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[EviLore]

What do you think of Ridley Scott's other films, PhoenixDark?

Alien?

Gladiator?

Black Hawk Down?

Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut?

Duellists? Legend Director's Cut? Matchstick Men? Thelma & Louise?


Oh and it's good to be honest about how you didn't think Blade Runner was totally awesome, but well you suck now unfortunately!

 

[DarienA]

There is no other version besides the '54 Hitch one. None.

Damn straight, although I'll admit that the Reeve one isn't bad... but the Stewart one is superior in every way.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Hollywood just needs to stop making movies based on Philip K. Dick stories.
They just **** them up.

 

[Lakitu]

'Cept for Munich.

Yes I think Munich is definitely Spielberg's best modern film and one of my faves overall from him.

 

[JB1981]

Legend and Blade Runner are both basically all surface. The Blade Runner fan community has gone a long way toward infusing the film with thematic substance (which the movie itself merely hinted at). I do think the film needs to be seen more than once, though, because there some nuggets there to chew on. The mid-section does indeed drag and it's not because of a lack of explosions.

 

[Ichirou]

My taste is awesome and I like sci fi movies, but meh this wasn't great. It was definitely better than AI (which was very good but too long), but I can't honestly say it was better than something like Minority Report

Wow. You have bad taste in movies.

Did you watch the Director's Cut, or the one with Harrison Ford narration? The narrated version is inferior (Ford deliberately did a poor job on the voice-over so the studio wouldn't use it--fission mailed).

This is an urban legend that Ford himself has denied in interviews more than once...and he doesn't even like Blade Runner, btw. Harrison Ford sucks.

If it weren't for a shaky final act in Minority Report, I might come close to agreeing with this. I think there's some big plot hole in Minority Report that I am forgetting. Since I can't recall it, maybe it wasn't so big.

It had to do with the wooden balls...and the difference between pre-meditated murders and crimes of passion, as I recall. The precogs could predict pre-meditated murders days before they actually happened, and crimes of passion sometimes only minutes before they happened. But when it came time for Tom Cruise's own future crime...

 

[Beer Monkey]

My taste is awesome and I like sci fi movies, but meh this wasn't great. It was definitely better than AI (which was very good but too long), but I can't honestly say it was better than something like Minority Report

My friend has a big 130lb Rottweiler that has a real taste for diapers. Dirty diapers. Filled with poo. He eats them. A favorite food of his. While I don't understand it personally, that's his taste.

 

[DarienA]

Legend and Blade Runner are both basically all surface. The Blade Runner fan community has gone a long way toward infusing the film with thematic substance (which the movie itself merely hinted at). I do think the film needs to be seen more than once, though, because there some nuggets there to chew on. The mid-section does indeed drag and it's not because of a lack of explosions.

You hated on Legend and Blade Runner in one post.... I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.

 

[Dice]

When people say "drags on" I get the feeling they need more 'splosions to hold there limited attention spans.

That feeling is wrong. I have greatly enjoyed actionless movies like Lost in Translation, Sense & Sensibility, In America, A Love Song for Bobby Long, The Station Agent, etc.

Also Blade Runner has plenty of action, it's just terribly boring, not compelling at all.

 

[Kevtones]

You could release Blade Runner tomorrow for the first time and it would still be ahead of its time. Sci-fi perfection IMO.

 

[Jack Random]

Legend and Blade Runner are both basically all surface. The Blade Runner fan community has gone a long way toward infusing the film with thematic substance (which the movie itself merely hinted at). I do think the film needs to be seen more than once, though, because there some nuggets there to chew on. The mid-section does indeed drag and it's not because of a lack of explosions.

It's called subtlety

a bit of a lost art these days, way too many movies spoon feed you everything as you are beaten over the head with "thematic substance"

let the movie hint
let the audience think

 

[JB1981]

You hated on Legend and Blade Runner in one post.... I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.

Legend is an exercise in style, nothing more. It's garbage. Ridley Scott is also one of my favorite directors and I do like Blade Runner. It's a great work of visual art but it's not a great movie.

 

[Great Rumbler]

*PD's Blade Runner impressions*

Overall I was pretty disappointed by the movie. From a visual perspective it was brilliant and looked on par if not better than many movies out today, but in terms of the actual movie I was not really grabbed by it. I'll watch it again today though.

7.5/10

I watched Blade Runner for the first time about 2 or 3 years ago. After that first viewing, I probably would have agreed with you, although I might have scored it just a bit higher. Essentially, I felt that it was a pretty good movie, but not that great. Since then, I have seen Blade Runner over half a dozen times. From my experience with it, it only gets better and better.

Right now, I would place it as my second favorite scifi movie and possibly even a ranking on my top ten movies of all time. Everytime I watch it, I'm surprised by just how good it really is. The art design, the world, the music, even the characters, work so well. I couldn't imagine giving it anything other than a 9.5 or a 10.

 

[Ichirou]

Legend is an exercise in style, nothing more. It's garbage. Ridley Scott is also one of my favorite directors and I do like Blade Runner. It's a great work of visual art but it's not a great movie.

QFT

Ridley Scott has done a lot of great films, but he's also done his fair share of trash.

 

[DarienA]

Legend is an exercise in style, nothing more. It's garbage. Ridley Scott is also one of my favorite directors and I do like Blade Runner. It's a great work of visual art but it's not a great movie.

Burn in hell infidel!

 

[Drensch]

I pretty much couldn't agree more with Phx. The movie is more style than substance. Stylistically and visually it holds up very well, but as a piece of entertainment? Not so much.

 

[Dice]

It's called subtlety

a bit of a lost art these days, way too many movies spoon feed you everything as you are beaten over the head with "thematic substance"

let the movie hint
let the audience think

My, you managed to pack quite a lot of pretense in there.

Philosophy can be a wonderful thing. Questioning what it means to live can lead you to a higher quality of life, an expanded understanding of it, deeper appreciation of it, and more intense passion for it. However, some people seem to be more in love with questions than the answers those questions search out. These types of people are so dedicated to seeking that they reject anything they happen to find and admire those who do likewise.

They throw out practicality, the qualities of experience, the elements of being, the functional truths of life, and all to try and achieve some sort of wisdom that may not exist. This doesn't make you many friends, and so these types quickly learn that subtlety is the refuge of heretics. However, a common false assumption is that they are the only ones that know how to think, and that anyone who does will naturally agree with them on what is meaningful.

The reality is that there are plenty of people who know how to think, who pick up on subtleties, search the hidden questions, and then want to carry it to something of practical worth. Any fool can doubt and question what is given him, but it takes real wisdom to resolve ones thoughts to something of true value. If a movie does the former and not the latter, there will be a good number of people who don't enjoy it because it's nothing but vapid speculation.

 

[nerbo]

Man, it blows my mind to hear people implying Minority Report is better than, or comes anywhere close to Blade Runner in quality. I will make sure to never listen to these people on movie recommendations.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

This is why no one makes science fiction movies for adults anymore.

In 2009, this man will save us.

AVATAR is going to rock your ****ing balls off.

 

[teruterubozu]

Well, this discussion of whether Blade Runner sucks or not has been raging for close to 15 years now with absolutely no end in sight. I guess eveyone HAS to show where they stand on this if they want to be considered a pseudo film expert. Just so tiring...

 

[EviLore]

In 2009, this man will save us.

AVATAR is going to rock your ****ing balls off.

Are you implying that Aliens is better than Alien?!?!!?!?



;b

 

[Coop]

What's with the Minority Report hate? I thought it was good. It wasn't better than Blade Runner but I still enjoyed it.

 

[fmcato]

I watched Blade Runner a boring thursday night when I was 17 or 18. When it finished I thought "****, this movie would be perfection with a better ending".

Two years later I watched Perfection, with a capital P, aka Director's cut. I bought a Matrix + Blade Runner DVD pack to get it, and the Matrix DVD is now my brother's.

It was the first time I saw a coherent scifi universe with nice actors, ethical and philosophical issues put in front of the spectator without talking directly about them the whole time and no retarded action scenes every ten minutes.

Oh, and Rutger Hauer steals the show whenever he's on screen, no wonder Mr. Ford ignores the movie now.

Spoiler

Best final words ever.

P.S.: I enjoyed Minority Report, even watched it two times. I've forgotten almost everything by now, though.

 

[Stench]

What do you think of Ridley Scott's other films, PhoenixDark?

Alien?

Gladiator?

Black Hawk Down?

Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut?

Duellists? Legend Director's Cut? Matchstick Men? Thelma & Louise?

You know, looking at that list reminded me of how Ridley Scott honestly has the best filmography in cinema under his belt. He's done something noteworthy in virtually every genre...

I think he even beats Spielberg, simply by virtue of the fact that Spielberg never did a true Horror movie (I consider Jaws to be more of a thriller than anything, and Alien is a far better movie than Jaws could ever dream to be).

 

[kablooey]

I saw Blade Runner when I was 14. I'm sure a good deal of it went over my head, but I was pretty impressed with what I saw at the time. I really need to watch it again one of these days though.

 

[JB1981]

You know, looking at that list reminded me of how Ridley Scott honestly has the best filmography in cinema under his belt. He's done something noteworthy in virtually every genre...

I think he even beats Spielberg, simply by virtue of the fact that Spielberg never did a true Horror movie (I consider Jaws to be more of a thriller than anything, and Alien is a far better movie than Jaws could ever dream to be).

I see what you're saying but I can't agree. Spielberg has had a more prolific career overall and has dabbled in just as many genres (and made better films).

Evil: I would say Aliens is a better, more satisfying film than Alien.

 

[Fallout-NL]

It's a love it or hate it movie. Actually, I think to get the maximum enjoyment out of it, you have to be both a movie buff and a scifi buff.

You have pretty awful taste so it doesn't surprise me that you only found it competent.

This is why no one makes science fiction movies for adults anymore.

qft, Blade Runner is fantastic.

Oh, and Rutger Hauer steals the show whenever he's on screen, no wonder Mr. Ford ignores the movie now.

Spoiler

Best final words ever.

Oh definitely, that last scene with Hauer is really quite beautiful, with the light suddenly changing and everything. It's perfect. Also the stuff he's saying, the way he makes the viewer visualize it. It works on so many levels, great scene.

 

[PhoenixDark]

What do you think of Ridley Scott's other films, PhoenixDark?

Alien?

Gladiator?

Black Hawk Down?

Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut?

Duellists? Legend Director's Cut? Matchstick Men? Thelma & Louise?


Oh and it's good to be honest about how you didn't think Blade Runner was totally awesome, but well you suck now unfortunately!

Alien is awesome. Perhaps the scariest movie I've ever seen.

Gladiator is pretty great too.

Black Hawk Down...meh

Thelma and Louise is one of my favorite movies.

Legend was great but I haven't seen it since I was little; never saw the DC

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Ridley hasn't got shit on Spielberg. BladeRunner, Alien and Gladiator are his only noteworthy films. Black Hawk Down was nothing special.

 

[White Man]

Alien is awesome. Perhaps the scariest movie I've ever seen.

Yeah

Gladiator is pretty great too.

Haven't seen it lately. An awesome movie to see in theatres. The CG is aging very poorly. Still has a lot of very nice scenes. A good movie, but generally uneven.

Black Hawk Down...meh

The bad taste shines through!

Thelma and Louise is one of my favorite movies.

WTF?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Thelma and Louise almost made me cry; it's sweet.

It's not top 10 or anything but it's definitely awesome in my eyes

 

[Fallout-NL]

The bad taste shines through!

You talk about bad taste, but like that propaganda garbage (leave no man behind!)? I like the simplicity binary oppositions offer as much as the next guy, but when they come in the form of US army commercials... not so much.

Ridley hasn't got shit on Spielberg. BladeRunner, Alien and Gladiator are his only noteworthy films. Black Hawk Down was nothing special.

There's not one Spielberg film that comes close to Blade Runner. In that light though, I dont understand what happened with Black Hawk Down. Perhaps he needed to alter the script in order to get the military equipment needed for the film. That happens quite a lot.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

Man I hate people who don't like Blade Runner properly

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Are you implying that Aliens is better than Alien?!?!!?!?



;b

Yes.

There's not one Spielberg film that comes close to Blade Runner. In that light though, I dont understand what happened with Black Hawk Down. Perhaps he needed to alter the script in order to get the military equipment needed for the film. That happens quite a lot.

Spielberg's films as a whole outshine Scott's library. I believe Bladerunner is an exceptional film, but I believe that and Alien are his only two GREAT films.

 

[Shouta]

I liked Blade Runner for the cinematography but I didn't like the overall content of the movie all that much myself. I always felt that there was something kind of missing from the story that really should've made it flow better.

 

[jett]

Blade Runner owns. Haters blow.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Spielberg's films as a whole outshine Scott's library. I believe Bladerunner is an exceptional film, but I believe that and Alien are his only two GREAT films.

I agree, but I would always prefer one (or two in this case) works of art over a whole library of fairly conventional classical hollywood stuff.

 

[Schwowsers]

I rented it a couple months ago after seeing it mentioned multiple times here on the board, and I was extremely disappointed. What a boring movie.

 

[Chichikov]

I like Blade Runner, it’s a good movie, and for what it worth, the director version is actually not as good as the original.
But it’s not even the best sci-fi movie by Ridley Scott.

And while we’re at it -
I’m all for free speech, but people who says that Aliens is better than Alien should be shot.
Repeatedly.
In the ass.
With a gun that shoot rusty knives.
With herpes.

 

[Stench]

The thing I like about Ridley Scott is how finely-tuned all of his movies are. They're lean, efficient, ferocious... he's just a no-bullshit filmmaker. Spielberg could learn a few lessons from him in this regard.

In terms of Black Hawk Down, I never understood any of this "American Propaganda" stuff that seems to have been pinned on it, and this is coming from a Canadian. Besides, from a technical perspective, it's probably the most viscerally engaging war film ever captured, which definitely has to count for something.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

Apart from Spielberg bum****ing the 'terrorists' line, E.T. is still heart sobbingly brilliant.

Oh yes, the Westwood Blade Runner game is one of my top ten games of all time. Captures the films mood fantastically, though it can get brainmeltingly hard.

 

[Chichikov]

The thing I like about Ridley Scott is how finely-tuned all of his movies are. They're lean, efficient, ferocious... he's just a no-bullshit filmmaker.

What?
1492, Legend, Kingdom of Heavens, Gladiator, Hannibal.
You describe these as lean, efficient and no bullshit movies?

 

[Stench]

What?
1492, Legend, Kingdom of Heavens, Gladiator, Hannibal.
You describe these as lean, efficient and no bullshit movies?

I haven't seen 1492, but for all of the others, absolutely.

I have never found a Ridley Scott film to be boring or unengaging to a certain degree.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I thought Munich was a step in the right direction for Spielberg in terms of how conventional the rest of his films are. While clearly playing on the heartstrings, Schindler's List is still a magnificent movie.

Oh and James Cameron > Ridley Scott. Aliens > Alien. You know it to be true.

 

[themadcowtipper]

I rarely get to watch movies so I decided to rent a bunch for the holidays.

-Conan the Barbarian: 9/10
-Princess Bride: 6.5/10
-Rear Window (Hitchcock): 10/10
-Die Hard: 9.5/10
-Lady in the Water: 6/10
-Die Hard with a Vengence: 7.5/10
-Blade Runner: 7.5/10

Yep it is official your taste in movies SUCK......SUCK

 

[bob_arctor]

Hollywood just needs to stop making movies based on Philip K. Dick stories.
They just **** them up.

Not always:

 

[Chichikov]

I haven't seen 1492, but for all of the others, absolutely.

I have never found a Ridley Scott film to be boring or unengaging to a certain degree.

I didn’t say he was.
But I find the adjectives you used to praise his work to be not really fitting for his movies, quite the opposite actually (maybe except for Alien).

 

[krypt0nian]

It's my favorite film. So much so that I don't give a **** what anyone thinks.

I really just feel bad for those who don't love Blade Runner.

 

[Stench]

I didn’t say he was.
But I find the adjectives you used to praise his work to be not really fitting for his movies, quite the opposite actually (maybe except for Alien).

Really? I dunno, I saw Gladiator a few weeks ago, and I still find its structure and pacing to be pretty damn tight: it never dawdles or loses focus on its plot points and themes. Same with the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut, which, even at over 3 hours, is *still* incredibly engaging... a damned miracle given its runtime.

 

[themadcowtipper]

Really? I dunno, I saw Gladiator a few weeks ago, and I still find its structure and pacing to be pretty damn tight: it never dawdles or loses focus on its plot points and themes. Same with the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut, which, even at over 3 hours, is *still* incredibly engaging... a damned miracle given its runtime.

If this speech in Gladiator does not get you fired up, check your pulse

My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next

Even though it is the second best film named Gladiator

j/k or am I?????