I guess Bush was right then. There were WMDs in Iraq.
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Boston Marathon Bombings: Discussion Thread 2 | Bomber charged
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I guess Bush was right then. There were WMDs in Iraq.
H_Prestige
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He's a sociopath, just like his brother. Normal, "nice" people don't kill people and children. If others knew him as such, it was just a facade.
This was a planned killing. He would have had ample time to reconsider if he had a conscious. He didn't. I doubt he feels any remorse.
This was a planned killing. He would have had ample time to reconsider if he had a conscious. He didn't. I doubt he feels any remorse.
Some Republicans in congress seem to think of terrorists as Super Villains that the Federal Court System can't handle. Never mind the number of terrorists successfully convicted in federal court. It doesn't help that Obama caved and withdrew Khalid Sheikh Mohammed from civilian court
:lol
If that TV had Final Fantasy XI on it, I'd ask to be put in there.
I wouldn't be so quick to declare them sociopaths and evil.
Normal people will do awful murderous things in the right(wrong?) conditions.
People are terrible, and it's not just the psychos.
I listened to the whole thing, but I am still fucking confused about what the hell he's *talking* about. It seems like a wild-goose chase to me.
Also, if there was something to this, I would bet Lindsey Graham and John McCain would be all over it.
A lot of normal people are quite capable of feeling no empathy towards the blight of other people, usually in distant countries. In fact, the ability to shut down the mechanism is essential in order to not be an emotional wreck. The leap from a normal, well-rounded person to a mass-murderer isn't that huge. I think people fit on a spectrum and categorizing people as murderers or non-murderers doesn't paint a correct picture. A lot of people who never commit a serious crime have the potential given the right circumstances and environment. That is to say, I agree.
He's trying to connect the dots to create a picture that I, personally, believe it fails by a wide margin to create. Nothing would shock me when it comes to this sort of thing, but this is a dead end unless there is information out there that no one knows yet.
The latest On the media podcast has a good analysis of how the media handled the bombing:
http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/apr/19/
http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/apr/19/
Goddamnit gaf and your pruned quote quoting.
Was gonna say that atheists have done their good share of killings too.
You're discrediting other possible outside factors, and the only means of guessing when planning for this attack had started is when the older brother came back from his 6 month Russian "vacation." A lot of his online behavior shows him doing what normal teenagers do, and while family reports are obviously biased when you have a slew of people who are confirming that the kid was normal for the decade he's grown up in the United States, I wouldn't be so quick to jump at claiming he's a sociopath, at least not until all the details are out there.
Yes, he is an absolutely terrible human being for the damage he has done, and what he has done puts him far outside the realm of being normal in the aftermath, but I personally doubt that his behavior since childhood has been a facade. If they come out with details that go against that, then yeah, I wouldn't feel as reluctant to slap that label onto him.
The older brother on the other hand...
or patriotism/nationalism
BruiserBear
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speculawyer
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Yeah, I think that quote is worthy of being brought up again. If you really believe you are following god's word then you can do completely crazy bad things because you believe it is good. A little bit of doubt is healthy for all believers. Even atheists.
No, they described it in the charge papers though. He dropped the bag, then acted like he was on his cell phone for 18 seconds, then the first bomb went off causing everyone to look east while he appeared calm, then he calmly but rapidly walked away before the bag exploded.
it still amazes me they didn't think they'd get caught
TheNatural
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Reflecting back, does anyone just think about how lives for you and I have been the last week plus and then compare to what this kid has done and how many lives he ruined, including his own?
I mean in the last week, I've been out a couple times, worked some, went to bed each night. Totally normal mundane stuff.
This kid last Sunday was in a similar position, not exactly the same since he was building bombs, but he had a chance to abandon it all and still go on to live a normal life. Boston Marathon would have been a nice footnote in the week, mostly ignored by the general public except for runners and people in Boston.
Instead from Sunday the guy went from a college kid, to killing people and seriously injuring many more, to going BACK for a night to his dorms and being a "regular college kid" for one last night after his crimes almost completely oblivious of it. Then with his brother kills a cop, throws explosives out of a hijacked car, runs over his shot brother and kills him, and nearly bleeds to death in a boat in a backyard. And today, is charged in a federal death penalty case which is a lock that he's basically going to die for what he's done.
All this in a week. The kid could have been like you or I with plans, he could have studied for his next test and the last week would have been just mundane. All that just blows my mind for some reason.
I mean in the last week, I've been out a couple times, worked some, went to bed each night. Totally normal mundane stuff.
This kid last Sunday was in a similar position, not exactly the same since he was building bombs, but he had a chance to abandon it all and still go on to live a normal life. Boston Marathon would have been a nice footnote in the week, mostly ignored by the general public except for runners and people in Boston.
Instead from Sunday the guy went from a college kid, to killing people and seriously injuring many more, to going BACK for a night to his dorms and being a "regular college kid" for one last night after his crimes almost completely oblivious of it. Then with his brother kills a cop, throws explosives out of a hijacked car, runs over his shot brother and kills him, and nearly bleeds to death in a boat in a backyard. And today, is charged in a federal death penalty case which is a lock that he's basically going to die for what he's done.
All this in a week. The kid could have been like you or I with plans, he could have studied for his next test and the last week would have been just mundane. All that just blows my mind for some reason.
I agree. People will kill for any number of reasons. Cateogorizing these guys as sociopaths is just a lazy attempt at rationalization.
MMBosstones86
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summary : terribad?
BloodMoney
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NPR is reporting: Update at 12:20 p.m. ET. Tamerlan Tsarnaev's "Closest American Friend" And Two Other Young Men Were Murdered Three Years Ago; Case Remains Unsolved
Tamerlan is apparently now a suspect.
Tamerlan is apparently now a suspect.
ADX Flo prison cell.
Kid is gonna wish he aimed that gun inside his mouth a bit higher (if that was really the case)
Could be worse
Right? He's says, "I bet you can draw your own conclusions as well...as how he was involved. But we do know he was involved. You can ask yourself this question. How many times does lightening have to strike in the first place, for this guy to be at the scene of the crime and in the hospital, and not involved."
Um, I think others that were not involved, were at the scene, and in the hospital - they are called victims.
I doubt that there are very many atheists that know that there is no god. There's certainly quite a few people that know that there is a god, though.
But I agree with your sentiment.
TimeEffect
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Will they release the video of him dropping the bag?
RustyNails
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wtf. Why would he kill his besties?
iamvin22
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It's actually pretty amazing they did get caught. Dzhokar seems to have slipped up and gotten caught placing the bomb on camera, unlike Tamerlan. I imagine this is because the second bombsite was pretty sparsely populated compared to the first. I mean, they still would've been caught eventually through forensic evidence but that would've taken some time which was probably their plan (giving them time to commit more attacks). I don't think escaping was ever in their plans, since they had ample time to leave the area/country.
He was still standing next to the bag after he dropped it? He gave himself a 10 second window to get away?
speculawyer
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Can someone summarize the Glenn Beck crap? I refuse to click on anything from the Blaze.
Yep, that's basically the short version
They will release it as evidence in the court. Why would anyone else need to see it?
ADX Flo prison cell.
Kid is gonna wish he aimed that gun inside his mouth a bit higher (if that was really the case)
Holy shit. I'd punch my head against that stool til every last brain cell has exited my skull.
Beer Monkey
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Q. Who kills somebody and leaves them covered with perfectly good weed?
A. Somebody who got religiously anti-weed.
His bomb was apparently triggered via cell phone, which made it so that he could drop the bag without any risk to himself until he finished the call, which was apparently timed in accordance with the first bomb.
i dont know, maybe 10 years ago, but in 2013, at the finish line area of the largest marathon in the US (one of the largest in the world?)... thousands of people taking pictures, videos, etc. Sure they picked the best place to drop it for impact but the worst place to be inconspicuous.
Link
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Haha, gotta love the classics.Could be worse
Also, I may sound crazy here, but a toilet/sink/water fountain combo sounds pretty fucking awesome.
I don't think so. But I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see the evidence. I'd like to see footage from the shootout, that they will use as evidence against him. The bag dropping, everything. I don't feel comfortable that we have the right person, until all of this is known. Wouldn't be the first time, so I feel like things should be abundantly crystal clear right now. A guy spent what, a decade? In prison falsely accused over the olympics deal.
Are things abundantly crystal clear for everyone? And what if anything, did I miss in terms of evidence showing crimes.
TimeEffect
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Yeah, can't he do this?
I mean, will he be restrained or what? Why not just kill oneself in prison?
Stumpokapow
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The below is a summary of whatever Glenn Beck is saying, and not an endorsement of any of it:
A saudi was injured in the blast.
A file was created to deport the saudi under a serious security classification
Media reported a Saudi person of interest in the bombings
John Kerry met with the Saudi Foreign Minister
Obama met with the Saudi Foreign Minister
Media backed off from Saudi person of interest in the bombings
The file was amended to rescind the deportation order and security classification
Janet Napolitano said they weren't deporting any Saudis
Glenn Beck believes she's lying, the Saudis got this guy off the hook, and there's a conspiracy to cover the whole thing up.
There's a Saudi who was on a terror watch list and got a student visa to come to the US anyway
Glenn Beck believes that's the guy in question, and he was involved in the bombing
Sources suggest it's not, that's a different guy, possible name confusion or something?
Glenn Beck has a source saying that the guy isn't at the school his student visa is for, and instead lives in Boston
Eh, Tamerlane was IDed as the bomber by Jeff Bauman (the legless guy) as soon as he woke up. The FBI showed him photos and had him pick out the guy he saw.
GoldenEye 007
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I'd say using two devices capable of severely injuring hundreds a mass destruction event. Didn't know Mass Destruction was that broad either, but it does fit now that I think about it.
MMBosstones86
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/22/4252436/sympathy-for-the-devil-boston-bombers-are-just-latest-villains-to
Idiots exist. This baffles me. You think these are the wrong guys? Ok, sure. What about the car jacking / shootouts / grenades / bombs / suicide vests / hide'n'seek that occurred after Monday? Even if you lack the brain cells to comprehend that these guys did it...they are clearly bad dudes and exhibited clearly "not innocent" behavior since things went down.
Where as, the kid The Post wrongly accused...went to the police to sort it out.
tl:dr - all these people need to be repeatedly kicked in the crotch
Idiots exist. This baffles me. You think these are the wrong guys? Ok, sure. What about the car jacking / shootouts / grenades / bombs / suicide vests / hide'n'seek that occurred after Monday? Even if you lack the brain cells to comprehend that these guys did it...they are clearly bad dudes and exhibited clearly "not innocent" behavior since things went down.
Where as, the kid The Post wrongly accused...went to the police to sort it out.
tl:dr - all these people need to be repeatedly kicked in the crotch
If bold is some how in a record - In order of the disaster/timing - , I'd definitely buy some version of the rest of it.
I mean seriously...
The black flag, conspiracy theory crazies are really out in force with this one.
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