIII?!

Because there is no way the white man came up with platform shoes.
 
Seem to be some sexually frustrated folks.
 
i seen articles that talk about Beethoven being black as some of you mentioned earlier...what do you guys think about that?

Could a black man have been that popular in that place during that time period?

Edit: I honestly have no idea if he was or not, I just think it's a reasonable question to ask.
 
You got a legit source on that?
I read a book back in college named 100 Facts about the Negro. I can't find my copy, it's probably in my parents' house.
i seen articles that talk about Beethoven being black as some of you mentioned earlier...what do you guys think about that?
It's possible. He wouldn't be Shaquille O'Neal black but probably 1/4th, or even lower. Like my wife does not look black at all but I've seen old photos of her deceased grandfather from Spain and he looked straight up from India or something. Possible Moorish blood, who knows?

We get so caught up on race because that's been the caste system for centuries now but if everyone did a genealogy test they'd be surprised on what blood flows through their veins.
 
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