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uh, no?
Yeah I know right?
Actually I do understand why one would vote for Duterte when you look at his opposition during the campaign. But also some of his other promises. Just fucked how out of control this war on drugs is.
Yeah I agree with this. Many are motivated out of fear.
Also to be clear in here, I'm not supporting Duterte.
Atraveller
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How does statistics work?
StopMakingSense
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It's not a representative sample because its selected by people who voted, which is not a random distribution of the population.
They're not really. When the NYT posted this story online, there were hundreds of Filipinos defending him and his tactics. It's dividing opinion in the country.
We know how this ends, but it will be interesting to see how long the horror lasts.
How?
It's not even hard when you are conditionalized and your boss/peers, government tells you to.
the 86% is a trust rating survey, it's down from 91% though lol
Yeah I've seen that report.
NOLA_Gaffer
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The dystopian future is now the dystopian present.
Vulcano's assistant
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And the mega corporations pointed out at the second decade of the 21st century and said - you indirectly agreed that public government had become rotten when you let us hold more and more of the rains each time, so we rule now - thus the cyberpunk age began.
Messofanego
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"In Davao, I used to do it personally. Just to show to the guys [police] that if I can do it, why can't you?"
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/809065432250347520
Duterte personally has killed, encourages civilians to kill, and won't jail any police officer that is convicted of murder in this drug war.
Anyone getting shades of 60s Indonesia aka The Act Of Killing/The Look Of Silence?
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/809065432250347520
Duterte personally has killed, encourages civilians to kill, and won't jail any police officer that is convicted of murder in this drug war.
Anyone getting shades of 60s Indonesia aka The Act Of Killing/The Look Of Silence?
"In Davao, I used to do it personally. Just to show to the guys [police] that if I can do it, why can't you?"
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/809065432250347520
Duterte personally has killed, encourages civilians to kill, and won't jail any police officer that is convicted of murder in this drug war.
Anyone getting shades of 60s Indonesia aka The Act Of Killing/The Look Of Silence?
it hasn't caused an uproar here locally because people already know, sad really
InfiniteBento
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Exactly. Its insane how mass executions still exist.
This is like the Purge but worst. I can't believe what i read in the NYTimes article.
Is this real? This has me paralyzed, what is going on?
Duterte who is a killer just turned his police into cold blooded killers also. Even if he eradicated drug users and dealers(Fucking stupid), you have a police department who are killers who know they can kill with no repercussions. He is even allowing the general public is kill also.
Is this real? This has me paralyzed, what is going on?
Duterte who is a killer just turned his police into cold blooded killers also. Even if he eradicated drug users and dealers(Fucking stupid), you have a police department who are killers who know they can kill with no repercussions. He is even allowing the general public is kill also.
It doesn't matter.
Even if they are on drugs or selling drugs they deserve better than this. It's awful.
What can we do? His in China back pocket
It makes me wonder what is in the minds of the people who support this guy. I mean they must be OK with the use of violence and murder as a solution to problems. If these people relocate around the world then they'll be taking such beliefs with them and it'll manifest in different ways E.g. domestic violence, psychological abuse and they won't feel bad about it because it's for the greater good.
NervousXtian
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The NYT article is a better story than the one in the OP that ripped from the NYT article.
That's some fucked up shit... users need help, not death.
That's some fucked up shit... users need help, not death.
what boggles me more here is most Catholics/Christians support this guy, but the Catholic Church doesn't
dark_chris
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Essentially they are able to kill these people because they just know they are drug users- they had turned themselves in before and now that the police know who used drugs, they come at them with full force
AmaterasuOkami076
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The only way I can rationalise the 86% figure is that they genuinely fear for their lives if they say otherwise. If that isn't under duress then that just blows my mind. I guess I'm ignorant because I've only ever experienced the day to day life in my own country. But if that figure accurately represents the population's stance on this then I feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the victims and friends and families of the victims, and for the general population too. I can't imagine living my life in a country so overwhelmingly devoid of empathy.
I was mainly referring to Gaf, but yes you are right.
Ziltoidia 9
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People thinking once 2016 is over, this will be ok. Nope. We are in a very dark time.
They're thinking basically comes down to "It's okay to kill bad people."
My family do not want me to speak out or criticize Duterte in fear that someone would harm me. The Duterte supporters can be very aggressive, something you'll also experience on social media.
People in Philippines have had a zero tolerance(let them die) mentality towards criminals for awhile, long before duterte. Why because theyre afraid. Even the low income houses in phillipines are in gated communities. Alot of houses have barbed wire around them. Those pointy things on top of iron fences, homeowners get them sharpened so the spikes arent just for decoration.
I saw this alot in and around Manila.
I saw this alot in and around Manila.
Yes thats broken glass for security.
I'm still undecided on that. If the US would suddenly break ties that would affect MANY Filipino Americans and in turn affect Filipinos back home. And since a lot of those Filipinos who have relatives abroad tend to be more financially stable you bet they would be pissed.
Right now the people being murdered are the poor who don't have ties outside their barangay (neighborhood). You start fucking with OFW (Overseas Filipino Workers) bringing money back into the country it will definitely have an effect.
There were a few posts that questioned my assertion about the crime rate in the Philippines, so I'll address them here:
- In reference to the crime rates from 2012 to 2014, which can be found here (https://www.psa.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2015 PIF Final_ as of 022916.pdf) on page 24 of the document, the crime rate per 100000 is essentially flat from 2013-2014. We also see a strange jump from 2012 to 2013 which can be attributed to an increase in reporting as well as better statistics and recording as well.
* As an aside, the 2016 document does not produce new numbers for 2015, which is fairly surprising.
- In reference to the jump from 2014 to 2015, which is widely reported as a 50% increase from Jan to June -- that increase is an increase in the numbers of crimes itself and not per capita numbers. The PNP numbers should also be taken with a grain of salt as they're reported numbers, which I'll address in a moment.
From this, there a number of narratives that can be established:
- There really was a surge in criminal elements in 2015
- Better statistics and record keeping contributed to this increase
- People are actually more willing to report crimes now, which actually indicates an increase in trust with the police
- A combination of all three, plus other narratives
- In reference to the crime rates from 2012 to 2014, which can be found here (https://www.psa.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2015 PIF Final_ as of 022916.pdf) on page 24 of the document, the crime rate per 100000 is essentially flat from 2013-2014. We also see a strange jump from 2012 to 2013 which can be attributed to an increase in reporting as well as better statistics and recording as well.
* As an aside, the 2016 document does not produce new numbers for 2015, which is fairly surprising.
- In reference to the jump from 2014 to 2015, which is widely reported as a 50% increase from Jan to June -- that increase is an increase in the numbers of crimes itself and not per capita numbers. The PNP numbers should also be taken with a grain of salt as they're reported numbers, which I'll address in a moment.
From this, there a number of narratives that can be established:
- There really was a surge in criminal elements in 2015
- Better statistics and record keeping contributed to this increase
- People are actually more willing to report crimes now, which actually indicates an increase in trust with the police
- A combination of all three, plus other narratives
true, you will get roasted in social media if you dare criticize him, even a leading newspaper here was branded a 'yellowtard'
You will also get:
"Are you even Filipino!?" "You're only half, not a true Filipino."
"You are not living here, you don't know anything."
I've brought this up before but I can't state it enough:
The drugs are coming from China
Duterte is kissing China's ass.
Why does nobody give a shit about this?
You want stop drug abuse? Punish where they're coming from, not your users.
The drugs are coming from China
Duterte is kissing China's ass.
Why does nobody give a shit about this?
You want stop drug abuse? Punish where they're coming from, not your users.
They seem plenty happy to kill even the ones that surrender.
ss_lemonade
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The "yellow", "yellowtard", "yellow bleeding hearts" and all other such childish branding is becoming tiring. I have a friend on facebook who literally fills his wall everyday with blogger quotes and posts that go against said "yellow" people, say Duterte is the best president, Loida/DeLima/Trillanes/Robredo is the enemy and posts about economy improvements while sarcastically using the hash tags such as "#KasalananNgWarOnDrugs ("it's due to the war on drugs", mocking those who say this action would lead to nothing) every time he gets the chance. The few times someone would question him, he fires back with all sorts of stuff like blaming the past administration and how things were much worse back then.
He's a pretty intelligent person too and not just some random supporter who doesn't know anything but it feels like he's reached the point of no return, especially seeing as how he cannot find a single fault with Duterte. The majority seems to feel the same way too sadly, judging from how they all collectively respond to things they do not agree with (awarding De Lima, mocking Mocha, reacting to how Duterte talks, etc etc)
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