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Pretty good video about this trope in Science Fiction movies
https://youtu.be/0thpEyEwi80
https://youtu.be/0thpEyEwi80
Opposite of and similar to 4000 year old witch trope.Pretty good video about this trope in Science Fiction movies
https://youtu.be/0thpEyEwi80
Yeah, one of the more offputting things about Fifth Element. She basically acts like a toddler for the majority of the film.
read about the director and his marriage for super creepy.
read about the director and his marriage for super creepy.
You could say the same thing about Thor in the first movie.
You could say the same thing about Thor in the first movie.
And yes, really creepy when you think about it that way. Any media turning the trope on its head?
What about Ex Machina? Does Ava character fit the trope?
What about Ex Machina? Does Ava character fit the trope?
I'd say it's more of a subversion of it. She (and the film) plays into it only to mercilessly cut off the male character by the end.
You could say the same thing about Thor in the first movie.
Good question!
Spoiler for Ex Machina:
No, as Ava only pretends to be naive in order to manipulate the men in the film. I would say this is a clear example of the trope being subverted
If she wasn't a young sexy Turing test specimen would Caleb have helped her to the extent he did? I agree the ending subverts the trope but during the course of the movie she displays a naivety about the outside world but is quite wise to what's happening in the compound.
Yeah, one of the more offputting things about Fifth Element. She basically acts like a toddler for the majority of the film.
so basicallyThank you. It's really disturbing once you think about it like that.
Brief summary for those unable to watch:
The video is about a science fiction trope (which the author calls "born sexy yesterday") in which there is basically a child in a sexualised woman's body, being very intelligent and in some ways highly skilled, but not really having any deeper knowledge of human interaction. Then there is also the male part of the trope, the man being sort of a teacher for the woman, showing how people are supposed to behave. The man usually ends up falling for the naive woman, and since the man is basically the only man in the woman's life and the one from whom the woman ask anything, the woman often ends up falling for him. This is brought up as a sign of male insecurity about strong experienced women, as the man is sort of the master and gets to show the pleasures of sex to the woman who doesn't yet have any such experience. The opposite situation, the man being naive and inexperienced also doesn't happen that often at least so that the woman ends up falling for him, and when it does, the woman doesn't fall in love because of the man's childlike mind, but in spite of it.
I cringed at his final admonition, "Innocence is not sexy; experience is sexy."
read about the director and his second marriage for super creepy.
This Trope is so prevalent in Anime/Manga that he could have devoted the entire video to it.
I mean, yeah? Ok, I see your point, but then my dad is 11 years older than my mum and she was 16 when they met. I get what you're saying, but if anyone called my dad creepy I'd punch their teeth in.
Imo, neither is or isn't.
The rest of the video is well-argued and that just feels like an opinion tagged on at the end.
I mean, yeah? Ok, I see your point, but then my dad is 11 years older than my mum and she was 16 when they met. I get what you're saying, but if anyone called my dad creepy I'd punch their teeth in.
It's not really "tagged," it's more like summing up why the prevalence of this gross shit has persisted throughout genre fiction. It keeps getting in because people keep feeding the notion that "innocence is sexy," and the innocence is sexy because it speaks to the opportunity for a guy to mark that innocence. Leave a mark on it. Defile it, in some darker, more direct applications of it.
Stating the opposite is a way to sum-up the entire point of the video, which is to defuse that notion to some extent.
If the video is well argued and then that line makes you "cringe," it seems to say that the central idea of the video rubs you wrong, and probably didn't work the way the creator intended. You watched it all the way through and the plain statement of the idea made you "cringe."
Nah. I don't find fault with any of the video, just the end. I don't see it as an accurate summation of the preceding content.
Anyone remember the 80's movie Starman? Would that count as a male example if this trope?
Dunno how you couldn't.
Weird, creepy men have been feeding the notion in genre fiction that the ideal woman is a hot, childlike rube who doesn't know anything about sex before you fuck the notion into her. It exists to pervert the notion of "innocence" in a couple ways. So that's why that closing line is there.
The closing line you "cringed" at.