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Blade & Soul: An MMO with actual gameplay?
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V_Arnold said:
Haha. I've watched my friend play a rogue, and it did actually look enticing, but still wasn't enough to save the game, at least for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRtHA...layer_embedded
The two guys address the biggest problems I have with MMOs and what I'd like to see in one, it's just I'm very skeptical how well they can pull any of their ideas off.
I would very much like to get into an MMO, but the closest I've come to actively playing an MMO was a couple MUDs in junior high and playing Lineage 2 on a free server for a couple months in high school.
7x experience free server of Lineage 2 actually made the game fun, but the lack of a social aspect and anyone besides my one friend killed what could have been, plus watching said friend participate in PvP in L2 turned me off even more.
I'm not here to defend Blade and Soul or to bash on MMOs (besides stating there's this glaring gameplay flaw that needs to be addressed in the future of MMOs) but I do think Blade and Soul's people are aware of what needs to be changed for the future of MMOs.
At least they talk like they do.
Yes!Hawkian said:
Unicorn said:
And here in lies the problem. Its a constant among the masses of peons...err console gamers. Carrot dangling, which is what your referring to in that quote above whether or not you realize it, is a part of MMO's. Most are subscription based and the carrot dangling wont ever go away.
Pro tip: Guildwars is not a fucking MMO.
There will always be grinds in MMO's, always. Its a part of the fucking genre. Now you may not like that, but in that case you dont like MMOs. The majority of PC gamers that will bother with MMO's look for the ones they can play, where the 'grinding' is enjoyable to them. If its fun to the player then it never feels like a grind, but at its core it still is doing more of 'y' to get 'z' over and over. In DAoC you did PvP at its end game, sieging keeps, killing other players which gave currency to buy new skills to use in PvP and sieging keeps. In WoW players clear scripted instances in exchange for gear with more stats that they use to clear more difficult scripted instances. Or they PvP to get better gear to PvP with and obtain higher rankings.
Doesnt matter which MMO you pick, Ive likely played it and can boil the shit down to a grind of some sort. Thats what the ARE.
Soneet said:
I have beta tested and played at release a LOT of NCSoft games. How many screenshots can you show ME from your hard drive during the beta of their games you got accepted to? Zero? Well then dont tell me Im not allowed to know exactly what to fucking expect. The promises made here are the same that were made to me years ago as early as Lineage 2. I know better now. Doesn't matter what their nationality is because Im basing my opinion on good 'ol reputation until otherwise is actually proven.
Yeah thats right, the PC gamers are the ones who need their games simplified for them, and broken down into a nice small easily accessible "tell me what to do" package. Im not even going to waste on the tween with the MGS avatar, go have a Sunny D and watch 300 again boy.
Im seeing a pattern.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Unicorn said:
Because my PC library needs more fighting action. All I have are a couple of FPS games, and a huge collection of strategy games. I'm not a fan of point and click games, and indies aren't making any brawlers. Devil May Halfass 4 isn't something I'm willing to spend money on either.
The reason I took interest was because the trailer looked like a action brawler with RPG elements and not the other way around.
I'm okay with a grind, as long as the core gameplay is fun.Puncture said:
And, really, you're going to start the console/pc shit-throwing. Really? :lol
Don't need the game and progression force fed to me either, because I get a lot of enjoyment from different "Builds" of characters, hence the TQ/D2 love.
I also understand the MMO business model, but the time-wasting filler of long travels, grinding levels, long fetch quests, hard bosses with super rare drops, need to be paired with gameplay that's rewarding to do. Why litter the experience of so much time-wasting with boring gameplay? Why not marry the deep character development of skills and point-allocation with action-oriented true real-time mechanics?
I think developers want this to happen, but there has yet to be one who can pull it off.
I wish I had a video of me playing DC Universe Online at Comic-Con. Actively jumping out of the way from projectile attacks, picking up a lamppost and proceeding to smash a player around, freezing a player, picking him up, flying straight up and then chucking him...it's everything I ever wanted from an MMO.
Are there any action-based MMOs out right now? Not pretend action like Guild Wars but rather something that plays like a beat 'em up.
Are there any action-based MMOs out right now? Not pretend action like Guild Wars but rather something that plays like a beat 'em up.
Hari Seldon said:
LOL YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T READ? HILARIOUS!
His post (as well as past thread) seems to imply that if you are judging the game SOLELY on it's country of origin then you are racist gamer. Why not judge the game based on the information and media provided instead of assuming how it'll turn out based on previous games from that region? I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call someone a racist for that; a dumbass perhaps, but not a racist.
Eh, how much time must someone put into an MMO to say "OK, you've played an MMO."Ferrio said:
In that same quote of me, I specifically say I played Lineage 2 for a couple months. The grind was softened, but it was still the same game with hundreds of people playing simultaneously.
Is it elitism on your part because I didn't dump more than 6 months of my life into the game?
This is an honest question, coming from someone who just has surface experience with MMOs. How much time must I truly invest before I have "officially" played an MMO?
Soneet said:
Nah you didnt actually even make a point, especially seeing as I was agreeing with you about basing it on what their nationality was is stupid. Basing it on their prior releases and they games from them I have actually, you know, PLAYED however is a perfectly valid method however. I seem to have just made the mistake that you were actually worth discussing this with.
Dont worry, wont happen again.
Unicorn said:
Probably about the same amount you would play a console RPG before stating to others you have officially played that game. I.E. Merely enough to experience whatever the end game of said MMO was. If you played WoW to max level, played and did some PvP, obtained ranks blah blah blah way back when, then noone has any place claiming you didnt play it, or if you played to max level, did a little molten core way back when...likewise. Its probably not best to comment on material new to the game if you havent played since then, but the endgame would give you more than enough outlook on how the game works IMO.
A bad idea though to play to level 30 or so and genuinely lose interest then comment on the games 'complexity'. In a scenario like that, its ok that it didnt hold your interest, but you wouldnt have a clue how complex the game is at that stage.
Unicorn said:
This isn't elitism. You're asking for a genre to change while insulting it, when you're only exposure was a couple months in one that's considered very grindy.
You don't watch one shitty sci-fi movie and then go "Well all sci fi movies suck, they need to be put in the wild west!"
I played WoW for 2 periods of the 10 day trials, spent time with a handful of Free MMOs and have yet to see one with satisfying gameplay.Ferrio said:
Champions online came really close, and DC Universe seems interesting too.
It's nice that you pick and choose what I say and attack it from there, but neglecting the other parts just makes it seem like you're looking for an excuse to attack me personally without explaining the positives of the current gameplay of MMOs like Lineage 2 and WoW.
Well, when you see an new shiny RPG coming out from Japan with anime inspired art and purple prose for dialogue, you can reasonably assume that it won't have decision trees, or a good/evil alignment system and the story will be mostly linear with a smattering of side quests for fancy gear.Ryuuga said:
It's a pretty safe assumption given the kind of games Korea churns out.
Granted it's generalizing but it's not necessarily wrong. No developer is going to say "Our new game is going to be a massive grindfest but hey, here's some beautifully rendered tits and ass for you to stare at as you get carpal tunnel." when showcasing their game.
Unicorn said:
Well you should of included that instead of just saying you played Lineage 2.
As for what makes t hem fun (I'll use WoW as an example since it's the best ever since the genre started)
-Social Interaction
-The level progression (least the first time around)
-The loot and tweaking factor (the diablo syndrome, try to make your character best as possible)
-The raids.
-The story elements (least in lich).
-Exploring (though this kinda under the first level progression I suppose)
Those are all the things I DO like about MMOs, but the one thing I don't like, and the only part I'm bashing is the combat/gameplay.Ferrio said:
I'm fine with farming for minerals and hides in order to perhaps make better weaons or armor, or hitting up the same boss hoping he'll drop that super rare item I want, but why can't the actual gameplay involved to get the end-result be fun as well?
Unicorn said:
That's interesting, since you complain of cast time abilities as being deterrents to enjoyable gameplay, and yet these mechanics are for the most part absent from a good portion of WoW spells. So regardless of whether you do or do not have sufficient MMO experience, the fact that you were totally wrong indicates you really have no idea what you were talking about.
ShinNL
Member
Oh come on, don't try to act like you were actually trying to discuss something with me when you say things like:Puncture said:
"How many screenshots can you show ME from your hard drive during the beta of their games you got accepted to? Zero? Well then dont tell me Im not allowed to know exactly what to fucking expect.".
Doesn't matter what I say since your opinion is fixed:
"Doesn't matter what their nationality is because Im basing my opinion on good 'ol reputation until otherwise is actually proven.".
Yeah I get it, you're someone with an opinion and won't budge. Good for you. Your experiences prove you're not racist but a realist, great! But trying to discuss something intelligently? Don't make me laugh. If you really agreed with me you wouldn't be offended by my post in the first place, since you wouldn't be the kind who would say things like "I don't want it cause it's Korean". But since you addressed me directly not to tell you stuff it means you did feel offended. What is it, you hypocrite?
It's hard to convey WoW's endgame through a 10 day trial. The same is true of a lot of MMOs, and that's probably why the OP is complaining about the gameplay. The thing is they can't really give you all the fun stuff from beginning to end or it will: 1) get boring very fast, 2) Overwhelm the players, 3) Give you nothing to work towards and thus nothing to keep them playing and payingSykra said:
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Proof is in the pudding. I'm staying guarded and calm about any MMO hype as per usual.
Hyung-Tae Kim.
We see this truth in action now.
Kaako said:
Hyung-Tae Kim.
We see this truth in action now.
Night_Trekker
Member
SatelliteOfLove said:
It's "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Puncture said:
And the GOOD ones have a FUN experience that the grind either is made FUN or is not in the way of FUN (WoW has been extremely good about this, for example. FFXI floats some people's boats in its own way, etc.)
Which, when we get to a time when B&S is in beta, we'll be at that point (and not until then), which the abbreviated version insinuates...
SatelliteOfLove said:
Hopefully then we'll know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm5Nn5vkTf8&feature=related
Edit, also a sidenot, but feels a bit related:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html
Puncture said:
:lol U Mad? I struck a nerve with you, did they fill the raid while you were typing here? I never said PC gamers are the ones complaining about normal videogame difficulty and being complex, just the MMORPG players. They're the ones who generally suck at videogames and stick to MMORPGs, because of how simple the games are. Nice try tho considering I'm a PC gamer too lol
HarryDemeanor
Member
aktham said:
HarryDemeanor said:
That's like saying all fighting games are balanced because there is Virtua Fighter.
Edit:
Clearly I was talking about EVE players *rolls eyes* Ok there's one complex MMORPG (that has a small share of the MMORPG market btw) and now all of the sudden MMORPG players are gaming gurus :lol
Cow Mengde
Banned
Aselith said:
You have Bluetooth and a Wiimote?
Actually, people might even make creepy nude mods for this game. I saw one for Oblivion. Can you say barf-tastic?
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Wow, I'm actually pretty impressed by how nice this looks. It's a really decent 3D representation of the artist's crazy ass art; which looks better with three dimensions.
Although that could just be because of those big ass child bearing hips and big ol' titties.
Still, really quite impressed and I'm not one you'd consider an HKT fan normally.
Although that could just be because of those big ass child bearing hips and big ol' titties.
Still, really quite impressed and I'm not one you'd consider an HKT fan normally.
Games are still trying to learn from Anarchy Online. That game is 9 years old this year.
The only MMO with 'gameplay' and actually good fighting was Matrix Online. This game will at best be the same thing that system was, which is pressing buttons causing cool animations.
Another MMO with knockback. Yay?
I did platform-like jumping in Anarchy Online 7 years ago. And I had low fps. That shit was hardcore.
The only MMO with 'gameplay' and actually good fighting was Matrix Online. This game will at best be the same thing that system was, which is pressing buttons causing cool animations.
Another MMO with knockback. Yay?
I did platform-like jumping in Anarchy Online 7 years ago. And I had low fps. That shit was hardcore.
Anyway why bring this up now? There's been no news for months unless I missed something.
http://bnsfacts.wordpress.com/
Some Q&A (None of this will probably get in and it'll be generic) but I can hope...
http://bnsfacts.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/this-is-game-interview-47-qa-part-1/
http://bnsfacts.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/this-is-game-interview-47-qa-part-2/
Also have some more bullshots.
ShinNL
Member
I really don't recommend playing this right now. The latest update introduced Metamorphosis which seems awesome judging by this page (lots of short clips):Quagm1r3 said:Looks fun! I'm sold. Downloading now.
http://valkyriesky.wikia.com/wiki/Metamorphosis
But...
That same update brought a bunch of bugs including random crashes while traveling and some weird inventory bug which only fixes itself after restarting multiple times. It's really no fun when it's that buggy. Maybe just install it and check it later (so you don't forget it), but starting the game right now would be quite a horrible experience.
I also got some gameplay vids on my YT channel.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
At the same time, though, the US publisher seems to be pretty on the ball when it comes to addressing player concerns and bug fixing, a rarity amoung free MMOs. I only hop on VSky every once in a while when I have time in between school, and I didn't notice anything too buggy, so YMMV?