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[darkace]

The source is the author, not a news outlet reporting an authors work.
Like... do you not understand the difference or something?

Reputable media reporting the existence of disreputable research doesn't make that research reputable by the sole fact of reporting on it.

e:
Because jesus christ, the BBC reports on scientology, that doesn't make scientologys beliefs verifably accurate based on the transitive property

You don't actually have a point. You're just throwing shit at the wall in the hope it sticks.

I'm not arguing for the veracity of that particular study. I don't really care about it.

 

[LordRaptor]

You don't actually have a point. You're just throwing shit at the wall in the hope it sticks.

I'm not arguing for the veracity of that particular study. I don't really care about it.

Then why did you cite it as a refutation of a more recent study detailing the opposite of your claims, and discount the newer study not on the basis of anything it actually said but because its existence was reported by the Guardian?

e:
The study wasn't about America. At all. But it demonstrates that the imposition of sweeping legislation had a direct correlation on related gun violence.
If you want to make the case that Australia and the Us are different enough that what applies to one does not apply to the other, fair enough, but you can't just invent facts that have been proven to be untrue to support your own hypothesis, and then double down on those invented facts by citing authors that you know are junk.

 

[darkace]

Then why did you cite it as a refutation of a more recent study detailing the opposite of your claims, and discount the newer study not on the basis of anything it actually said but because its existence was reported by the Guardian?

e:
The study wasn't about America. At all. But it demonstrates that the imposition of sweeping legislation had a direct correlation on related gun violence.
If you want to make the case that Australia and the Us are different enough that what applies to one does not apply to the other, fair enough, but you can't just invent facts that have been proven to be untrue to support your own hypothesis, and then double down on those invented facts by citing authors that you know are junk.

I cited a whole heap of studies that you continue to ignore. Is there a reason that you ignore the meta-study into the effects of the gun ban that found no impact on homicides?

Your whole argument is 'this one study is by an author who is bad but the study is ok therefore every other study into the effects that find no correlation between the two is trash'.

 

[clem84]

There's an issue with systemic racism in police interactions and society at large.

There's an issue with lax gun laws resulting in escalated police force as a response.

They intersect w/ higher rates of unjustified shootings w/ black Americans.

That's always how I've seen it. The two problems exacerbate each other, which then causes them to amplify in time. The police becomes increasingly distrustful of the African-American community, which in turn tends to more frequently purchase and use their guns.

Take guns out of the equation America... You have no idea how far that will take you.

 

[Zomba13]

Racism (though not to the same degree), mental illness, poverty and all the scape goats you like to blame this on exist in the UK and Australia and most of the developed world.

Your problem is guns.

This is how I feel. I mean, there does seem to be more of an issue with racism in the US regarding the police force and black Americans compared to the UK (in that you see and hear much more about Black Americans being killed or wrongfully arrested in the US) but still, racism isn't an American only thing and the rest of the world isn't past it. The rest of the world does have better gun control laws either through things like bannings or just better regulations and checks and has a much lower rate of gun crime.

Obviously, in a nation where guns are seemingly more important to people than the other things in their constitution it'd be super hard to implement anything, especially when the NRA do everything they can to get guns into the hands of more people and try to stop any sort of regulation or checks or research from being done.

Yeah, there are more issues in American than just guns, but guns are still one of the issues and one that you'd think would be fairly easy to solve compared to racism, mental illness and poverty. Plus guns are the only thing here that are made for killing.