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[hiex_]

It's not sexist if I want a harem, stop attacking me.

 

[StopMakingSense]

you might be right, but most people on craigslist signed a lease with a landlord and it's usually the landlord who does the checks/references, not the tenant, but point taken.

lol no. Most times I've found its people who are month to month after the first year and the landlord could hardly care less who else is renting as long as one person on the lease is still there.

every place I've ever considered had my references called, credit checked, and a background check before I could move in. but just my personal circumstances

Right, after you've already been in the apartment to see it.

 

[CygnusXS]

Just let women have their safe spaces, especially the ones they live in.

 

[Kazerei]

there are business owners who use the very same logic that justify their bigotry towards gays, you know. private business and all that. you, too are missing the point.

Learn what public accommodation is.

I know what it is, you're missing the point.

Did you even look up public accommodation? Nearly all businesses count as public entities. That is why they are not allowed to discriminate against protected groups.

When you hear the phrase "private business" it means a privately-owned business that does not sell shares to the general public through the stock market and is not owned in part by the government.

 

[foodtaster]

lol no.



Right, after you've already been in the apartment to see it.

maybe in your case. i'm looking at decent to high quality neighborhoods, so in my case, yes. and as to your second point, yes. of course, i'm not sure what you're implying. are you implying that a man would attack a woman upon first sight?

Did you even look up public accommodation? Nearly all businesses count as public entities. That is why they are not allowed to discriminate against protected groups.

When you hear the phrase "private business" it means a privately-owned business that does not sell shares to the general public through the stock market and is not owned in part by the government.

yes, I already know what it is, and I know it's illegal. people still do it, though. they argue that their business is private and you can just not go there (which is false as we have already agreed), hence my post "that's the logic bigots use"

also the argument of "stranger danger" is pretty bad, since females also rape females, plus a man could simply pretend to be a female and attack if that were his goal (which can and does happen), etc. there's always a possibility of danger on craigslist, regardless of sex.

such risks can be nearly negated by asking for certain qualifications. I've even seen some posts require proof of doing a masters or phd with the name of the school and dean.

 

[THRILLH0]

Dude, most guys would love to have a (hot) female roommate, because he thinks there's a possibility he might get to bang her.

Women don't want male roommates because they know that the guy is probably thinking about banging them.

This isn't a difficult equation to solve. Come on.

This is the logic people use to diminish male rape.

I don't agree with the OP but I kinda sorta see his point.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I am increasingly convinced OP is a computer program that has gained sentience. Everything he has posted is so semantic and devoid of societal context.

 

[Wensih]

If I had a property I'd rather rent it to women because I am a man and I know how shitty men can be when it comes to cleaning and taking care of things. Not to say there aren't women who are bad at that as well but I'd still feel safer renting my property to a woman.

Trust me women can be just as shitty when it comes to cleaning and taking care of things.

I just threw out a bunch of liquefied vegetables from my fridge and pantry after my roommate moved out.

 

[Forkball]

What don't you get OP?

Women like to live with other women due to safety and comfort issues. THAT'S IT.

 

[Not]

OP, how often do you go outside and feel instinctively afraid of all the female serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles that exist?

 

[Tomita]

I agree that there should be safe spaces for marginalized groups. what do you think about an employer discriminating on the basis of sex, to keep their women employees comfortable?

The work place is totally the same thing as your living quarters.

Yep, you're too obtuse. I'm out. Have fun being bothered at women wanting to feel comfortable in their own dwellings.

 

[foodtaster]

What don't you get OP?

Women like to live with other women due to safety and comfort issues. THAT'S IT.

what do you not get? i'm saying that very thing is sexist. the purpose of this thread is to discuss why people accept such sexism. I understand that, silly.

The work place is totally the same thing as your living quarters.

Yep, you're too obtuse. I'm out. Have fun being bothered at women wanting to feel comfortable in their own dwellings.

bye

OP, how often do you go outside and feel instinctively afraid of all the female serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles that exist?

irrelevant. this isn't a discussion of "oh but how much have you suffered"

 

[User 100115]

maybe in your case. i'm looking at decent to high quality neighborhoods, so in my case, yes. and as to your second point, yes. of course, i'm not sure what you're implying. are you implying that a man would attack a woman upon first sight?

I don't think that's what anyone is implying at all. I don't believe a man would attack a woman upon first sight.

...but again, A LOT of women have been raised to fear strange men.

I mean, shit like this was posted on boards at my high school:

http://www.thenonprofits.com/safety.htm

It's bullshit, yes, but that fear never really leaves you. I know 99.9% of men and people in general are decent folk, but if I am walking alone down a dark street and man is walking alone towards me, I am still going to feel that little tick of fear in my chest, because that's how I was raised.

 

[Not]

what do you not get? i'm saying that very thing is sexist. the purpose of this thread is to discuss why people accept such sexism. I understand that, silly.

Looks like the mental exercise of "pretending to be a woman for ten seconds" is too much for OP's cerebrum to handle

 

[Rafterman]

This just seems like one of those get "over it and move on" issues and not a "woe is me" type issue.

 

[foodtaster]

I don't think that's what anyone is implying at all. I don't believe a man would attack a woman upon first sight.

...but again, A LOT of women have been raised to fear strange men.

I mean, shit like this was posted on boards at my high school:

http://www.thenonprofits.com/safety.htm

It's bullshit, yes, but that fear never really leaves you. I know 99.9% of men and people in general are decent folk, but if I am walking alone down a dark street and man is walking alone towards me, I am still going to feel that little tick of fear in my chest, because that's how I was raised.

I understand, and i'm just saying that don't you think that is sexist? I mean, I've had some unfortunate encounters with some minorities and hesitate slightly when I see them, and that makes me slightly uncomfortable (slightly racist, more likely), but that wouldn't be justification to not allow them to be my roommates, or are you saying that it is?

Looks like the mental exercise of "pretending to be a woman for ten seconds" is too much for OP

if this discussion is over your head, then you can go. cya

 

[shanshan310]

I've seen a load of those kind of listings for dudes wanting a male sharemate too. People don't feel comfortable sharing a room with a stranger of the opposite sex. Surprise? If I was advertising I wouldn't want to share a room with a man who I didn't know either.

 

[StopMakingSense]

yes, I already know what it is, and I know it's illegal. people still do it, though. they argue that their business is private and you can just not go there (which is false as we have already agreed), hence my post "that's the logic bigots use"

also the argument of "stranger danger" is pretty bad, since females also rape females, plus a man could simply pretend to be a female and attack if that were his goal (which can and does happen), etc. there's always a possibility of danger on craigslist, regardless of sex.

such risks can be nearly negated by asking for certain qualifications. I've even seen some posts require proof of doing a masters or phd with the name of the school and dean.

For fuck's sake, risk isn't about thinking something is going to happen 100% or not happen 100%. The way women have been raised and socialized in this country, letting strange men into your home is just a bad idea. A woman being attacked and/or raped is a life-altering experience, and how they choose to mitigate this risk in their own fucking home is their prerogative.

You are being pretty flippant if you think you can just hand wave the fear women might have of letting strange men into their home.


Either way, this is beyond just fear of rape/attack, it's just normal socialization.

 

[foodtaster]

For fuck's sake, risk isn't about thinking something is going to happen 100% or not happen 100%. The way women have been raised and socialized in this country, letting strange men into your home is just a bad idea. A woman being attacked and/or raped is a life-altering experience, and how they choose to mitigate this risk in their own fucking home is their prerogative.

You are being pretty flippant if you think you can just hand wave the fear women might have of letting strange men into their home.

if there were similar circumstances with a minority of your choice, would you be saying the same things? besides, you're still missing the point.

 

[StopMakingSense]

if there were similar circumstances with a minority of your choice, would you be saying the same things?

So if the question was completely different because you think it might make your argument look better, then would I have a different answer?

 

[foodtaster]

So if the question was completely different because you think it should be, then would I have a different answer?

it's fundamentally the same. if you cannot understand, then we can cease discussion. also

to make it simple let's consider 4 circumstances

1. empty apartment, first tenant
2. 2 rooms occupied, man and woman
3. 1 room occupied, man
4. 1 room occupied, woman

all other scenarios can be boiled down to one of these. do you think in any of these cases it's acceptable to discriminate on the basis of sex? if your answer is yes, then it should be yes for all of them, but you'll quickly realize that's a silly thing to think.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

When I was on okcupid way back I met a lot of women, romantic and platonic, and one of them lived out of town but was moving close to my area. She asked me where the lower crime areas were, it never dawned on me to even think about that which I probably should because I could get my home broken into. Women worry about way more things like that than men.


It's not really sexist it's more about keeping themselves safe.

 

[CygnusXS]

if there were similar circumstances with a minority of your choice, would you be saying the same things? besides, you're still missing the point.

Either you have no idea what power dynamics are and how they're shaped between real life social groups or you're trolling and kind of a shitty person. I'm leaning towards the second option.

 

[potam]

it's fundamentally the same. if you cannot understand, then we can cease discussion. also

It's not fundamentally the same. Male-female interactions are inherently different than female-female or male-male. It's an entirely different dynamic, and if you can't see that, you're being willfully blind.

This is about as sexist as a tampon being advertised as a female hygiene product.

 

[foodtaster]

When I was on okcupid way back I met a lot of women, romantic and platonic, and one of them lived out of town but was moving close to my area. They asked me where the lower crime areas were, it never dawned on me to even think about that which I probably should because I could get my home broken into. Women worry about way more things like that than men.


It's not really sexist it's more about keeping themselves safe.

I dunno how that situation is the same as the one i'm discussing.

Either you have no idea what power dynamics are and how they're shaped between real life social groups or you're trolling and kind of a shitty person. I'm leaning towards the second option.

you can think whatever you'd like, man.

 

[Forkball]

what do you not get? i'm saying that very thing is sexist. the purpose of this thread is to discuss why people accept such sexism. I understand that, silly

People accept it because men oppressed women for thousands of years and all they asked for is another female roommate. Can we give them this one thing? Many countries have women-only train cars so they won't be harassed, especially late at night. Are those sexist? It's for safety you loon.

You are obviously bitter about this since you lived with a woman and she walked all over you. I thought you'd be thrilled to you won't have to experience that again.

 

[User 100115]

I understand, and i'm just saying that don't you think that is sexist? I mean, I've had some unfortunate encounters with some minorities and hesitate slightly when I see them, and that makes me slightly uncomfortable (slightly racist, more likely), but that wouldn't be justification to not allow them to be my roommates, or are you saying that it is?

Sure it's sexist. Both ways. It keeps women afraid, puts a lot of the blame on them for not 'protecting themselves enough', and it paints men as savage beasts who can't control their urges.

But again, imagine for a moment that you are significantly smaller than 50% of the population. If a member of the other 50% of the population wanted to hurt you, there'd be little you could do to stop them. Imagine that the threat of this has been driven into your head since you could understand language, making you not only slightly ashamed of your own form but terrified that some stranger will jump out of the bushes and attack you at any given moment. Imagine, god forbid, that you were actually one of the 1 in 6 that have been raped by a member of that other 50%. Would you be comfortable inviting someone you've never met into your home that of that 50%?

It is not comparable to racism, as all races have men and women.

 

[Not]

if this discussion is over your head, then you can go. cya

I'm staying right here.

Do you understand the difference in scale between male assault and female assault? Or are you planning to continue ignoring that as well as the rest of the evidence stacked against the perpetuation of your persecution complex, and just stick with the "but it's sexist against men!!!!" mentality? Or rather, "this is the only form of 'sexism' I care about because it is a hell of a great deal beyond my rational capabilities to figure out why misogyny is much, much more detrimental than anti-male sexism to the survival of human fucking beings?"

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

I dunno how that situation is the same as the one i'm discussing.


you can think whatever you'd like, man.

They worry more about being assaulted, and part of that might be living with a man. Is it really hard to understand?

 

[foodtaster]

Sure it's sexist. Both ways. It keeps women afraid, and it paints men as beasts who can't control their urges.

But again, imagine for a moment that you are significantly smaller than 50% of the population. If a member of the other 50% of the population wanted to hurt you, there'd be little you could do to stop them. Imagine that the threat of this has been driven into your heading since you could understand language, making you not only slightly ashamed of your own form but terrified that some stranger will jump out of the bushes and attack you at any given moment. Imagine, god forbid, that you were actually one of the 1 in 6 that have been raped by a member of that other 50%. Would you be comfortable inviting someone you've never met into your home that of that 50%?

It is not comparable to racism, as all races have men and women.

I understand. so, to use your logic, less than 50% of the population, lets' say minorities. the larger percentage wants to oppress you, let's say white people. threat of this has been driven since you can understand language, for some minorities this is true. ok so the question is, do you think it is ok for this person to not allow white people?

People accept it because men oppressed women for thousands of years and all they asked for is another female roommate. Can we give them this one thing? Many countries have women-only train cars so they won't be harassed, especially late at night. Are those sexist? It's for safety you loon.

You are obviously bitter about this since you lived with a woman and she walked all over you. I thought you'd be thrilled to you won't have to experience that again.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you understand the difference in scale between male assault and female assault? Or are you planning to continue ignoring that as well as the rest of the evidence stacked against the perpetuation of your persecution complex, and just stick with the "but it's sexist against men!!!!" mentality? Or rather, "this is the only form of 'sexism' I care about because it is a hell of a great deal beyond my rational capabilities to figure out why misogyny is much, much more detrimental than anti-male sexism to the survival of human fucking beings?"

hi. yup I understand the difference. it's irrelevant, that's not what the thread is about. here you go, just answer this and we'll be done:

They worry more about being assaulted, and part of that might be living with a man. Is it really hard to understand?

would you say this about black people attempting to live with white people? if no, why not? black people are statistically more likely than white people to be arrested for assault (notice I say arrested for assault, not necessarily assault).

to make it simple let's consider 4 circumstances

1. empty apartment, first tenant
2. 2 rooms occupied, man and woman
3. 1 room occupied, man
4. 1 room occupied, woman

all other scenarios can be boiled down to one of these. do you think in any of these cases it's acceptable to discriminate on the basis of sex? if your answer is yes, then it should be yes for all of them, but you'll quickly realize that's a silly thing to think.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Also, for some people, they may have ways of being in their home that they would have to change when a man is present, such as lounging in the home in their underwear 'cause fuckit, that they feel they wouldn't be able to do with a man present because the dichotomy of sexuality makes it an inherently sexual and unequal act.

 

[foodtaster]

Also, for some people, they may have ways of being in their home that they would have to change when a man is present, such as lounging in the home in their underwear 'cause fuckit, that they feel they wouldn't be able to do with a man present because the dichotomy of sexuality makes it an inherently sexual and unequal act.

this is silly, because it presumes all women would be ok with stranger woman roommates doing this. I highly doubt that (though I do understand your point regardless).

 

[potam]

this is silly

this is silly

this is silly

this is silly

.

 

[terribletwo]

Don't let these chaps get you down OP. Its kind of like a job application. The "required" qualifications are typically a smoke screen, to filter out the people who aren't serious. You shoudl apply anyway

 

[shanshan310]

I understand. so, to use your logic, less than 50% of the population, lets' say minorities. the larger percentage wants to oppress you, let's say white people. threat of this has been driven since you can understand language, for some minorities this is true. ok so the question is, do you think it is ok for this person to not allow white people?


hi. yup I understand the difference. it's irrelevant, that's not what the thread is about. here you go, just answer this and we'll be done:


would you say this about black people attempting to live with white people? if no, why not? black people are statistically more likely than white people to be arrested for assault (notice I say arrested for assault, not necessarily assault).

I guess apparently we aren't allowed to talk about the actual social context, except if we are making analogies to race for some reason. Actual reasons why people want same sex room mates are irrelevant.

Also, fyi women make up more than 50% of the population dude.

 

[CLEEK]

Hey OP, you should try house hunting in Australia where the listings contain blatant racism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YM9Ereg2Zo

 

[foodtaster]

Don't let these chaps get you down OP. Its kind of like a job application. The "required" qualifications are typically a smoke screen, to filter out the people who aren't serious. You shoudl apply anyway

oh, I do and I've seen some great places even though they said "females only", I'm just curious to why so many of them say it to begin with and why people think it's ok. i'm pretty much unaffected by random internet comments. thx for the support tho

I guess apparently we aren't allowed to talk about the actual social context, except if we are making analogies to race for some reason. Actual reasons why people want same sex room mates are irrelevant.

Also, fyi women make up more than 50% of the population dude.

there are too many specific scenarios to talk about individual ones, dude. look at the new op. i'm talking abt 4 general scenarios I've seen. I guess I've been pretty poor in explaining it. my badz

 

[User 100115]

I understand. so, to use your logic, less than 50% of the population, lets' say minorities. the larger percentage wants to oppress you, let's say white people. threat of this has been driven since you can understand language, for some minorities this is true. ok so the question is, do you think it is ok for this person to not allow white people?

No I don't think you do understand

It has nothing to do with racism.

And men post men only roomate ads as well. So...

I don't really think I am going to change your mind on this so I will just I hope you find a roomate and good luck

 

[foodtaster]

No I don't think you do understand

It has nothing to do with racism.

And men post men only roomate ads as well. So...

I don't really think I am going to change your mind on this so I will just I hope you find a roomate and good luck

yeah, I think men posting men is also sexism. sex and race as well as ethnicity should all be irrelevant. dunno what ur point is there. and yes, your point was oppressed vs oppressor right? fail to see how you can't have the same context with other groups. anyway, cya.

 

[shanshan310]

there are too many specific scenarios to talk about individual ones, dude. look at the new op. i'm talking abt 4 general scenarios I've seen. I guess I've been pretty poor in explaining it. my badz

I'm not a dude.

I think, when looking for a room mate, it's acceptable to want to live with whoever you want.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I guess apparently we aren't allowed to talk about the actual social context, except if we are making analogies to race for some reason. Actual reasons why people want same sex room mates are irrelevant.

Also, fyi women make up more than 50% of the population dude.

Of course not! Social context is silly! Productive discussions can only be had through hamfisted comparisons to racism.

 

[Not]

I understand the difference. it's irrelevant, that's not what the thread is about. here you go, just answer this and we'll be done:


would you say this about black people attempting to live with white people? if no, why not? black people are statistically more likely than white people to be arrested for assault (notice I say arrested for assault, not necessarily assault).

No, the difference between male>female sexism and female>male sexism is not "irrelevant." And if you don't realize that, your entire argument is fundamentally broken, and there is no real discussion to be had with you.

Racism is such an entirely different issue.

There is no biological difference in a person with more or less melanin in their skin that makes them more aggressive, naturally stronger, and more able to force intercourse on another person.

There is no fundamental difference between people with observably different skin palettes that causes one side to be physically stronger than the other.

So why cling desperately to that comparison?

 

[foodtaster]

No, the difference between male>female sexism and female>male sexism is not "irrelevant." And if you don't realize that, your entire argument is fundamentally broken, and there is no real discussion to be had with you.

Racism is such an entirely different issue.

There is no biological difference in a person with more or less melanin in their skin that makes them more aggressive, naturally stronger, and hornier.

There is no fundamental difference between people with observably different skin palettes that causes one side to be physically stronger than the other.

So why cling desperately to that comparison?

what exactly is your point? are you suggesting that you think women are biologically inferior in some way therefore that justifies the need for them to not allow men in their home? anyway, the real point of the thread is in the new op.

 

[Not]

what exactly is your point? are you suggesting that you think women are biologically inferior in some way therefore that justifies the need for them to not allow men in their home? anyway, the real point of the thread is in the new op.

If "physically weaker" is "biologically inferior" to you, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[shanshan310]

Also, for some people, they may have ways of being in their home that they would have to change when a man is present, such as lounging in the home in their underwear 'cause fuckit, that they feel they wouldn't be able to do with a man present because the dichotomy of sexuality makes it an inherently sexual and unequal act.

This is a good point, and it works for both sexes wanting to live in single sex rooms.

 

[Forkball]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

This thread you posted about living with a female roommate. You remember this yes? It just sounds like you are bitter.

And what do you think of women-only train cars? Some countries have them permanently, and others have them for certain hours. Is that sexist? Should women be forced to ride in trains at night with drunk guys?

 

[Nose Master]

A woman doesn't want to invite a random dude off of craigslist to live with her? I'm shocked!

 

[Kamion]

I get OP's point but this is a very common thing. It really depends on the person running the ad.

I can understand a woman wanting to be on the safe side and only looking for another woman because she will feel safer that way. If I was a woman I wouldn't want to let random men from CL in my flat for interviews. That shit is dangerous. Sadly we still live in a time where this is the case.

If it's men looking for women only... Well.

There was an ad on a German flat share website recently that said "we're two good looking guys with great jobs but we don't really have time. We'd like a woman living with us. Only thing you'd have to do is be open for sexual favours from time to time. But never with us both at the same time"
Since then I always imagine something like this

 

[foodtaster]

If "physically weaker" is "biologically inferior" to you, that makes a lot of sense.

you have a strange reading comp going on, I was asking a question, that's what the question mark (?) means man. besides, that's a pretty poor argument, what about short scrawny men? big buff women?

This thread you posted about living with a female roommate. You remember this yes? It just sounds like you are bitter.

And what do you think of women-only train cars? Some countries have them permanently, and others have them for certain hours. Is that sexist? Should women be forced to ride in trains at night with drunk guys?

I fail to see how an old (60+) female landlord has to do with anything. i'm glad ur bored to check my history though. check it some more plz. man, looking at that thread, what a horrible landlord. meh. anyway, read the new op. thx

And what do you think of women-only train cars? Some countries have them permanently, and others have them for certain hours. Is that sexist? Should women be forced to ride in trains at night with drunk guys?

my opinion on women-only train cars would be the same as white or black only train cars. take it as u will

 

[99hertz]

I've been looking at the job ads on the newspaper and they're full of ads asking for girls to work in bars. I'm not sure why but there's a huge demand for attractive young women. There's not much demand for bitter old men that don't understand the cartoon strip section. Last week week I started looking for items to make a bindle, I had a red blanket in the kitchen but it smelled like meatloaf and had strange stains. I don't want my fellow train-hoppers to think I'm dirty. Luckily I found a broken wood baseball bat and a burlap sack with half of a dog's turd in it.