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Boston Marathon Bombings: Discussion Thread 2 | Bomber charged

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conspiracy nutjobs... too much wrong in that link to waste time breaking it down. It does demonstrate how the media's terrible reporting feeds into conspiracy theories though (eg with naked guy)
 
What do you make of it is probably the wrong question to ask. More like can any of this stuff be proven? Even in the first image most of the guesses are incorrect. A lot of it is also in no way evidence that the bombing was a hoax.
 
... Those pics are truly pathetic.

Perhaps those people with the earpiece were police?

And surely the only purpose of a skull is some obscure army thing

And there is no way that a white backpack, which exploded, could have turned black?


Sure... Keep on dreaming
 
Typical conspiracy theory nonsense.

At first I thought it was a joke album, since one of those pictures was originally created to make fun of conspiracy theorists. But yeah, it's just nonsense, made even more hilarious by the fact that they included a joke picture designed to make fun of them as "proof."
 
Something has been bothering me since this all started. Where is the information about the second bomb that went off at the marathon? All of this "evidence" from both conspiracy theorists and the fbi only show the finish line.

Why isnt there images of the second bomb being placed?
 
Something has been bothering me since this all started. Where is the information about the second bomb that went off at the marathon? All of this "evidence" from both conspiracy theorists and the fbi only show the finish line.

Why isnt there images of the second bomb being placed?

Do you mean the reverse?
 
Something has been bothering me since this all started. Where is the information about the second bomb that went off at the marathon? All of this "evidence" from both conspiracy theorists and the fbi only show the finish line.

Why isnt there images of the second bomb being placed?

The conspiracy theorists have no idea what they're talking about. As for the FBI, all the information they have discussed publicly is on the second bomb (allgedly placed by Dzhokhar).

Q: Are both suspects seen planting these devices at the finish line of the Boston Marathon?

A: No, the only one who was observed planting what we believe to be the device is suspect number 2 with the white cap
 
conspiracy nutjobs... too much wrong in that link to waste time breaking it down. It does demonstrate how the media's terrible reporting feeds into conspiracy theories though (eg with naked guy)

With the higher rate at which information travels these days, it seems that in the absence of concrete news these theories start to appear.

20 years ago you didn't have 200,000 people following a manhunt on a police scanner online. People probably were more patient to just wait and see what news came out on tv and in the papers. Now there's such a huge demand for breaking news on big stories like this that, when there isn't much going on like in the past couple days, people start to fill in the gaps with their own theories and such.

Hell that's what happened with all the stupid theories about the missing Brown student.

But for the record I still have no idea what the deal was with that naked guy. I saw him mentioned repeatedly on Friday and Saturday, but I haven't bothered to see who he was since every site/source will give me a completely different answer.
 
It would be great if you edited your post and just deleted that link. Such shit.

I'm not sure those pics are real. The doctors said his body was injured so badly they don't know the cause of death. All I see there is a bullet wound, some facial wounds and an open medical wound.
 
Not a single thing about that is accurate. He happened to guess something would happen on Friday, but it wasn't a raid and it was initiated by the suspects when they stole a car Thursday night.

Exactly. I saw that post Monday or Tuesday, and then when the events of Thursday/Friday came I thought "okay, I guess we'll never see this conspiracy theory again, because then he'll have to admit he's an idiot". Cause, you know, nothing matched up. I'm shocked that anybody after the fact is trying to show that and pass it off as matching the real events.

I guess I still manage to overestimate the intelligence of the conspiracy community, though I'm not sure how that's possible given my prior opinion.

It reminds me of that JFK = Abe Lincoln thing that has made internet rounds several times before, except not a joke.
 
I love how the government is so powerful yet it has to stage attacks to pass new laws. They can't, you know, just do it. Yep, makes perfect sense!

There's always an excuse with these people. They want to expose these conspiracies but can't because of the media being owned by a secret corporation. They want to expose this secret corporation but they can't because of a shadow government. They want to expose the shadow government but they can't because of ?????

Maybe, just maybe... it's because they're complete wack jobs?
 
Have you guys seen this?

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

What do you make of it?

Good hell. Does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy theses days?

Also look at the picture that says "who does the bag belong to" you see the backpack is destroyed. Yet if you scroll down to the picture that says "backpack identified" you CLEARLY see it on the dudes back AFTER THE BOMBING.
 
I mean whatever the other bomb site is that the store cameras picked up.
The site NOT where the 8 year old kid was.

Does that make sense?

The other bomb site that was picked up by the store cameras is the second bomb, which Dzhokhar is accused of planting. It's the site with the 8 year old kid. Most of the conspiracy theory stuff is from Bomb Site 1/Finish-Line (Tamerlan). I'm not sure what you're asking for
 
The other bomb site that was picked up by the store cameras is the second bomb, which Dzhokhar is accused of planting. It's the site with the 8 year old kid. Most of the conspiracy theory stuff is from Bomb Site 1/Finish-Line (Tamerlan). I'm not sure what you're asking for
I guess i was just combining it all into one spot when looking at everything. I thought it was all from the finish line
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.

This post..

I'm going to pray you're trolling for the sake of humanity and not take the bait.
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.
Pick a photo and I'm sure someone will oblige. The backpack after the blast is shredded and has black and white material, which Dzohkhar's has as well. You can say it doesn't resemble his backpack after the blast but you can't say it's not his. The interior of the pack is likely dark.
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.

We have some low-resolution shots of the backpacks the suspects wore and a single low-res shot of a thoroughly destroyed backpack that I don't recall ever being 100% confirmed to have housed a bomb. And even then the shredded backpack looks similar enough to pass scrutiny. In your mind, does this adequately stand up to a gigantic mountain of evidence showing that we have the actual culprits?
 
This post..

I'm going to pray you're trolling for the sake of humanity and not take the bait.

was expecting a dumb post like this with no answers.

Pick a photo and I'm sure someone will oblige. The backpack after the blast is shredded and has black and white material, which Dzohkhar's has as well. You can say it doesn't resemble his backpack after the blast but you can't say it's not his. The interior of the pack is likely dark.

thx for not replying like the above post
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bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.

Because any reasonable person with common sense would figure the FBI did look into them and ruled them out. Shit, how do you know they weren't undercover BPD/FBI at the event looking for suspicious things such as what happened? If so, clearly they failed, but I seriously doubt they were completely looked over in the investigation.

Just because the FBI/BPD doesn't tell the public absolutely everything that went on during the investigation doesn't mean they didn't look into it.
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.

We have some low-resolution shots of the backpacks the suspects wore and a single low-res shot of a thoroughly destroyed backpack that I don't recall ever being 100% confirmed to have housed a bomb. In your mind, does this adequately discount a gigantic mountain of evidence showing that we have the actual culprits?
 
bla bla bla...all I see is ppl trying to discredit CT ppl but know one is saying why none of the backpacks matches. I'm just getting into this subject and that's all I see, and know one doesn't even say what's wrong with the photos. It makes you worst then the CT ppl not even stating why the photos are wrong and not showing proof why they are wrong. Think how many ppl are like me and don't believe in CT but also don't trust the government.


Did you not see my post???
 
There is a picture of the two Camp guys running and the one without the cap does not have his black backpack on him anymore. The one that does look very similar to the destroyed backpack.

That's the pic that really gets me.
 
well eventually they are going to have to release the video of them planting the bags. That would make a lot of the CT ppl shut up.
 
I laughed at that picture but the one thing no one has explained is those military dudes. I don't think they bombed Boston...I'm pretty sure they all still have their backpacks, but their presence is unnerving.
 
that's the photo they been showing on the news from what I remember saying it was his bag.

Authorities never claimed this, from what I've read. And how awkwardly would that girl have to be standing for that bag to be visible like that between her legs? And fully lit like that? It seems more likely to me that the circled object is in front of her.

well eventually they are going to have to release the video of them planting the bags. That would make a lot of the CT ppl shut up.

They didn't necessarily say they had footage that we haven't seen. But what we know they have is plenty enough. They have the pictures we've seen of Dzhokhar and they have at least one eyewitness who positively identified Tarmalan.
 
Authorities never claimed this, from what I've seen. And how awkwardly would that girl have to be standing for that bag to be visible like that between her legs? And fully lit like that? It seems more likely to me that the circled object is in front of her.



They never said they had footage. But what we know they have is plenty enough. They have the pictures we've seen of Dzhokhar and they have at least one eyewitness who positively identified Tarmalan.


It seems that she's standing at an angle and so is the girl next to her. Where the back leg is hidden by the front one and there's a space between them where you can see the backpack. I could be wrong, tho.
 
Authorities never claimed this, from what I've seen. And how awkwardly would that girl have to be standing for that bag to be visible like that between her legs? And fully lit like that? It seems more likely to me that the circled object is in front of her.

it's most likely NOT the backpack

if it was and dzokhar had just dropped it, he should be talking on his cellphone (or at least pretending to be)
 
I laughed at that picture but the one thing no one has explained is those military dudes. I don't think they bombed Boston...I'm pretty sure they all still have their backpacks, but their presence is unnerving.

they were among the first questionable images out there once this thing went off, and there haven't been any explanations for them, except guesses that they're private security contractors. Is that even true? Contracted to whom, and what were they doing and not doing. Training mission? Surely that had to be cleared with someone.
 
Tin foil hat garbage and lots of inaccuracies (like saying naked guy was a suspect).

I really wish the naked guy would come out and hold a press conference of sorts. So many people believe he is Tamerlan! Supposedly the aunt even swears 100% that the naked guy is Tamerlan.

EDIT: Press in Australia are wanting the naked guy to come forward as well - http://www.news.com.au/world-news/n...ostons-naked-man/story-fnh81jut-1226627017169

IT'S one of the enduring mysteries of the chaos in Boston last week. Just who was the naked man law enforcement authorities paraded in front of the cameras?

After the shooting of a police officer at MIT and the high-speed chase through Watertown that followed, the Boston Police arrested and questioned a man and ordered him to strip. CNN broadcast footage of the nude man being escorted by police to a waiting wagon.
It was a riveting moment in the foggy TV coverage of the issue, where it (wrongly) seemed like there was resolution to the case.

But days later the naked man has yet to come forward, and the Watertown police department has not clarified the man’s identity – fuelling conspiracy theories about the man’s identity.​
 
it's most likely NOT the backpack

if it was and dzokhar had just dropped it, he should be talking on his cellphone (or at least pretending to be)

Hell, if you zoom in it even appears to partially obscure one of the bars of the fence.
 
They didn't necessarily say they had footage that we haven't seen.

They have -- they have security footage from the restaurant in the background of that photo showing him from behind dropping the backpack as well as photos from the front showing it at his feet. It's described in the complaint

The stuff described does not match that alleged photo of the bag. I'm sure the actual evidence will come out as the trial progresses
 
They have -- they have security footage from the restaurant in the background of that photo showing him from behind as well as photos from the front. It's described in the complaint

Fair enough. I was under the impression that was among the footage already released. Looking at the complaint, I was definitely wrong because they're describing exact frames of time (18 seconds talking on the phone, etc...).
 
they were among the first questionable images out there once this thing went off, and there haven't been any explanations for them, except guesses that they're private security contractors. Is that even true? Contracted to whom, and what were they doing and not doing. Training mission? Surely that had to be cleared with someone.
They do training and security going from what is on their site, so who knows. Looks like do everything from guarding schools to training people in the military.
 
Tsarnaev had been shot in the head, neck, legs and one hand, according to an FBI affidavit supporting the charges. He had lost a lot of blood and may have hearing loss from two flash-bang devices used to draw him out of the boat, the source said.

man, i'm amazed that this kid is still alive

how do you get shot (or shoot yourself) in the head and neck and live?
 
Fair enough. I was under the impression that was among the footage already released.

The description I was talking about:
my rough attempt at copying the complaint said:
I have also reviewed video footage taken from a security camera affixed above the doorway of the Forum Restaurant [location of bombing] located at 755 Boylston Street, which was the site of the second explosion...

...Approximately 15 seconds later, he can be seen stopping directly in front of the Forum Restaurant and standing near the metal barrier among numerous spectators, with his back to the camera, facing the runners. He then can be seen apparently slipping his knapsack onto the ground. A photograph taken from the opposite side of the street shows the knapsack on the ground at Bomber Two's feet. The Forum Restaurant video shows Bomber Two remained in the same spot for approximately four minutes, occasionally looking at his cell phone and once appearing to take a picture with it. At some point he appears to look at his phone, which is held approximately waist level, and may be manipulating the phone. Approximately 30 seconds before the first explosion, he lifts his phone to his ear as if he is speaking on his cell phone, and keeps it there for approximately 18 seconds. A few seconds after he finishes the call, the large crowd of people around him can be seen reacting to the first explosion. Virtually every head turns to the east (towards the finish line) and stares in that direction in apparent bewilderment and alarm. Bomber Two, virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant, appears calm. He glances to the east and then calmly but rapidly begins moving to the west, away from the direction of the finish line. He walks away without his knapsack, having left it on the ground where he had been standing. Approximately 10 seconds later, an explosion occurs in the location where Bomber Two had placed his knapsack.

edit: nm, I see you read it
 
The description I was talking about:


edit: nm, I see you read it

Actually I was referring to the contents of Stump's post. Although I had read what you posted and must have forgotten how detailed it was.

I read the affidavit filed to substantiate the charges.

Timeline:
2:38 Two men (Bomber 1 and 2) turn east from Gloucester onto Boylston. Unbroken footage and photos of them walking towards Fairfield st.
2:41 Camera from Forum Restaurant, the two are standing together.
2:42 Bomber 1 walks east. He passes the restaurant and still has his backpack, walking east.
2:45 Bomber 2 exits crowd, walks towards finish line. Stops directly in front of Forum Restaurant, stands with back facing runner, puts knapsack on ground. Uses phone for a few minutes. Puts phone to ear for an 18 second period, and immediately after call ends, explosion 1 goes off.
Crowd looks towards explosion and begins to run. Bomber 2 briefly glances east and walks away to west without knapsack. Ten seconds later, bomb explodes at exact location where knapsack was left.

Watertown Night:
Near midnight, individual is carjacked in Cambridge. Individual approached passenger side window, knocked on window, announced that he was the Boston Marathon bomber, pointed a gun at drive, removed clip to show there were bullets in it, replaced clip. Got in passenger side, forced man to drive to another location to pick up a second passenger, who got in the back driver's side of the car. They spoke in a foreign language.

They robbed the driver who has 45 dollars cash. They then got his ATM card and password and had him drive to an ATM. There was a camera at the ATM that shows one or both of the suspects. They then drove to a convenience store at 816 Memorial Drive. There was a camera at the gas station that shows one or more of the suspects. Both men left the car and the victim escaped.

The car was located (not in affidavit how, but we know it's from tracking the victim's cell phone). They threw two bombs out the car at police. Gun fight. One man stays at scene and is injured (not in affidavit, but we know this is Tamerlan, who died of his injuries). The other man drives off. Car is found abandoned. Inside the car is a "low-grade explosive device". From the shootout scene, they got 2 unexploded bombs and pieces of exploded bombs.

The body of the man taken to hospital visually matches Tamerlan and they did a fingerprint match as well.

The boat:
They removed an individual from the boat. He was carrying a stack of ID all identifying him as Dzhokhar. Gunshot wounds to head, neck, legs, and hand.

Dorm:
They raided Dzhokhar's dorm and found the jacket and hat he was wearing at the Marathon, as well as "a large pyrotechnic"--it's not clear if this is referring to a legal firework or something else.

The bombs:
Both bombs used at the marathon were made from pressure cookers of the same brand, bbs in an "adhesive material", and nails. The fuses were green-coloured hobby fuses. The bombs at the Watertown scene also match--the intact pressure cooker bomb was the same brand of pressure cooker, and all bombs at the scene used the same type of fuses.

So that's the bare minimum amount of evidence they're providing to establish probable cause, they will investigate and include much more if/when this goes to trial.
 
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