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Blizzard Legally Opposes Valve Trademark Over DOTA Name [Up: Trial Schedule]
- Thread starter Drkirby
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Your avatar is also going to be taken down, because Un'goro Crater in WoW has orange-coloured dinosaurs.This thread makes me terrified that I'll have to change my username or else be sued by Kotick.
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
bigtroyjon
Member
You don't need a degree but I would think the ability to be able to read a link and see that there is no lawsuit here would be a minimal requirement.
You're right that it was a company that bought Activision, but that company was Vivendi, not Viacom. I've made that mistake before too.
I don't even know where this is going now.
Well, been playing dota 2 nonstop for a while now... Still have no idea why its not called Dota HD or something.
Valve definately in the wrong with trademarking it, they should be able to use it though in some way or another.
Valve definately in the wrong with trademarking it, they should be able to use it though in some way or another.
Did you try trademarking it?This thread makes me terrified that I'll have to change my username or else be sued by Kotick.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Blizzard has already made progress on this. It's called Blizzard DOTA, and they copyright it way later than Valve ever did DOTA 2.
Think of it as this way. Kassatsu has been making "Playstation Update" thread for vet since PS3 existed. Somewhere down the line he created his own website PSNStores and now uses the much improved format of GAF thread in his website, while still linking here since he is awesome like that.
Evilore gets pissed and sues Kassatsu for copyright infringement since PSNStores look similar to GAF thread.
Do you think that makes any bit of sense? It's like some guy coming up with an idea in my garage and me suing him for taking that idea to his own home and trying to make it better without relying on my tools.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Fire the jurors. Replace them with lawyers. Kenak has spoken!
jediyoshi
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As is hyperbolizing with the word literally. My poor soul can't take.
boundedseven
Banned
It's about time
This thread makes me terrified that I'll have to change my username or else be sued by Kotick.
You'll be happy to know the topic title is incorrect and Blizzard is not suing Valve, they're opposing their trademark registration.
SteveWinwood
Member
They sorta trademarked it in the first place to prevent this sort of stupid shit from happening in the first place. Not sure where people are getting this 'Valve is in the wrong for doing that' attitude from. It's just DOTA, not DotA.
RadiantRule
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Quoting the description of a uni course. Nice...
thetrin
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This is the exact fucking analogy I made to my roommate.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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So you're saying 247/260 posts as of yours are clueless? I demand a recount on this embarrassing comment of embarrassment.
faceless007
Member
On the question of how the courts are likely to rule (which is the most pertinent question in the thread), I'd give more weight to most lawyers than any random Internet schmuck. Anyone can have an opinion but I don't think it's controversial to say that someone who's been educated on the subject has more credibility than "Of course Blizzard's in the right because EULAs and stuff."
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yes? It is indeed nice. Isn't that what you demanded? Want me to quote my entire lecture notes to you as well? Your contribution please...
The fact that it's DOTA and not DotA means absolutely nothing in this trademark dispute. Otherwise I'd be making money selling CoCA-Cola.
95% was being generous. If anything it's closer to 99%. The link isn't even to a lawsuit.
bigtroyjon
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Might want to use some of the legal knowledge and actually read the complaint. And I would also hope that you don't think a trademark and copyright are the same thing.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Except Coca-cola is a trademark/patent and "Mom's awesome mix of milk and cola" isn't.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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It's for a patent infringement. Everyone know what patent valve is infringing if Blizzard is involved.
SteveWinwood
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I was going more on about people saying oh it's the community's and shit. Yeah, that's DotA. This is DOTA.
No, it's not for patent infringement.
Trademarks, patents and copyrights are three different things.
I make my own mix, thank you very much.
In any case, Blizzard claims they have licensed DOTA.
Dumb move imo. should just focus on their own project and make it stand out. Blizzard DOTA does look kinda cool. Needs a name change though. Something cool like how Nintendo came up with Super Smash Bros. As corny as that sounds LoL is now it's own game to many people who never even played (or heard) of DotA. Nothign keeping this project from doing the same. "Blizzard DOTA" is probably the most generic thing you could call the project seeing as it has the potential to make its own mark. It should also be treated with as much pristine and polish as LoL is so it doesn't seem like a lacking competitor. Isn't it going to just be a StarCraft 2 mod? I feel like they could release it as a stand alone f2p.
Phoenician_Viking
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Can someone please clarify this for me. DotA is a mod to WOW, can Valve release DotA without the permission of Blizzard?
RadiantRule
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Contribution to what? This thread? Probably about as much as you. Society? Probably more than you.
There's nothing wrong with Valve trademarking Dota, because it's an abbreviation, and they did that on purpose (And I assume Dota was not taken). They would, at the least, have some trouble if they trademarked Defense of the Ancients.
ALso to those talking about EULAs, I'm pretty sure they have no legal bearing.
ALso to those talking about EULAs, I'm pretty sure they have no legal bearing.
SerArthurDayne
Member
Just so people realize, this isn't really a lawsuit.
Valve files for Trademark.
A period of time is created after that filing, where anybody who has a problem files an opposition seeking to prevent granting of the trademark. This can be for a variety of reasons, you use it under the common law, you believe it will create confusion or dilute the value of your mark, too similar to your mark, etc.
Valve files an answer (which unsurprisingly, will be much less favorable of Blizzard's rights than Blizzard's own filing)
An examiner at the Patent & Trademark Office will examine the filing, the opposition, and render a decision on whether to grant the trademark or not.
If trademark is granted, it is still subject to subsequent legal challenge, in an actual lawsuit, for a variety of reasons.
Valve files for Trademark.
A period of time is created after that filing, where anybody who has a problem files an opposition seeking to prevent granting of the trademark. This can be for a variety of reasons, you use it under the common law, you believe it will create confusion or dilute the value of your mark, too similar to your mark, etc.
Valve files an answer (which unsurprisingly, will be much less favorable of Blizzard's rights than Blizzard's own filing)
An examiner at the Patent & Trademark Office will examine the filing, the opposition, and render a decision on whether to grant the trademark or not.
If trademark is granted, it is still subject to subsequent legal challenge, in an actual lawsuit, for a variety of reasons.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Welp. Someone is missing the joke. Welcome to GAF <3
And thinking of it in the abbreviated form, it's even more telling here that neither Coca-Cole nor CoCA-COlA are trademarked in this hypothetical case so either could reasonably be taken so far as I can tell. If the Coca-Cola company was never founded but the drink simply existed as a home brew drink, could someone not name their product that because people were already calling it that?
Yes. They have indeed CLAIMED that which is why most everyone was laughing at them before we got down into the nitty-gritty of who is actually evil.
That would not even warrant an eyebrow raise. That would actualy be a good name also.
bigtroyjon
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Really enjoying how you came into this thread using a course to description to make it seem like you have a certain level of knowledge and are using trademark and patent as the same word.
Might want to ask your school for a refund.
walking fiend
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so you are merely interested in whose lawyer is the better lawyer, and don't care if Valve is doing a dickshit move that will kill the whole DotA community out of what Valve will be offering?
But Blizzard is an evil entity that is only after money and monopoly over DotA, while Gabe Newell is a white knight defending the gaming, even if it costs Valve to lose money in the end!
mescalineeyes
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For a lifelong PC gamer, this thread is like mommy and daddy getting into a fight:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Dude, my entire level of obscurity is missed. Looks like I'm winning here.
P.S. Coca cola name is a trademark. Formula is patent. Check mate sarcasm detector!
So like, you do understand that IceFrog is still actively developing the map as well right?
He just released a new update like a month ago.
It had four new heroes and a bunch of balance changes: http://www.playdota.com/changelogs/6.73
Phoenician_Viking
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Dota is a mod made in Warcraft 3, not WoW
Yeah, a slip of the tongue
, but it´s still a Blizzard game Sure mate you're winning.
Well Dota 2 is going to kill the remaining Defense of the Ancients community, so yes. It does matter. If you like playing DOTA but not Dota 2 then you're going to lose out on a lot actually.
Just like Source killed 1.6, amirite?