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[The Faceless Master]

The Coalition of African American Pastors announced Tuesday that it does not agree with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People’s decision to endorse the legalization of same-sex marriage.

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The coalition includes leaders of black churches and veteran civil rights leaders who marched with Martin Luther King Jr.

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“The NAACP has abandoned its historic responsibility to speak for and safeguard the civil rights movement,” CAAP founder and President William Owens said Tuesday. “We who marched with Rev. King did not march one inch or one mile to promote same-sex marriage.”

Jealous called gay marriage a civil right, and said he believes “it is the responsibility, the history of the NAACP to speak up on the civil rights issues of our times.”

CAAP says it believes gay Americans should have equal civil rights, but that it does not believe there should be a right to legally marry someone of the same sex.

On behalf of the coalition, Owens said, “We call on all Americans to respect the legitimate civil rights of gay people to be free from violence, harassment, to vote, to hold jobs.”

Owens drew from King’s “Letter From Birmingham Jail” to explain what he believes is the difference between a just and unjust law.

According to Owens, a just law is a man-made code that squares with the law of God, and an unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with moral law.

Owens also drew from St. Thomas Aquinas and said, “An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law.”

“Same-sex marriage is an attempt to do the opposite of what Rev. King did,” Owens said. “It’s an attempt by men to use political power to declare that an act contrary to God’s law and to the natural law is a civil right.”

http://news.yahoo.com/black-pastors-bash-naacp-endorsing-gay-marriage-201708256.html


ugh.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Wow really? So it's okay to take aways others rights as long as you already have yours eh?

 

[Funky Papa]

The NAACP has abandoned its historic responsibility to speak for and safeguard the civil rights movement

Their tears. They taste like anchovies.

 

[Escape Goat]

Didn't King want to include gays in his equality fight but was convinced by doing so would doom his movement completely?

 

[captmcblack]

smh.

As soon as religion isn't used to stop natural and societal progress, the world will be a better place.

 

[Tideas]

Didn't King want to include gays in his equality fight but was convinced by doing so would doom his movement completely?

where did u get this?

 

[Parallax]

the times, they are a changing. you can either follow, or get out of the way.

 

[Gaborn]

I think it's interesting how often homophobes focus their comments primarily or exclusively towards gay men and not lesbians.

This was predictable though, any group regardless of race, religion, or any other characteristic is going to have people that agree with a stated position and those who disagree.

 

[Reuenthal]

"Being in favor of civil rights is against civil rights!"

 

[Vermillion]

Didn't King want to include gays in his equality fight but was convinced by doing so would doom his movement completely?

Hm, I've never heard that.

At any rate, I know that my (I guess ex) pastor was furious at Obama's decision - I imagine he feels the same about this. But... being gay is considered a sin, so really you should expect the people who are (actually) Christian to disagree.

 

[akira28]

In the war of relevance, I'm sure the coalition of religious leaders loses out to the NAACP.

 

[Escape Goat]

where did u get this?

There was a thread on it awhile back I think. I seem to recall a thread about some newly discovered manuscripts from King or people in his camp.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Didn't King want to include gays in his equality fight but was convinced by doing so would doom his movement completely?

Knowing most blacks it would have destroyed his movement.

 

[Kinyou]

Wouldn't it be funny if only white gays would get the right to marriage? I think then you'd hear those pastors say something else.

 

[mannerbot]

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/02/coretta_scott_king_on_gay_righ.php

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny...I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."

"Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."

For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any other group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law...I believe that freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. My husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." On another occasion he said, "I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible." Like Martin, I don't believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others.

 

[Vermillion]

the times, they are a changing. you can either follow, or get out of the way.

"Either get on board, or get out of the way!"

 

[TacticalFox88]

The NAACP has abandoned its historic responsibility to speak for and safeguard the civil rights movement,

Holy fuck the irony is hilarious!

 

[Divvy]

We could power the world by harnessing the power of MLK spinning in his grave.

 

[Chichikov]

I think it's interesting how often homophobes focus their comments primarily or exclusively towards gay men and not lesbians.

This was predictable though, any group regardless of race, religion, or any other characteristic is going to have people that agree with a stated position and those who disagree.

Well, the bible doesn't speak a word against lesbianism (it doesn't talk all that much about male homosexuality either, but it is mentioned).

 

[Reuenthal]

The levels of hypocrisy and lying in calling support of civil rights as being against civil rights is really astounding.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Well, the bible doesn't speak a word against lesbianism (it doesn't talk all that much about male homosexuality either, but it is mentioned).

It does mention abandoning the natural use of the body for another woman. And a lot of the homosexuality in the Bible is thought to be talking about sex slaves and prostitutes.

 

[Eljay]

Hm, I've never heard that.

At any rate, I know that my (I guess ex) pastor was furious at Obama's decision - I imagine he feels the same about this. But... being gay is considered a sin, so really you should expect the people who are (actually) Christian to disagree.

I don't know what your (actually) implies but in the Episcopal Church we ordain homosexuals so we certainly have no problem with them.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Dude should go back to grad school if that's what he got out of "Letter...".

 

[Vermillion]

I don't know what your (actually) implies but in the Episcopal Church we ordain homosexuals so we certainly have no problem with them.

By that I mean it's biblically a sin.

 

[mannerbot]

Hm, I didn't know MLK had a niece with such unfortunate views:
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...ay-marriage-support/politics/2012/05/22/39964

“Neither my great-grandfather an NAACP founder, my grandfather Dr. Martin Luther King, Sr. an NAACP leader, my father Rev. A. D. Williams King, nor my uncle Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. embraced the homosexual agenda that the current NAACP is attempting to label as a civil rights agenda,” said Dr. Alveda C. King, founder of King for America and Pastoral Associate for Priests for Life, as the Christian Newswire reported.

“In the 21st Century, the anti-traditional marriage community is in league with the anti-life community, and together with the NAACP and other sympathizers, they are seeking a world where homosexual marriage and abortion will supposedly set the captives free,” King also stated.

King, who has been married and divorced three times, made the statements in conjunction with other African-American leaders, with whom, conveniently, she wrote a book, about the anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage movements, titled, Life At All Costs.

Alveda King, who has linked same-sex marriage equality to “genocide,” and for decades has fought to exclude the battle for LGBT rights from the civil rights movement her uncle embodied, grossly ignores so many important facts that one might have to wonder how willfully ignorant a person an be.

Alveda King ignores the fact that Julian Bond, Chairman Emeritus of the NAACP, who knew well Martin Luther King, Jr., has supported marriage equality as a civil right for a long time.

Alveda King has falsely claimed, “To equate homosexuality with race is to give a death sentence to civil rights. No one is enslaving homosexuals…or making them sit in the back of the bus,” and ”Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality.”

Alveda King obviously has not comprehended the Bible, which supports and advocates in favor of slavery, a rather embarrassing fact.

Another embarrassing fact for Alveda King. Take, for example the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr.’s right hand man, Bayard Rustin, was gay. Rustin was the architect of Dr. King’s famous 1963 March on Washington. Surely, if Dr. King were as anti-gay as his niece, he would not have worked with Rustin? Alveda King ignores this fact.

Another fact Alveda King ignores is that her uncle’s wife, was fully supportive of LGBT rights and same-sex marriage.

 

[BocoDragon]

This is where we find out which of them were actually marching for "civil rights" and which of them were just fighting for their own rights.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Hm, I didn't know MLK had a niece with such unfortunate views:
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...ay-marriage-support/politics/2012/05/22/39964

Anyone who has been divorced has zero moral credibility when talking about the the divine sanctity of marriage. No offense.

 

[Chichikov]

It does mention abandoning the natural use of the body for another woman.

You're talking about Romans 1:26, right?
It doesn't say that homosexuality is a sin, it says that God punished them with homosexuality (if anything, it implies that it's not a choice, but that's a bit of a stretch).
Also, this verse also mostly talk about men (though I lesbianism can be reasonably implied by it).

And a lot of the homosexuality in the Bible is thought to be talking about sex slaves and prostitutes.

There's not a lot of homosexuality in the bible, period.

 

[Air]

Anyone who has been divorced has zero moral credibility when talking about the the divine sanctity of marriage. No offense.

Agreed.

You're talking about Romans 1:26, right?
It doesn't say that homosexuality is a sin, it says that God punished them with homosexuality (if anything, it implies that it's not a choice, but that's a bit of a stretch).
Also, this verse also mostly talk about men (though I lesbianism can be reasonably implied by it).

There's not a lot of homosexuality in the bible, period.

pretty much

Also to those surprised about the behavior of Dr.Kings successors don't be. I remember there being attempts to copyright his "I have a dream" speech other attempts to monetize what the man did.

 

[levious]

left behind

 

[Neverfade]

So separate but equal? That turned out real well last time, huh?

 

[CrazyDogg77]

You're talking about Romans 1:26, right?
It doesn't say that homosexuality is a sin, it says that God punished them with homosexuality (if anything, it implies that it's not a choice, but that's a bit of a stretch).
Also, this verse also mostly talk about men (though I lesbianism can be reasonably implied by it).

There's not a lot of homosexuality in the bible, period.

Yeah I know that's why I support gay marriage even though I'm a Christian. I mean honestly where is the fight against divorce? That's considered just as bad if not worse in the Bible.

 

[PBalfredo]

I think it's interesting how often homophobes focus their comments primarily or exclusively towards gay men and not lesbians.

I don't see where you're getting this. The language in the OP's article is against same-sex marriage. Not specifically against gay men.

Unless you're speaking more generally than this article but even then I've never heard of anyone being against same sex marriage for men but being for it for women.

 

[diddles]

Didn't King want to include gays in his equality fight but was convinced by doing so would doom his movement completely?

that's some amazing revisionism. i'd bet if you time warped back to the 60's and asked him, he'd say no homosexuality is a sin or wrong or some such. most people felt that way then. now all of the sudden it is borderline criminal to think that. everyone jumps to the conclusion that if you think it's morally wrong, you hate the people who do it or think you're better than them.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Well, the bible doesn't speak a word against lesbianism (it doesn't talk all that much about male homosexuality either, but it is mentioned).

It is mentioned? It clearly states homosexuality is an abomination - I really see no point in people trying to play semantics games with this.

 

[Souldriver]

I can't handle the irony. It's just too much.

 

[Vermillion]

Yeah I know that's why I support gay marriage even though I'm a Christian. I mean honestly where is the fight against divorce? That's considered just as bad if not worse in the Bible.

That's not exactly an argument, you know. Just because people are doing other bad things doesn't make something else right.

Besides that, almost all sins are pretty much equal. Those that aren't mentioned to be unforgivable, anyways.

 

[levious]

everyone jumps to the conclusion that if you think it's morally wrong, you hate the people who do it or think you're better than them.

not too much of a stretch

It is mentioned? It clearly states homosexuality is an abomination - I really see no point in people trying to play semantics games with this.

the word used would likely be sodomy (if that), not homosexuality.

 

[Vermillion]

not too much of a stretch

It is actually.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

That's not exactly an argument, you know. Just because people are doing other bad things doesn't make something else right.

Besides that, almost all sins are pretty much equal. Those that aren't mentioned to be unforgivable, anyways.

I know that but it's obvious there is a different source for the dislike of gays in the black community. You don't have such disdain for other sins. It's got to be something besides how holy they are.

 

[Kettch]

“The NAACP has abandoned its historic responsibility to speak for and safeguard the civil rights movement,” CAAP founder and President William Owens said Tuesday. “We who marched with Rev. King did not march one inch or one mile to promote same-sex marriage.”

What the fuck?

That just blows my mind.

 

[tiff]

not too much of a stretch

Except it is. A lot of it is ignorance more than real hatred, which is partly why you're seeing public opinion turn on it so quickly as gays become more and more publicly prominent.

Though name-calling on the part of liberals is also an effective strategy.

 

[Caddle]

Well those ignorant ass pastors need to do the same thing, when we kill each other in the street. 99 problems but this ain't one.

 

[Vermillion]

I know that but it's obvious there is a different source for the dislike of gays in the black community. You don't have such disdain for other sins. It's got to be something besides how holy they are.

Yeah, I've no idea what it is particularly. It may be because it's more of a lifestyle than a singular action, and the fact that more and more people think it's okay, in comparison to other sins.

 

[AtomskEater]

Why should MLK's (lack of) a stance on the issue of gay rights and marriage affect what's going on now? Changing times and all that. People are throwing out any excuse they can use to look down their nose at a group of people who live differently.

 

[levious]

Except it is. A lot of it is ignorance more than real hatred, which is partly why you're seeing public opinion turn on it so quickly as gays become more and more publicly prominent.

Though name-calling on the part of liberals is also an effective strategy.

I hardly consider accusing someone of hatred to be name calling. I also cannot imagine judging someone to be lacking in morals and not believing myself to be better than them, which is why what I quoted is hardly a stretch.

Few in this country can claim ignorance as an excuse for this way of thinking.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Yeah, I've no idea what it is particularly. It may be because it's more of a lifestyle than a singular action, and the fact that more and more people think it's okay, in comparison to other sins.

It's weird seeing people condone other sins while condemning homosexuality. It's really weird to see people who claim no religion exhibiting homophobia.

 

[DarkKyo]

Ridiculous. Leave other people's happiness alone and just tend to your own fucking religion.

 

[Kettch]

“In the 21st Century, the anti-traditional marriage community is in league with the anti-life community, and together with the NAACP and other sympathizers, they are seeking a world where homosexual marriage and abortion will supposedly set the captives free,” King also stated.

Haha. We can't let the gays get married guys, just think of all the extra abortions it'll cause!

 

[CrazyDogg77]

I think it's telling how many social issues blacks face that go ignored by blacks yet gay marriage is at the forefront.