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BNP memberships leaked online
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aswedc said:
If the teacher was treating one student differently than another it would be noticed by SOMEONE, and you know that very well. And if it's not noticeable? then we go back to my view that unless they're doing something wrong they should keep their job. Let's not have any ideological witch hunts, the US tried that during McCarthyism.
travisbickle
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Gaborn said:
It's not a belief it's a plan of action, the BNP if they get into power will remove all immigrants from Britain, by voting for the BNP you agree with their future actions. You think that someone who is in a postion to mould a childs future should be allowed to if they think and want said child to be removed from the country.
dark steve
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Mash said:
It is a concrete law that the higher the version number, the better the product.
Who is going to notice if the teacher grades an assignment harder for one student? Who is going to notice if the teacher doesn't call on a student unless there is no other option? Who is going to notice if a teacher helps a student but always says to another, sorry, I'm too busy right now.Gaborn said:
dark steve said:
Okay, so your argument in full is that racist views are abhorrent because they can't be defended by sane people. The only people that defend them are not sane because they hold racist views.
If you can't see why that's a fucking retarded argument, then I'd rather have a BNP member teaching my children than you. At least there's a possibility that they'd end up with a basic grasp of logic.
dark steve
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Circular reasoning is perfectly acceptable in internet debates, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
aswedc said:
I'd think that the student would notice that a teacher was unavailable to help them. I'd also tend to assume that if certain students were consistently (and disproportionately) graded lower that someone would catch on. Again though, you're assuming something that isn't necessarily true, that a member of the BNP would automatically do that.
dark steve
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I know better than to seriously argue about political beliefs.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
White only political party? Oh Britian :lol
liquid_gears
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The Gansons are on there - the entire family.
They are a known family gang in Manchester, involved in general violence and theft. I'm pretty sure one of them was sent down not too long ago for a hit and run incident.
Either way, although I don't support the BNP, they are not an illegal organisation and I don't agree with people who want to 'pay them a visit' etc, no matter who they are. These people should be educated on the matter rather than just perecuted as being a racist, white thugs, which evidently some are, but most are not.
They are a known family gang in Manchester, involved in general violence and theft. I'm pretty sure one of them was sent down not too long ago for a hit and run incident.
Either way, although I don't support the BNP, they are not an illegal organisation and I don't agree with people who want to 'pay them a visit' etc, no matter who they are. These people should be educated on the matter rather than just perecuted as being a racist, white thugs, which evidently some are, but most are not.
Gaborn said:
Absolutely. Because school children are famous for their tendency to be rational about bullying and the like, and would absolutely never be emotionally affected by this sort of behaviour. Instead they'd engage in a statistical analysis of teacher-student interaction and present the resulting proof to the school board.
travisbickle
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eznark said:
It's not a "belief" that's defined as "your acceptance or conviction to a truth". These people are choosing a political party that want to remove the non-white residents of Britain. And I don't think (a long with the British police force and many local authorities) that someone like that should teach children...or work in a job centre, or anywhere that has a large number of non-white people that rely on their expertise.
travisbickle said:
Well it's obviously not ideal but the problem is supporters of the BNP, as this shows, tend to not want their political beliefs (read as bigotry and ignorance) to be known publicly. Meaning the only measure is professional competency, because as soon as we start discriminating on grounds of beliefs (in this case, again, read as bigotry and ignorance) we're heading in a dodgy direction. But obviously noone now with a good head on their shoulders wants a racist as their child's teacher. Sometimes you have to defend the rights of complete dickheads to defend everyone else's.
iapetus said:
Well, first, I still think that the assumption that someone would automatically practice that discrimination because of their political beliefs is unfounded. I also think that teachers, as humans like anyone else are going to treat some students differently regardless, maybe subtly but differently nonetheless. If it's not based on racism or ideology than because they find a student annoying or bothersome or simply don't like their voice or because the kid is smug or self centered. That may not be detected either but it's just as, and perhaps more common than anything else.
travisbickle said:
I understand your view. My question, if teachers are not allowed to choose those ideas, what ideas are they allowed to have. Clearly there are right and wrong opinions in your mind, so which other opinions precludes someone from teaching (or apparently working at all)?
Gaborn said:
Their political beliefs that are at least in part founded on the idea that these people should be discriminated against? It's not like there's some tenuous link here - we're talking about core beliefs of the party. Are you seriously arguing with a straight face that someone who not only supports a party which believes that non-white students do not deserve equal treatment but has gone to the extent of paying money to formally join that party is going to go out of their way to give non-white students equal treatment?
Bear in mind that it's already well-documented that this sort of discrimination does take place in certain jobs - there was a very good undercover documentary exposing this sort of behaviour in the police force, for example.
Gaborn said:
1) There's a difference between this sort of thing happening on a personal, individual level and being practiced on an ideological level.
2) This is the old "other bad things happen so we shouldn't mind that this bad thing happens" argument. It has never held water.
dark steve
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iapetus said:
I'd say that if the ONLY thing you notice is they're a member of a political party? Yeah, then I'd say that it's no reason to discriminate against them if that's the ONLY knock against them.
Agreed. Now show me it's happening at an ideological level to the students before firing the teacher, that's a pretty simple request isn't it?
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you need to define what you mean. Some level of treating people differently is going to occur regardless, the question is are BNP member INHERENTLY by virtue of their membership in their work completely incapable of treating children fairly?
travisbickle
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eznark said:
The BNP are against the way Britian is run, in our country you are allowed to live and work here as long as you have legal rights, the BNP are against this and they want to run Britain through "makeup" removing anyone not overwhemingly white from Britain. As a member of the BNP you are giving money to persue this "cause".
And I don't think BNP members should be removed from all jobs, just government ones that are run with the same premise that everyone living in our country is welcome here, that's the reason BNP members aren't allowed in the police force and I'd like to see it extended to other social service/government organisations.
broadwayrock
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On Channel 4 a few minutes ago someone from the National Union of Teachers has just said that BNP membership is incompatible with teaching.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
Would I get banned for posting the list or link?
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
It isn't hard to find anyway, being a bnp members list. In the UK.
industrian
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Mr. Sam said:
I stared at her for a few seconds with the look on my face that would make a perfect "wait... what?" jpg. My sister isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and the fact she has never lived outside the Borders (which is arguably the most closed off and introverted part of the UK) in her entire adult life just makes her incredibly ignorant.
industrian
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grandjedi6 said:
I remember a few years ago a lot of the inheritantly racist political parties in Europe banded together to make a right wing bloc at the EU parliament... only for it to spectacularily collapse after the Italian group made a racist comment about their Romanian members. I couldn't laugh hard enough.
HallucinatingElvis
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eznark said:
no, because the BNP isnt popular with the general public so this leak is just fine and dandy
travisbickle
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HallucinatingElvis said:
They are a political party that wants to remove non-whites from Britain, what do you expect?
Do you not have any non-white friends? do you dislike the asian man that sits in your office enough to have him removed from Britain? Do you dislike those Polish kids you see going to school you want them sent back?
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