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Blackberry Playbook, 7" tablet from RIM
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Console war mentality to me is how VanMardigan assumed Tobor's just defense forcing for Apple rather than making a valid point about how the apps being web-based can kill it. Comparing competing products isn't a console war mentality, or we'd say the same about you in every thread about web browsers.sangreal said:
VanMardigan said:
The only absurdity I see is you thinking I was being serious. :lol Come on, lighten up.
Web apps are a lame move on their part, but I was obviously exaggerating. Adjust your prism, and let's have a discussion. At least tell me why you think I'm wrong, like the other guy did.
samus i am
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I think RIM has a goldmine on their hands. In the business world Blackberry is still the king. When company netbooks start breaking down I see a lot of Playbooks getting purchased. Their integration with Enterprise makes them a huge contender.
Flying_Phoenix
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Angelus Errare said:
Okay my bad. I was actually thinking of the 3GS, as it was a significant step from the 3G as it added improvements on hardware, storage, video/carmera, battery life, and other features, I wouldn't put it as a "huge" revision, but it certainly wasn't "small". While on the record, iPhone 4 added much better internal hardware, a much higher resolution screen, hardware redesign, and revolutionary frontfacing camera for phone conversations. But still the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 both changed significantly from the last revision. And the iPhone 3G had a huge reason not to, the high price of hardware which was halved from the original iPhone. And I don't even want to bother with their iPod updates.
I agree that the next iPad revision most likely won't be killer, but saying that Apple almost never does major revisions just simply isn't true at all especially if you can "count it in one hand". And comparing that to the (complete apples to oranges) Mac and (especially) iPod line doesn't really help your case.
VanMardigan said:
I admit Liu Kang isn't the most proper poster on the site, but out of all of the posters in this thread he's probably the more reasonable one.
Most of his points are valid. We haven't seen an actual true demo of the OS so we don't how it truly looks and runs in person. While a huge market adores tablets another huge market still dismisses them of being nothing more than a giant "insert phone brand", and yes software is king. We've seen this with Windows, Playstation, and well the iPhone.
And keep in mind I constantly praise competition and if this thing lives up to what we've seen so far I may have a new tablet I'd prefer over the iPad.
Again I admit some of his posts in this thread is uncalled for, but again this is your typical Apple thread. I assume mods just look at any thread titles dealing with Apple or tablets and just say "fuck it!" and leave.
Tobor said:
What I'm more shocked is that with all of the clear obvious troll posts in the thread, it's "yours" that they respond to. :lol
All we need is for VAILS to enter the thread and we'll have all of the usual suspects.
thehillissilent
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I agree. Our gov't agency will be getting them once they are out. I can't wait!samus i am said:
Gotta give apple credit, when they have something new to release, they're usually pretty good at keeping it a secret. When they do announce it, they usually make the product available for purchase within a month or so while the hype's still fresh.
With the playbook, I feel they should have kept it to themselves for now. With almost a year away from retail, you're essentially showing your cards early and giving other manufacturers time to catch up.
With the playbook, I feel they should have kept it to themselves for now. With almost a year away from retail, you're essentially showing your cards early and giving other manufacturers time to catch up.
For those who haven't seen it yet, go watch the conference where the QNX guy talks about the OS powering nuclear power plants, the space shuttle, etc. He really sells it and looks genuinely excited about seeing what they can do with the Playbook. I really can't wait for this to be released.
iPad is pretty bad for corporate field deployment. It's huge and doesn't play well with others due to lack of standardized ports. PlayBook is a winner not only because of it's integration with Blackberrys and Blackberry Enterprise Server (which are huge on their own) but also because it's smaller and lighter. Try holding an iPad with 1 hand for a few hours while doing a field survey. That thing will break your arm. That is the reason why everyone is moving to 7". The 10" only works as a coffee table device, or like in Apple ads where you throw your legs up on a couch and rest it on your thighs, not in field deployments.
Operations
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There's simply no room for yet another OS in the mobile/tablet arena, RIM really needs to adopt a standard or slowly slide into irrelevance like Palm did before them.
Burger
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Zzoram said:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/profiles/rehabcare/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/hyatt-hotels/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/profiles/rtkl/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/profiles/virtual-aviation/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/dr-ferencz/
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http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/integration/
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http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/apps/
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forknknife
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Funny, just a few days ago I was considering buying an iPad. Then, after asking here in GAF I decided to not do it and wait for the next iteration mainly because of not having multitasking, no multitab webbrowsing and no flash. And now this just appears! Too bad it will be really pricy, but if it gets really good reviews I might spend a bit more.
Also, 7'' seems like it must be a really good size for typing with your thumbs when holding the thing in your hands. With the ipad it seems like you have to either hold with one hand and type with the other or just let it rest somewhere (or maybe I'm wrong, I've never tried an iPad)
Also, 7'' seems like it must be a really good size for typing with your thumbs when holding the thing in your hands. With the ipad it seems like you have to either hold with one hand and type with the other or just let it rest somewhere (or maybe I'm wrong, I've never tried an iPad)
jonnybryce
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bytesized said:
Yeah typing on the 10inch screen is awkward. I think the PlayBook has a chance - I feel the same way you do. If this gets good reviews I really don't see why not. Seems solid.
PhoncipleBone
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What were the ton of concerns you had about the iPad? Because battery life, OS ease of use, and price are pretty big concerns for me. Hardware is nothing if it is a pain to use. Standardized ports are a big plus on the Playbook, which the iPad lacked. The biggest advantage that the iPad had was that it was just a tweaked version of iOS, which millions already knew how to use. With RIM it will be familiar, yet alien to a lot of people.Grimmy said:
The biggest advantage I see RIM having with this is the Enterprise system. The corporate world will love this for that reason alone. But for the regular customer, I am not sure this will really catch on. The Galaxy tab is looking really good, but it doesn't help when Google themselves are saying it will have issues since Android is not a tablet platform. The tablet that I think has the biggest potential to be VERY good is the eventual HP one, since they will most likely have the Palm OS on it.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The screen never changed. It was always on in the exact same position, and that fuck occasionally acts like he's actually using it.shantyman said:
Exactly. He never actually used the fucking thing. All it is doing is displaying a screenshot of what they want it to look like. It could be running a 386 processor in a prototype case for all that matters. The floor units are running videos. You can do that shit on a G3 or a Pentium 1. Steve actually used and showed off the iPhone 1, the iPod touch 1, the iPad, hell, Steve never shows off anything that isn't actually working. Sure, it might be a side project like the AppleTV (Then called the iTV), but it still works 100% and is fully functional.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
This CEO of BlackBerry is a suit. Notice how he stood on stage the whole time his geeky Bill Gates Jr. friend was talking about technobabble like he's posing for photo opportunities and occasionally adding a non sequitor. When Steve introduces someone to talk on stage, he gets off stage and gives them the floor. He simply wanted to stay in the spotlight as if to say "Me me me! I'm doing this! When it's all done and awesome, this is the guy to thank!" Apple doesn't need to do that. Steve knows people will know his name. And he doesn't need to wear a formal suit to appeal to the business crowd. He knows if he builds it, and people like it, they will buy it. And if they don't, then they quietly discontinue it and never mention it again.. *cough* iPod HiFi *cough*
Methinks BlackBerry is just too eager to cut Apple off at the punch before the iPad 2 comes along and all the other tablets come out. It reminds me of Sony's initial "Move" announcement the same year (Last year) that MS introduced the Kinect. The Kinect was more along than what Sony had, but they didn't want to be left out so they threw something together that wasn't finished to keep relevant before getting forgotten. They probably wouldn't have shown anything last year if MS hadn't. (What would have happened if Sony's conference had been before MS'?)
It will remain to be seen whether the final product actually performs like they say it will. The bottom line is never show off something before it is ready.
YuriLowell
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Operations said:
Heh. Heheheh.
RIM will never go away. iOS and Android is a joke for serious corporate deployment.
The product isn't supposed to be ready until Q1 so why would you expect them holding one thats fully functional? Apple shows off stuff that is either available immediately or as late as like a month or 2. If he had one working, then i would be pissed that it isn't coming out this fall.Jasoco said:
YuriLowell
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thirty said:
Its hilarious that they just now got a lock screen with a PIN number.
forknknife
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shantyman said:
next month? with a firmware update or what? I thought it was a problem of processing power and memory, not the OS, why the iPad could not do those things
YuriLowell said:
We've been handing out iphones here for a while, and now droids work also on our exchange system... and they started handing out ipad's to execs, etc. Once a blackberry breaks people have a choice to get a new one or get an iphone... most people get an iphone.
this is all anecdotal, but its a pretty big company.
The latest efforts of RIM on their newer touchscreen blackberry's also doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
YuriLowell
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gcubed said:
How tight is your security? Because none of the ios devices or android devices are secure at all.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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iPad was announced in January, came out in April. They still had demo units.btkadams said:
The problem isn't getting pissed that it's going to take so long to come out, but to be pissed because what we're getting hyped over is bullshit smoke and mirrors. This happened with the HP Slate too when some guy put a real video of it in use on YouTube last week. Total crap compared to what HP and Ballmer showed everyone in promo videos.
They're announcing features and showing off a UI that are bullshots and target renders, to use gaming side terms. And we all know how games ends up after we see those at announcements.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Dude, we're past this shit now. It's like how game companies got away with CG commercials in the PS1 days, but no one buys into that horseshit anymore. Either show off a real UI and product or don't show anything.Fixed1979 said:
Think of how stupid it would be if Amazon showed off target renders for Kindle screens instead of just showing the real thing. Some companies get it, and RIM doesn't.
YuriLowell said:
They have access through activesync and require you to allow a remote administrator on your phone (remote wipe, monitor/log, etc). The only use for blackberry's was for email and calendar as well as a phone call, using push notifications with activesync gave me everything i needed and one less phone to carry.
Fixed1979
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Meh, it's advertising and that's all it is. Sure they could be a bit more upfront with what's going on but if you're to buy into everything a company tells you about their own product then you need to educate yourself. It's a new product demo for something that doesn't have a realase date, if you feel cheated by RIM then don't buy it and move on. Either way it's really silly to get upset about IMO.
we dont even know when this thing is coming out! it could come out in march! it certainly will be at least april if not later until it is available in canada.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
do people really think this is the only time they'll show it off? they have potentially 4-6 months before it's out. we don't have any dates. we dont have battery life info. this is a teaser and thats it. no one is saying it is any more than that.
EDIT: and i'm certainly not saying its cool with them to do this, but they probably had to announce it before it was even in a functional state because they want devs to have more time to develop for it. it was a dev conference afterall.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, I think that guy was saying more than that when he pretended like he was actually using the thing.btkadams said:
Fixed1979
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Burger said:
Absolutely, I'm excited to see and I'd like for them to pull it off. At the same time I've had issues with RIM in the past and it wouldn't shock me if it doesn't all work out.
Also I don't know how soon people are expecting this device but if we see it before the 1st of May 2011 I'd be shocked, and that's still 7 months away. I don't believe it's uncommon for this type of shit to happen especially when demoing completly new tech that's still a long ways from an official launch.
Kamakazie!
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I'll definitely consider this if it streams content well from my WHS.
Android tablets aren't looking too hot at the moment (although I really want the XBMC remote control on my tablet) & I can't see anything from HP in the near future. That leaves the only options as a good MeeGo tablet / smartbook or something running Chromium (which probably won't be great for what I want).
Nokia or HP really need to pull their fingers out. Something like the Notion Ink Adam running MeeGo would be pretty perfect.
Android tablets aren't looking too hot at the moment (although I really want the XBMC remote control on my tablet) & I can't see anything from HP in the near future. That leaves the only options as a good MeeGo tablet / smartbook or something running Chromium (which probably won't be great for what I want).
Nokia or HP really need to pull their fingers out. Something like the Notion Ink Adam running MeeGo would be pretty perfect.
SnakeswithLasers
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Holy shit wow :lol :lolJasoco said:
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