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Bonk vs Sonic: Whose trilogy deserves to be Mario's second fiddle?

Sonic is about as playable as Bonk, probably even less so. it is a game about running fast and yet the level designs are confusing mazes. it also has that awful delay between pushing forward and having Sonic actually go forward at top speed. and have you ever tried jumping from a curved hill? it is a nightmare. Bonk doesn't have these very critical platforming problems. Bonk doesn't have you running at top speed w only fractions of a second of seeing an enemy appear onscreen before you need to dodge.

i'm not saying Sonic is a bad game, it's just, i have been frustrated with it many, many more times than i ever got frustrated w a Bonk game. so "not as playable as Sonic", i really don't agree w that.

I hate to turn this into a Sonic thread, but Sonic isn't really about running fast even if Sega heavily featured the speed at which you could move as faster than other platformers of the time...it was marketing and a point of differentiation. Sonic is really about controlling your speed to maximize your jumps as well as avoid and destroy enemies. If you're running into stuff often, it's probably because you're not controlling it more carefully, though there is a fair amount of memorization of what's ahead (or around, as it pertains to Sonic), as with any game.

Compared to the straightforward and more traditional Mario-like obstacle courses in Bonk, I can see how someone could find it confusing and haphazard rather than complex and non-linear. The paths in levels crisscross each other and navigating that spaghetti design is a defining part of later games as most platformers were all about left-to-right, right-to-left paths when there weren't on a rail otherwise. It's not for everyone, as it can seem like a bunch of random level design barfed up.

As for the delay in order to reach full speed, well, that's also a point of differentiation that can annoy, but I think Bonk had a similar element to its control over the character when timing the amount of forward movement for jumps and bounces to understand the level of inertia for that you have to grow accustomed to in order to play proficiently. Getting up a steep angle required doing something right before you could, so hitting the appropriate level prop some ways away and/or finding the right path and running & jumping & bouncing it well gave you the speed and/or height necessary to overcoming it was necessary. This sometimes necessitated traversing two or three screens in one of the cardinal directions if not also requiring some combination of angled movement to accomplish. You hit these sorts of walls far less in Bonk because the game isn't concerned with anything that isn't on-screen at once for progression, so you just have to move over to an appropriate level prop nearby to get past the tall ledge or mash (or rapid fire) the button to climb with your teeth...while, at its most complex, you would sometimes need to successfully bounce a string of enemies on the path to reach secrets or a higher path that led to them.

Bonk had spinning to lengthen lateral air movement along with flowers and enemy bouncing along much more simply laid-out paths to reach the level's end. Sonic had springs, boosters, and bumpers as well as enemy bouncing. And then there are the railed tunnels and pipes crisscrossing the level layout. Because of the highly vertical and horizontal level traversal in Sonic, you had to develop a greater understanding of the zone's parts, their positions, and work out finding best way to connect the dots to find the paths that would define how far you could get across many areas while turning you around in later areas to penalize the player for simply running right on what is essentially the path of least resistance. It takes a desire to revisit, explore, and get everything within the time limit to really enjoy the limits of Sonic and the tight ten-minute timer really requires replays because there's no way to understand later levels within the time allotted given how big and maze-y they can be. Bonk has very little reason to come back and learn more about what's possible on a level, like so many simpler games. That's fine, as that's what many people like, even preferring that over games that feel too open-ended in their level structure, like the classic 16-bit Sonics.

It's fine that you don't agree, man, but I just can't get down with Bonk being in the same room as Sonic for control and playability, especially as the series heads into Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Bonk was a nice way to make a focused, pre-Sonic action-platformer without too much trademark Mario stuff defining its central design as it did for so many platformers. Mario and Sonic may be seen as opposite but equal sides of a coin, but Sega's game has more in common with Turrican and other jump & run games than Mario when it comes to level layouts that define the progression.

Sorry for the unorganized and random stream of consciousness post, but Bonk is just not comparable for playability if you can play a Sonic decently well to complete it. Bonk is like an arcade game, like Contra and Sonic is like Turrican...or something like that.

And, I'm spent on this junk. Sonic rules, Bonk drools, and that's all there is to it.
 
Yeah, I owned Sonic 1 & 2 on Master System before getting a Mega Drive. They were pretty good, but I wouldn't go as far as calling them better then Sonic 2 & 3 16bit.

Yeah I'm just talking about the first game. I haven't played the other MS games but I'm sure they don't touch Sonic 2 and 3 on MD.
 
I'm 27, never even knew about the turbografx until i had internet, never touched a turbografx and, man... knowing Bonk is more about knowing about videogames than anything else.

There's no excuse, people. Any "top 10 gaming mascots" or "top 10 franchises from the 90s" has bonk somewhere. If you know about vidya, you end up knowing about fucking Bonk.

I did Google "top gaming mascots." I clicked on at least a dozen links but only found one mention of Bonk, and that was in a "mascots you didn't know about" article from Cinema Blend.
 
Nope, never. It's the only Alex Kidd game I've ever played, but the basic controls (possibly the worst jump response in platformer history), very questionable collision detection, and levels clearly designed by someone with a hate for everyone else in the world, make it something I'm in no rush to play ever again, despite the nostalgia for it being my only Master System game for a long ass time.

Also, Janken boss battles? You know how shitty it is to lose your last goddamn life to a JANKEN BATTLE?!?! Who's idea was that shit?

I also hate Alex Kidd himself, and he's a cheating bastard at tennis.
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What a twat.

I'll give you the boss battles being a nuisance (especially the final boss) and Alex looking like a smug little shit, but the only level design I truly hate is the final castle and the final riddle/puzzle. Besides that I still think it's a generally fine platformer. Alex Kidd in Shinobi World, now THAT had infuriating controls and a difficulty made by someone who seemed to hate the game.
 
I did Google "top gaming mascots." I clicked on at least a dozen links but only found one mention of Bonk, and that was in a "mascots you didn't know about" article from Cinema Blend.

Perhaps top gaming mascots of the 16-bit era then? Seriously. Any mascot list from that period that omits Bonk, was created by someone that doesn't know shit about the era.
 
I think those who continue to bring up other characters like Donkey Kong, Rocket Knight, Bubsy, and Awesome Possum are missing the point--Bonk, Sonic, and Mario are/were official mascots for their respective systems.All other mascot-like games are irrelevant outside of simply trying to find a more obscure character. The very fact that so many users here think of Bonk as obscure blows my mind. I guess you had to be there?
It's probably a generational thing. I'm 21 and everyone I know doesn't know who he is at all. Hes basically non existent in public consciousness. De blob is probably more well known.
 
I love the Sonic games

But the Bonk games are amazing. This thread is a disgrace ffs. People acting like this is as ridiculous as comparing Mario to Bubsy or something is completely stupid. Bonk is top notch stuff.

Meme values are the only way people can process things anymore.
 
I have this controller:

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No turbo functionality.
Ok, I haven't seen that version of the controller. I assumed they all had rapid-fire.

Nope, never. It's the only Alex Kidd game I've ever played, but the basic controls (possibly the worst jump response in platformer history), very questionable collision detection, and levels clearly designed by someone with a hate for everyone else in the world, make it something I'm in no rush to play ever again, despite the nostalgia for it being my only Master System game for a long ass time.

Also, Janken boss battles? You know how shitty it is to lose your last goddamn life to a JANKEN BATTLE?!?! Who's idea was that shit?

I also hate Alex Kidd himself, and he's a cheating bastard at tennis.
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What a twat.
Alex Kidd was a terrible attempt at a "mascot". There's a good reason he was almost completely forgotten the moment Sonic debuted on the scene.

i'm 26 and this thread is literally the first time i've ever heard of bonk

i've certainly never seen him mentioned on this forum before
You would have been in diapers when the TG-16 was at its peak. Once the SNES gained momentum, everything related to the TG-16 was swept away and left to the history books. (Which was a shame, because it was a fun system. I still want one...)
 
I'll give you the boss battles being a nuisance (especially the final boss) and Alex looking like a smug little shit, but the only level design I truly hate is the final castle and the final riddle/puzzle. Besides that I still think it's a generally fine platformer. Alex Kidd in Shinobi World, now THAT had infuriating controls and a difficulty made by someone who seemed to hate the game.

Yea, as I said above, I may have been overly harsh. I was very much thinking about the final castle admittedly also, lol. Fuck that shit.
 
Yea, as I said above, I may have been overly harsh. I was very much thinking about the final castle admittedly also, lol. Fuck that shit.

That castle was a nightmare. No idea how I managed to finish the game as a kid with no savestates to save my ass.
 
I never did, which may be why I'm a little bitter. Once it released on XBLA, I savestated my way past it, with no regrets, lol.

Savestates saved my ass when replaying the PSN version, haha. I did play a few other Alex Kidd games, but Miracle World was seriously the best of the bunch.
 
I liked Bonks revenge on the gameboy, but Sonic on genesis is much more fun. I still play those sonic games to this day. And it's had so many hacks that theres new ways to play the original games.
 
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