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AstroLad said:
Your gaps are anything not hardcore Ameritrash! :lol

It really depends on the level of complexity and number of players you're looking for, as well as how open you are to eurogaming.

Some of my favorites that are pretty scalable and that you don't own and would probably enjoy:
-San Juan (card-draw gap)
-Carcassonne (gateway gap)
-Stone Age (worker-placement gap)
-RoboRally (party gap)

Well stuff that can be played two players, length isn't really an issue, and I mostly just go for stuff I think sounds interesting. I like games with variable powers/abilities, the territory control/stealing stuff your opponent wants or needs in Dungeon Lords for example, and stuff that can be considered pseudo role-playing (like Arkham).

I'd say the best games I own are Arkham Horror, Dungeon Lords and Chaos In The Old World

Essentially games that, when described to someone, sound like you have a reason to play them. So why are the ones you suggested good? Why do I need them? (Thanks for the help btw)

As a side note: Ameritrash is a terrible word, insulting and passive aggressive. Implying someone or something is trashy is never nice under any circumstances. Don't use it.
 
oh i'll definitely keep using it now :lol.

"eurogames" is just as insulting. pretty messed up to call anyone or anything a "euro" without at least giving it a chance first. but they're just shorthand so i don't let it get to me
 
AstroLad said:
oh i'll definitely keep using it now :lol

You post on boardgamegeek don't you.

It's just a horrible word. It's horrible to say, it sounds awful, has a terrible cadence, and implies so much pseudo intellectual bullshit. It just conjures up images of some overweight basement dweller, chin greasy with drool and food, laughing and patting himself on the back (if he can) as he comes up with such a witty insult. That'll show 'em. All those people ruining my hobby. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't see how eurogames is insulting, that simply implies a game from europe, or europeon in style. Ameritrash distinctly and purposely implies something bottom of the rung that belongs in the bin. It just seems out of place in the hobby to be honest. Kind of like Xbot/Gaystation etc.
 
Cheech said:
Bought Castle Panic this week to play with the fam. It is a kick ass tower defense game. Pretty simple, but loads of fun.

This was my #1 most-wanted game until I read all of Neverfade's GtR raving here...I'll probably have to pick them both up soon ;)

Neeeed that Pandemic expansion, though...and I still need Intrigue...and Prosperity is about to drop aaaaagggh. Hopefully I'll have CP by the end of the year. It looks awesome.

edit: Ameritrash passive aggressive? Hmmmm...not sure I agree with that. I think there's a certain smug superiority there when it's used with a straight face, but it's usually utilized for good-natured ribbing (as it was here). Never heard of anyone being offended by it. Until now, I guess.
 
Captain_Spanky said:
It's just a horrible word. It's horrible to say, it sounds awful, has a terrible cadence, and implies so much pseudo intellectual bullshit. It just conjures up images of some overweight basement dweller, chin greasy with drool and food, laughing and patting himself on the back (if he can) as he comes up with such a witty insult. That'll show 'em. All those people ruining my hobby. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
deep breaths
 
AstroLad said:
deep breaths

That'd be more spaces like this right?

Aw the forum edited out my space. Now it just looks like a normal sentence. Lame.


echoshifting said:
edit: Ameritrash passive aggressive? Hmmmm...not sure I agree with that. I think there's a certain smug superiority there when it's used with a straight face, but it's usually utilized for good-natured ribbing (as it was here). Never heard of anyone being offended by it. Until now, I guess.

I'm not really offended, I just think it's stupid. Like....Oh I know. It's like when magazines call Robert Patterson R-Patz. It's just awkward and makes me cringe.
 
Fair enough. I'm not a big fan of the term but as AL pointed out eurogame really isn't much better. Just typical internet bullshit, everything has to have a derogatory shorthand term.

AstroLad said:
This is just a weird place to go on a crusade like that.

Pretty much this.
 
This is just a weird place to go on a crusade like that. That BGG place you mentioned earlier, you should take your righteous indignation there where you're sure to find lots of willing sparring partners. We're pretty laid back here.
 
AstroLad said:
This is just a weird place to go on a crusade like that. That BGG place you mentioned earlier, you should take your righteous indignation there where you're sure to find lots of willing sparring partners. We're pretty laid back here.

Naw, was just an aside really. I'd hardly call a couple of posts a crusade. It's just one of those words. Don't care enough to post at BGG, most of the people there are lame.

echoshifting said:
Make a geek list: why Ameritrash games aren't TRASH. You'll have fun with that one.

What's a geeklist?
 
Well just to be clear I wasn't using it derisively at all, just as shorthand. And in my limited experience that's the same way it's used on BGG except when they have one of their semiweekly crusades against the term. I'm no Neverfade but I do love my Ameritrash. Own every Arkham Horror expansion save for the most recent one and every LNOE expansion that was out as of six months ago. I don't generally like fantasy themes though, which certainly prevents me from being an Ameritrash scholar of any sort, but I don't avoid them either.

I'd recommend you some more games, but based on what you followed-up with regarding what you're looking for that's just not really my area of expertise. fwiw, my favorite 2P games are Battle Line, Twilight Struggle, and Race for the Galaxy (with Gathering Storm expansion).
 
AstroLad said:
Well just to be clear I wasn't using it derisively at all.

Oh I knew that, it was more of an aside hence it was at the bottom of my post. I don't find it particularly insulting, it just makes me shrivel like a raisin.

Race For The Galaxy and RoboRally look interesting though. What are they about?


echoshifting said:
Note the discussion thread if you scroll down (you'll find comrades therein).

If they're comrades should't it be Ruskitrash?
 
Captain_Spanky said:
Race For The Galaxy and RoboRally look interesting though. What are they about?

They're like...two of the best games ever. EVER. Seriously I could wax poetic about either of these all day if I had the inclination to do so.

RtfG rules take some getting used to; it sat on our shelf for about seven months because the rules are so horribly done. After that, though, it came out virtually every night for months.

Do NOT buy the expansions all at once and especially not with the base game. You'll want to add those gradually or the complexity will completely turn you off. They make it a better game, though, so you'll want them once your play group becomes acclimated.

RoboRally is a perennial classic and a staple in the collection of any "serious" BGer. Not worthwhile unless you regularly play with 4+ imo. The 2P sucks.
 
echoshifting said:
They're like...two of the best games ever. EVER. Seriously I could wax poetic about either of these all day if I had the inclination to do so.

RtfG rules take some getting used to; it sat on our shelf for about seven months because the rules are so horribly done. After that, though, it came out virtually every night for months.

Do NOT buy the expansions all at once and especially not with the base game. You'll want to add those gradually or the complexity will completely turn you off.

RoboRally is a perennial classic and a staple in the collection of any "serious" BGer. Not worthwhile unless you regularly play with 4+ imo. The 2P sucks.

Aw that sucks about the 2P with RoboRally, it's mostly me and my partner. The other couple we play games with we only see once a month or so :(
 
Race for the Galaxy is a phase-selection card-draw game where you build up a civ by playing and paying for cards from your hand. There's not a ton of interaction between players (i.e., you can't really screw others up) but the game has some great depth in figuring out the interactions between the many different types of cards and in timing your phase-selection. Also one of the few games that plays as great with 2 (arguably better) as it does with 3 or 4.

RoboRally I think you'd have a lot of fun with. You get a bunch of different maps and flag tokens and place them on the maps. You then draw cards which move your robots and lay them down 1-5 to determine how your robot will move. Problem is you don't know exactly what others are doing so you'll be running into each other and shooting each other constantly. There are also special option cards that give you useful abilities or let you do evil things. First to get all the flags wins. Big caveat here is that you need 4+ for it to work well (though it technically plays with as 2-8).

edit: yeah pretty much what echo said on both of these
 
Captain_Spanky said:
Aw that sucks about the 2P with RoboRally, it's mostly me and my partner. The other couple we play games with we only see once a month or so :(

Get RtfG! You won't regret it. One of the best of the "mid-level complexity" games for 2 players. Just be prepared for your first couple of games to feel a bit clunky. If you can find a youtube tutorial it's worth your valuable time.
 
Captain_Spanky said:
It's just a horrible word. It's horrible to say, it sounds awful, has a terrible cadence, and implies so much pseudo intellectual bullshit.
This is true.

Should be "Amerotrash."
 
I will look in to RFTG then! Thanks for the advice guys, sorry I didn't get the tone of my rant across very well, it was supposed to be tongue in cheek. My bad (as the kids say).

Oh and a few other games that caught my eye:

El Grande (a big influence on CITOW apparently)
Agricola
Puerto Rico
Small World (keep seeing this one pop up in discussions, but I'm not sure if I'd play it lots. Doesn't seem to have much long term appeal)
 
Let us know what you think of RtfG! I hope you guys enjoy it as much as we have. I know I already mentioned this but it can't be overstated: this is one of those games that takes some patience to learn; give it at least three plays (preferably more like a dozen!) before you pass judgment and you'll be rewarded.
 
The problem with BGG.com is the same problem that you see on AVSForum, and GAF's gaming side.

They are gathering spots for the #1 fans of their respective hobbies, and are essentially experts from having spent so much time talking to other #1 fans of the hobby.

Unfortunately, this results in newcomers being alienated. The absolute worst forum for this is AVSForum. You can buy a $1000 receiver, and go there only to have someone call it "cheap crap".

The biggest problem with BGG.com isn't even "Ameritrash". It's that people, new to boardgaming, will go to the site looking for recommendations. COLOSSAL mistake. Descent looks like a sweet game, but GOOD GOD at all the pieces and the 3-4 hour playtime. Then, you go to the Castle Ravenloft forum to see what people think of that game, and then you have people pissing on it because it's too "simplistic" and "it's Descent's bitch because it takes ONLY an hour to play".

The forum is a very neat place; like GAF, many game designers hang out there. However, you gotta take the recommendations with a huge grain of salt. Some poor woman was looking for games for a hyperactive 5 year old, and some toolbox actually recommended Carcassone.
 
I've just started taking an interest in boardgames and after buying Pandemic while I was searching for some Carcassonne expansions for a friend of mine I've opened a door that has since been swarmed by a ton of wishes spawned by reading BGG (I already looked at it sometimes but I never actually ended up buying something because I know I'm awful at restraining myself).
Today I've had my first "raid" of a boargames shop and I'm now many euros poorer and equipped with Agricola, Dominion and the expansion for Pandemic. I should remember to bring less money with me when I go in places like these.
I actually wanted to buy Puerto Rico instead of Agricola but they had sold the last one earlier today.

I will have an occasion to try the games next week even If there's a possibility that a friend of mine will bring Descent (I had more than a little role as far as buying it went) and that could eat a lot of time. At least it's without the expansions.
 
What would you folks say to soliciting trades in this thread? Yay? Nay? Or is there a boardgame-age trade thread floating around I'm just not aware of?

Cheech said:
It's that people, new to boardgaming, will go to the site looking for recommendations. COLOSSAL mistake.

Ha ha ha, man I love bgg.com to death (where else could you chat it up with Tom Lehman on RtfG strats) but it is impossible for any other combination of 16 words to be more true than this. :lol
 
echoshifting said:
What would you folks say to soliciting trades in this thread? Yay? Nay?
With how few people post here I don't see it as being too much of a nuisance. An easier way would be to have everyones collective BGG usernames so we could check out tradelists.

Either way, I personally am interested, so show me what ya got!
 
I think I'm about ready to trade my War of the Ring set, my Descent stuff (+2 expansions)...and a couple more things likelier to generate interest, but I need to check with the wife first. But I'm on vacation and I don't want to comment on condition without giving them a once-over (I have no reason to believe they are anything less than mint). I'll poke around and put up some pics when I get back. :D
 
Volodja said:
I've just started taking an interest in boardgames and after buying Pandemic while I was searching for some Carcassonne expansions for a friend of mine I've opened a door that has since been swarmed by a ton of wishes spawned by reading BGG (I already looked at it sometimes but I never actually ended up buying something because I know I'm awful at restraining myself).
Today I've had my first "raid" of a boargames shop and I'm now many euros poorer and equipped with Agricola, Dominion and the expansion for Pandemic. I should remember to bring less money with me when I go in places like these.
I actually wanted to buy Puerto Rico instead of Agricola but they had sold the last one earlier today.

I will have an occasion to try the games next week even If there's a possibility that a friend of mine will bring Descent (I had more than a little role as far as buying it went) and that could eat a lot of time. At least it's without the expansions.
You made the right choice. I love Puerto Rico but Agricola is just amazing. Puerto Rico almost feels too much like a puzzle at times where Gric doesn't.

I wouldn't be averse to trading in this thread. I'm not sure I have anything to trade just yet but I have to go over my collection to see if I have anything I'll be willing to part with.
 
So Boardgame-Age, I'm searching for a boardgame that must be pretty versatile, anywhere from 4-7 players (or less/more obviously), easily understandable for 12-year-olds, but not too boring for adults, and where the games don't last more than an hour..

What'd be my best bet? =)
 
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:
You made the right choice. I love Puerto Rico but Agricola is just amazing. Puerto Rico almost feels too much like a puzzle at times where Gric doesn't.
Good to know, I'll probably end up picking Puerto Rico as soon as I find it anyways.
I have to say that the Agricola box is so full of stuff, or is it only an impression left on someone without a great experience with boardgames like this?
It would explain why the price seemed a little bit steeper than what I am used to see.
 
Volodja said:
Good to know, I'll probably end up picking Puerto Rico as soon as I find it anyways.
I have to say that the Agricola box is so full of stuff, or is it only an impression left on someone without a great experience with complex or big boardgames?
It would explain why the price seemed a little bit steeper than what I am used to see.
It is a very fiddly games, full of fiddly parts and fiddly rules. And that's no just attributable to any inexperience you may have. Great game once you get into it though. :D

I'd recommend checking out this video. It won't totally teach you the game but it will give you a good overview and get you in the proper mindset to learn it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwPgWjzx-Cc
So Boardgame-Age, I'm searching for a boardgame that must pretty versatile, anywhere from 4-7 players (or less/more obviously), easily understandable for 12-year-olds, but not too boring for adults, and where the games don't last more than an hour..
That's a lot of people and a wide range of ages, so I'll say to check out Bohnanza and For Sale. Light non-knowledge-intensive party games with cute art styles.
 
AstroLad said:
It is a very fiddly games, full of fiddly parts and fiddly rules. And that's no just attributable to any inexperience you may have. Great game once you get into it though. :D

I'd recommend checking out this video. It won't totally teach you the game but it will give you a good overview and get you in the proper mindset to learn it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwPgWjzx-Cc
Thanks for the link. I usually do a quick rundown of various video reviews on BGG when I get interested in a game, I wasn't expecting to buy Agricola so I didn't check those out but I was going to in a little, coincidentally that's the same guy I watched a video of to get an idea of how Puerto Rico works.
Man, I hope my friends will have enough patience to learn the game.
At least we shouldn't have to resort to playing Zombies anymore. The simple thought of doing so makes me shudder.
 
It's actually not that hard to teach once you've learned it inside and out. Especially if they have any experience with worker placement.
 
Has anybody tried Zombie and/or Cthulhu dice? I've been trying to track down ZD in particular, looks insanely fun. Impressions would be cool if you've played 'em.

MagniHarvald said:
So Boardgame-Age, I'm searching for a boardgame that must be pretty versatile, anywhere from 4-7 players (or less/more obviously), easily understandable for 12-year-olds, but not too boring for adults, and where the games don't last more than an hour..

What'd be my best bet? =)

RoboRally I think would be a ton of fun for a group of rowdy 12 y/o's but every adolescent is different so ymmv. They need to be able to think abstractly about how their robot is going to move before a turn begins, but other than that it's just zipping around an obstacle course doing as much damage to all of the other robots as possible. It's crazy fun with 5+ people.

I probably wouldn't use more than two tiles per game with a younger crowd, or even a crowd of adults who lack the gamer gene. Otherwise three or four is better.
 
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:
You made the right choice. I love Puerto Rico but Agricola is just amazing. Puerto Rico almost feels too much like a puzzle at times where Gric doesn't.
For a different opinion, I feel the exact opposite of this. Puerto Rico is pure gold. Agricola is the puzzle!

:)
 
echoshifting said:
Has anybody tried Zombie and/or Cthulhu dice? I've been trying to track down ZD in particular, looks insanely fun. Impressions would be cool if you've played 'em.



RoboRally I think would be a ton of fun for a group of rowdy 12 y/o's but every adolescent is different so ymmv. They need to be able to think abstractly about how their robot is going to move before a turn begins, but other than that it's just zipping around an obstacle course doing as much damage to all of the other robots as possible. It's crazy fun with 5+ people.

I probably wouldn't use more than two tiles per game with a younger crowd, or even a crowd of adults who lack the gamer gene. Otherwise three or four is better.

Thanks for your suggestion, and you as well AstroLad. It's not for a whole crowd of 12 year-olds, it's something my brother and I (18-19) could play with our half brothers (12-13), and try to get the parents in as well.
 
MagniHarvald said:
So Boardgame-Age, I'm searching for a boardgame that must pretty versatile, anywhere from 4-7 players (or less/more obviously), easily understandable for 12-year-olds, but not too boring for adults, and where the games don't last more than an hour..

What'd be my best bet? =)
Like Astrolad there are a lot games that fit your criteria. Here are some of my favorites:
Card Games
Guillotine - 2 -5 Players - Card game where you play cards to shuffle the line of Nobles who are waiting to get executed. The theme is a little lighter than it sounds.
Totally Renamed Spy Game (Before I kill you Mr. Bond) 3 -6 Players (Playable with 2) - Each player plays an evil genius who is building a lair to attract higher numbered spys. Kill off the spy get the points. You can also play "taunt" cards that will give you more points when the spy is killed. It's an easy game to learn and really quick to play.
Bang - 4 - 7 - A take on the game Werewolf with a Spaghetti Western theme. Each player is dealt a role (Sheriff, Deputy, Outlaw, Renegade) and a character. The roles are hidden, except for the Sheriff, and they each have their own objective. The Sheriff needs to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade, the Deputy helps the Sheriff, the Outlaw needs to kill the Sheriff, and the Renegade needs to be the last man standing. The game is easy to learn and play and can get crazy with the right group.

Party Games

Wits and Wagers - 3 -21 Players (Honestly you can probably play this with a ton more people) It's a trivia game where you don't need to know the answers. Every answer is numerical players write down their answer and place them face down on the board. The answers are then organized in descending order on a betting mat with various odds listed on them. The players then bet on which answer they think is closest to the right answer with out going over. The game plays out in 7 rounds at the end whoever has the most chips is the winner. There is a family edition out where the questions are more geared towards children and the betting is a little easier for younger kids to grasp.

Apples to Apples - 4 - 10 - Everybody is dealt a hand of cards with nouns written on them. The "referee" then flips over a card with a description on it. The players through in the card that best matches the description and the ref chooses the best one. Really easy to play and great is a big group.

Board Games

Robo Rally - 2 - 8 - You play a super computer who is programming robots for a race. At the start of your turn you play 5 movement cards in the order you wish for the movement to be carried out. During the turn you flip over a card and perform that movement. Seems easy enough, except, everybody is doing the same thing. Only one robot can be in a spot at the same time so there is a lot of bumping and shooting going on. The game can be difficult for people with poor spatial reasoning but honestly, half the fun is seeing your best laid plans go to shit because of one step is wrong in your program or your opponent knocks you off your path.

Ticket to Ride 2 - 5 - Play cards to build trains in order to connect the cities on your tickets. This is a super simple game that is still a blast to play. The more players you have the more the competition for routes and that's when things becomes really interesting.

Nuns on the Run 2 - 8 players - In this game players play the part of Novices or Prioress and Abbess. The object is for the novices to sneak out of their rooms and grab their secret wish. The Abbess and Prioress need to find these novices and send them back to their rooms. The twist is the Novice players are moving around in secret using a notepad for their movements. The players playing the Prioress and Abbess can only see the players if they cross their line of sight or if they heard them. I only played this once so far but it's a good game.

There are more but I'm done typing for now. Hope this helps.
 
echoshifting said:
Doesn't Puerto Rico require 3 players? I've always wanted to pick that one up but a willing third/four person is far too uncommon.
There is an official 2 player variant available on BGG.

3 players is superior though.
 
echoshifting said:
Has anybody tried Zombie and/or Cthulhu dice? I've been trying to track down ZD in particular, looks insanely fun. Impressions would be cool if you've played 'em.
If you have an iPhone or iPod touch there is a Zombie dice app. The basic game is free but there is a multiplayer version for .99. I don't know if the physical game is better but I was left a little cold with the app. It was just a simple push your luck game with a shoehorned theme.
echoshifting said:
Doesn't Puerto Rico require 3 players? I've always wanted to pick that one up but a willing third/four person is far too uncommon.
Three or more would be ideal but the two player variant is not bad. My girlfriend and I play it a lot that way and find it works well and gives us our Puerto Rico fix when it's just us.

Volodja said:
At least we shouldn't have to resort to playing Zombies anymore. The simple thought of doing so makes me shudder.
If your friends like the zombie theme, get Last Night on Earth. Great use of the theme, fantastic components, and easy to play.
 
Cool, thanks guys...I will have to try out the variant sometime. I've always wanted to play that one.

MagniHarvald said:
Thanks for your suggestion, and you as well AstroLad. It's not for a whole crowd of 12 year-olds, it's something my brother and I (18-19) could play with our half brothers (12-13), and try to get the parents in as well.

Even better, to be honest. Imho anyway ;)

Woo page 100! Long live boardgame-age :D
 
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:
If your friends like the zombie theme, get Last Night on Earth. Great use of the theme, fantastic components, and easy to play.
It's already on my checklist for potential stuff to buy in the future.
 
It better be a damn good game! ;)

edit: Oh hey 18.75 on thoughthammer. That's not too bad. Hmmmm....tempting....if it was eligible for Prime on Amazon I'd totally buy it right this second.
 
Neverfade said:
Also, Glory to Rome.

Did anyone mention Glory to Rome?

Glory to Rome!
Damn, I hate the artwork.
But the game seems really good.
Maybe I'll look around if I can find it next time when I see if anyone already has D&D:Castle Ravenloft that seems fun and a little shorter (and easier to to travel with) than Descent.
 
Neverfade said:
Also, Glory to Rome.

Did anyone mention Glory to Rome?

Glory to Rome!

I just recently picked this up along with Chaos in the Old World (awesome), and Dice Town (fun filler).

I haven't had the chance to play it yet.

And I think it's odd that a game's rule book would imply that the game can be difficult to learn. Especially because it seems like the mechanics are pretty straightforward.
 
Pitchcar any good? Standard or mini? I like the physicality of it, suppose its not a traditional board game as such.

Biggest problem for me is just how niche this all is. I can't just walk into a local toy shop and check out games like these.
 
mrklaw said:
Pitchcar any good? Standard or mini? I like the physicality of it, suppose its not a traditional board game as such.

Biggest problem for me is just how niche this all is. I can't just walk into a local toy shop and check out games like these.
As a party game I really like it a lot. It's super simple but it's somehow amazingly fun and it's something anyone can get into. I have the base game and also three of the extensions. Only downsides are cost and sometimes the little plastic railings can be a bit annoying to fit into the track.
 
mrklaw said:
Pitchcar any good? Standard or mini? I like the physicality of it, suppose its not a traditional board game as such.

Biggest problem for me is just how niche this all is. I can't just walk into a local toy shop and check out games like these.

I have just the standard set, and my kids (4 and 6) love it. It has 8 cars, so busting it out at gatherings is always an option.

It it a lot harder than it looks, but getting a really cool shot off that goes halfway around the track is amazing.

If you're going to buy it, make sure to shop around. I got my copy at coolstuffinc.com, and the game is horrifically expensive if you just go to Amazon.
 
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