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[Kinyou]

so after being read his Miranda rights he wont say anything. interesting.

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Edit: or can the stuff he said beforehand not be used in court?

 

[empty vessel]

Second, "Islamic" is an adjective. It qualifies the nature of something. The killing of innocents, in this instance, was due in large part because of Islamic radicalization, which has both political and religious implications. We're just being obtuse if we deny the role of Islam in leading Tamerlan to terrorism.

If it's obtuse to fail to interpret Tamerlan's actions as Islamic terrorism, then I think we can also call it obtuse to fail to interpret the US's actions in Western and Southern Asia as anti-Muslim.

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Almost everybody will waive his rights to silence and to counsel during questioning until given a lawyer who asserts them for the client. Partly this is due to methods police have developed to undermine the effectiveness of Miranda warnings.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Two things:

First, I disagree that terrorism is identified solely by innocents getting killed. That's part of how we identify it, but not the only connotation.



The very first definition references politics, but makes no mention of civilians.

Second, "Islamic" is an adjective. It qualifies the nature of something. The killing of innocents, in this instance, was due in large part because of Islamic radicalization, which has both political and religious implications. We're just being obtuse if we deny the role of Islam in leading Tamerlan to terrorism.

So so wrong

It was not Islamic radicalization which did this but a Muslim who was radicalized. There are many devout muslims, most of them are not radical just because they are devout of follow Islam very religiously. By saying Islamic radicalization, there is a generalization that because of Islamic values, he was radicalized, because he became devout, he became radicalized. Wrong! He was radicalized by people using unislamic values like justification of killing civilians or holy war or jihad of the sword. A proper term is radicalized muslim not islamic radical.

There are sections of people who follow orthodox wahabism or maudoodism, both of which take specific verses to suit their needs without any surrounding verses context and use it to gain power and attack other people

 

[Neo C.]

The Tsarnaev family have shown themselves to be complete wackos. I think it's time for them shut up now.

I'm not harsh to the father and one of the sis though, it's just Tamerlan and the mom who are radicalized. And Dschochar is the stupid little bro following big bro without thinking (even though he seems to be a brainy).
Uncle Ruslan broke the relationship with the family because of Tamerlan and the mom, he even defended his bro.

 

[Tamanon]

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Edit: or can the stuff he said beforehand not be used in court?

Beforehand can't be used in court. After, it can be.

Doesn't matter either way really.

 

[HoosTrax]

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Edit: or can the stuff he said beforehand not be used in court?

Maybe his newly-appointed public defender advised him to stfu.

 

[Liquid_Bike]

So those bombs they were throwing at the police as they were fleeing were meant for Times Square.

 

[Nibel]

This seems threadworthy

The Associated Press ‏@AP
BREAKING: NYC Mayor: Boston Marathon bombings suspect said New York was next target.

BREAKING: NYPD says Boston suspects had pressure cooker bomb, 5 pipe bombs when they headed for Times Square.

Full story

 

[Maninthemirror]

This seems threadworthy





Full story

Were they headed for
Timesquare when they carjacked?

 

[Nibel]

Were they headed for
Timesquare when they carjacked?

Seems like it

Also:

They said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) told Boston investigators from his hospital bed that he and his brother had discussed going to New York to detonate their remaining explosives. They said they decided it spontaneously.

 

[Freezie KO]

If it's obtuse to fail to interpret Tamerlan's actions as Islamic terrorism, then I think we can also call it obtuse to fail to interpret the US's actions in Western and Southern Asia as anti-Muslim.

"The US's actions in Western and Southern Asia" comprise a lot of different actions with many intents and politics behind them. Identifying the cause of a singular action (Tamerlan laying a bomb down) doesn't say anything to a wide swath of actions across a large region.

If there's a specific action you think is "anti-Muslim", say it specifically. Only then can we discuss the actual intent behind the action.

He was radicalized by people using unislamic values like justification of killing civilians or holy war or jihad of the sword.

You say those are unIslamic values. Some other Muslims disagree with you. Most importantly, Tamerlan and this "Misha" character appear to disagree.

I don't know how many "radicalized Muslims" we have to see before we are allowed to infer that there might actually be an inherent quality to Islam that creates such a fertile ground for radicalization.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Seems like it

Also:

New york has this algorithmic security system that as soon as someone puts a bag on the ground anywhere in times
Square a silent alert goes up to alert authorities who can then view who it was

 

[Maninthemirror]

"The US's actions in Western and Southern Asia" comprise a lot of different actions with many intents and politics behind them. Identifying the cause of a singular action (Tamerlan laying a bomb down) doesn't say anything to a wide swath of actions across a large region.

If there's a specific action you think is "anti-Muslim", say it specifically. Only then can we discuss the actual intent behind the action.



You say those are unIslamic values. Some other Muslims disagree with you. Most importantly, Tamerlan and this "Misha" character appear to disagree.

I don't know how many "radicalized Muslims" we have to see before we are allowed to infer that there might actually be an inherent quality to Islam that creates such a fertile ground for radicalization.

Some are the minority, some are the taliban, the al qaeda, the radicalized muslims, not Islam in general. Its up to common sense to decide if they want to accept the translation of the radicalized muslims or non radicalized muslims. Only one will help fighting the war on terror and dialogue

There are many muslims here, ask them all, they will say the same thing, nearly all 1.6 billion muslims will say the same thing

 

[MMBosstones86]

Maybe his newly-appointed public defender advised him to stfu.

This seems rather accurate.

 

[Maninthemirror]

http://www.newreligion.eu/2013/04/boston-bombers-leave-us-at-prayer.html?m=1

For a country whose fastest growing religion is 'no religion', a curious - though not entirely surprising - word has been trending all week on Twitter: pray.

In many ways, prayer unified otherwise disassociated Americans. On various social media outlets, at sporting events, on the floor of the Senate, and at interfaith vigils throughout the country, Americans were asked to pray for Boston.

Yet, in other ways, prayer was also an 'othering' force. Muslims prayed that the terrorists would be someone other than their own. You could almost hear the collective groan of disappointment from the American Muslim community as the words 'Boston Marathon suspects are Muslims' flashed on TV screens. The most damning evidence against 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev's character was that 'he recently began praying five times a day'. Prayer divided the life of Tamerlan between an otherwise normal 'weed-smoking' American existence and the life of a 'radicalised Muslim terrorist'.

Of course, fingers were pointed at Muslims long before Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were identified as suspects. During the chaos that ensued in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, a 20 year old Saudi student - who was badly burned due to the bomb - was tackled by people 'who thought he looked suspicious'. Another innocent 17 year old high school student of Moroccan nationality said he was afraid to leave his home after the New York Post irresponsibly plastered his image on their front page, blaming him for the bombings. Perhaps the worst response was by TV commentator Erik Rush who tweeted: "Muslims are evil. Kill them all".



So as I put on my headscarf on Friday before heading out to run an errand, I couldn't help but reconsider whether I should go out. Rush's words kept echoing in my mind. Perhaps it was an irrational fear, but the Council on American Islamic Relations reports that several hate crimes against American Muslims have already been carried out, including the cruel beating of a Bangladeshi man and the assault of a hijab-wearing Muslim woman who was pushing a baby stroller. If women with children are not off-limits, who is safe?

Since the suspects were officially labelled Muslim, countless press releases and articles by American Muslim groups have denounced the two brothers in an attempt to distance them from the larger American Muslim community. Interestingly, a decidedly different response has come from sections of the Christian community. Of all people, prayers for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have poured in since his arrest. Reverand Manny Alvarez, a priest of the Archdiocese of Miami, tweeted: "we must pray for this 19 year old too because we’re Catholic". Another Catholic news website tweeted: "We also need to remember to pray for the suspect...He is also a child of God, after all".

It is unlikely that a similarly compassionate response will come from any Muslim American. And it's not because of Muslim theology; Islamic tradition recommends praying for one's enemies. But for a Muslim in this political climate to say they are praying for this particular enemy would be the death knell of relations with the wider American community. Instead, as popular American Muslim playwright Wajahat Ali recently wrote, 'the safest and best' response an American Muslim can have to the Boston Marathon bombings, 'is to freeze, smile widely, wave your American flags wildly, and repeat the mantra I love America patriotically'. @newreligionEU

 

[Freezie KO]

Some are the minority, some are the taliban, the al qaeda, the radicalized muslims, not Islam in general. Its up to common sense to decide if they want to accept the translation of the radicalized muslims or non radicalized muslims. Only one will help fighting the war on terror and dialogue

There are many muslims here, ask them all, they will say the same thing, nearly all 1.6 billion muslims will say the same thing

I'm grateful that most Muslims do not follow the more violent interpretations of their texts. But if you align yourself with a 7th century belief system, you can't be surprised when people act out like they live in the 7th century.

Ultimately, whether it's "Islamic terrorism" or "terrorism done by radicalized Muslims" will come down to semantics. The common denominators there are still terror and Islam.

For the record, I have no problem calling an abortion clinic bombing as Christian terrorism if done for religiously motivated reasons by Christians.

 

[KPJZKC]

You say those are unIslamic values. Some other Muslims disagree with you. Most importantly, Tamerlan and this "Misha" character appear to disagree.

I don't know how many "radicalized Muslims" we have to see before we are allowed to infer that there might actually be an inherent quality to Islam that creates such a fertile ground for radicalization.

Safe to say Christianity has an inherent quality that creates a fertile ground for burning innocent women, wholesale slaughter of followers of other religions, and fucking little boys.

Spoiler

You can do this for almost any religion by the way.

This problem of "radicalisation" is greatly affected by the hand that muslim/middle eastern countries have been dealt (mostly by the western world).

 

[Blinding]

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Edit: or can the stuff he said beforehand not be used in court?

They used a security exception which I'm sure will be argued about in court. 16 hours of interrogation before he's read his rights just seems wrong, regardless of the devastation he and his brother caused.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I'm grateful that most Muslims do not follow the more violent interpretations of their texts. But if you align yourself with a 7th century belief system, you can't be surprised when people act out like they live in the 7th century.

Ultimately, whether it's "Islamic terrorism" or "terrorism done by radicalized Muslims" will come down to semantics. The common denominators there are still terror and Islam.

For the record, I have no problem calling an abortion clinic bombing as Christian terrorism if done for religiously motivated reasons by Christians.

Fortunately it is the 7th century belief
Which said if you kill any person its as if you killed all humanity and if you saved any person its as if you saved the entire humanity so this 7th century excuse will not fly, it is the radicalization in the 20th and 21st century ideas among radicalized muslims which brought up killing westeners or Americans or non muslims and suicide bombings and beheadings due to fanaticism.....

So think about it. Use common sense and think about this. If the majority of muslims who follow Islam to the core are not radicalized, is it the religion that is driving the radicals or their brainwashing. Think about it

 

[Freezie KO]

Safe to say Christianity has an inherent quality that creates a fertile ground for burning innocent women, wholesale slaughter of followers of other religions, and fucking little boys.

I would say Christianity creates fertile ground for slaughter of followers of other religions. And the way the Church is run with repression of sexuality and persecution of homosexuality absolutely is part of the reason for the pedophilic scandals they deal with.

You can do this for almost any religion by the way.

And I do.

This problem of "radicalisation" is greatly affected by the hand that muslim/middle eastern countries have been dealt (mostly by the western world).

Tamerlan was living a relatively good life in the States. He was radicalized by the influence of Islam.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I would say Christianity creates fertile ground for slaughter of followers of other religions. And the way the Church is run with repression of sexuality and persecution of homosexuality absolutely is part of the reason for the pedophilic scandals they deal with.



And I do.




Tamerlan was living a relatively good life in the States. He was radicalized by the influence of Islam.

There you go again with the generalization. I wouldnt call it islamophobia yet but its getting there. This is something Rush or Hannity or Beck would say, didnt expect it from you. I and plenty are muslims who pray 5 times a day and are devout muslims, are we radicalized?

 

[Freezie KO]

There you go again with the generalization. I wouldnt call it islamophobia yet but its getting there.

"Islamophobia" is a term used to silence critics of Islam. Sorry, but Muslims are not a race and criticizing your religion is a valid thing to do in the 21st century.

But go ahead and call it whatever you want. Islamophobia? Sure. I'm afraid of Islam. I think it has a horrible effect on the world.

I and plenty are muslims who pray 5 times a day and are devout muslims, are we radicalized?

I didn't say that. I said Tamerlan was radicalized. That's exactly what happened. You've read about the influence of "Misha", right?

I think you're silly for praying five times day. I think believing in irrational gods and burning afterlifes for unbelievers is dangerous. But you're not "radical", insofar as what you have described.

 

[Maninthemirror]

"Islamophobia" is a term used to silence critics of Islam. Sorry, but Muslims are not a race and criticizing your religion is a valid thing to do in the 21st century.

But go ahead and call it whatever you want. Islamophobia? Sure. I'm afraid of Islam. I think it has a horrible effect on the world.





I didn't say that. I said Tamerlan was radicalized. That's exactly what happened. You've read about the influence of "Misha", right?

I think you're silly for praying five times day. I think believing in irrational gods and burning afterlifes for unbelievers is dangerous. But you're not "radical", insofar as what you have described.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Doc Holliday]

There you go again with the generalization. I wouldnt call it islamophobia yet but its getting there. This is something Rush or Hannity or Beck would say, didnt expect it from you. I and plenty are muslims who pray 5 times a day and are devout muslims, are we radicalized?

I would consider praying 5 times a day in any religion pretty radical

I kid I kid

 

[Maninthemirror]

I would consider praying 5 times a day in any religion pretty radical

I kid I kid

:lol

 

[rawk]

I'm not harsh to the father and one of the sis though, it's just Tamerlan and the mom who are radicalized. And Dschochar is the stupid little bro following big bro without thinking (even though he seems to be a brainy).
Uncle Ruslan broke the relationship with the family because of Tamerlan and the mom, he even defended his bro.

He doesn't seem brainy at all to me. The stuff that was posted earlier in the thread (or in an older one?) that he wrote for some class makes him seem like an airhead.

 

[KPJZKC]

Tamerlan was living a relatively good life in the States. He was radicalized by the influence of Islam.

I don't agree with your phrasing here - he was radicalised by this Misha person, not "the influence of Islam". I don't believe that the hate that is required to do something like this is an intrinsic part of Islam, I spent 9 months living in a predominantly muslim country and never met anyone who thought this sort of thing was justifiable.

Like I tried to say before, I've always believed that this sort of radicalisation is a direct response to the problems caused by western interference (political and military) in the middle-east, not by the religion itself. If I recall correctly, several reports indicated that the younger brother was angry with the war in Iraq.

 

[Doc Holliday]

:lol

Seriously speaking, as I typed i was really hesitant. In all honesty I hesitate when I think about joking about Islam to a muslim. I never feel like that with other religions. I'm sure it's mostly my own prejudices by I think Muslims need to a better job at, for lack of a better word, rebranding themselves. Having people fear you for a your religion is not healthy and everyone is at fault for the current situation.

 

[tfur]

Safe to say Christianity has an inherent quality that creates a fertile ground for burning innocent women, wholesale slaughter of followers of other religions, and fucking little boys.

Spoiler

You can do this for almost any religion by the way.

This problem of "radicalisation" is greatly affected by the hand that muslim/middle eastern countries have been dealt (mostly by the western world).

Not really. You are considering two different things in regards to the Christian philosophy.

What is written,
and what is interpreted and practiced.

Christian philosophy, as written, actually has the opposite inherent qualities of your examples. Although, it is possible for people to interpret and change those philosophies and to also create clubs or fraternities that could do some of the things in your example.

There seems to be difference with Islam, as noted by Ottomanscribe in written verse. Islam does seem to give an excuse for killing. Also, he does mention interpretations that maybe jihad is allowed to be violent, but not against children.

…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

Here, there are written tenants that authorize killing and violence. Its just a matter of how radically you interpret the words.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Not really. You are considering two different things in regards to the Christian philosophy.

What is written,
and what is interpreted and practiced.

Christian philosophy, as written, actually has the opposite inherent qualities of your examples. Although, it is possible for people to interpret and change those philosophies and to also create clubs or fraternities that could do some of the things in your example.

There seems to be difference with Islam, as noted by Ottomanscribe in written verse. Islam does seem to give an excuse for killing. Also, he does mention interpretations that maybe jihad is allowed to be violent, but not against children.





Here, there are written tenants that authorize killing and violence. Its just a matter of how radically you interpret the words.

Holy war or Jihad of sword has no place in Islam anymore.

Jihad of sword- the lesser jihad - is used to defend Islam from people people are coming for you with weapons to destroy Islam as a religion completely, not unarmed or children , women especially or civilians


1. Islam is everywhere it doesn't need defending anymore
2. Bombers killed civilians
3. No one was attacking the brothers
4. They killed women
5. They killed a child

1-5 means that if you read Islam, they are going to hell most likely

This is why jihad of sword was valid during time of Muhammad (saw) to defend all 1000 muslims in entire world and not anymore when its everywhere

 

[MMBosstones86]

Did this thread devolve into a discussion about religion? I'm sure there is a religion thread floating around here...

Spoiler

or this is perfectly on topic with this thread and i'm just skipping all the religion shit

 

[Freezie KO]

I don't agree with your phrasing here - he was radicalised by this Misha person, not "the influence of Islam". I don't believe that the hate that is required to do something like this is an intrinsic part of Islam, I spent 9 months living in a predominantly muslim country and never met anyone who thought this sort of thing was justifiable.

Like I tried to say before, I've always believed that this sort of radicalisation is a direct response to the problems caused by western interference (political and military) in the middle-east, not by the religion itself. If I recall correctly, several reports indicated that the younger brother was angry with the war in Iraq.

Misha influenced him, but with what? What belief system did he use? He didn't lure Tamerlan with socialism or Greek mythology or Misha-ism. It was Islam. There's no sense denying this. And you can mention Western imperialism all you want, but Islamic terrorists attack more than just the West.

Tamerlan gave up music because he thought that's what Islam wanted him to do. He gave up his love of boxing for the same reason. His increased identification as a Muslim above all else, fostered the "us against them" mentality. That's why he thought Iraq was the US trying to eliminate Islam. And his "us against them" mentality led him to think Jews were taking over the world.

This all has a very nice foundation in Islam. Unbelievers go to hell. Jihad against those who oppose you. Blah blah blah. I've read the texts (albeit in English translation and not the magical Arabic text that apparently cures blindness). Combine this with Islam's past and its prime infallible prophet being an actual political warlord, and all this very much fosters an "us versus them" belief with violent consequences.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Misha influenced him, but with what? What belief system did he use? He didn't lure Tamerlan with socialism or Greek mythology or Misha-ism. It was Islam. There's no sense denying this. And you can mention Western imperialism all you want, but Islamic terrorists attack more than just the West.

Tamerlan gave up music because he thought that's what Islam wanted him to do. He gave up his love of boxing for the same reason. His increased identification as a Muslim above all else, fostered the "us against them" mentality. That's why he thought Iraq was the US trying to eliminate Islam. And his "us against them" mentality led him to think Jews were taking over the world.

This all has a very nice foundation in Islam. Unbelievers go to hell. Jihad against those who oppose you. Blah blah blah. I've read the texts (albeit in English translation and not the magical Arabic text that apparently cures blindness). Combine this with Islam's past and its prime infallible prophet being an actual political warlord, and all this very much fosters an "us versus them" belief with violent consequences.

So you are clearly saying that in your opinion, Islam is evil. And the billions of muslims who devoutly follow Islam, do you believe they, as a result of Islam being evil (in your opinion) are evil as they follow Islam to the core?

 

[Freezie KO]

So you are clearly saying that in your opinion, Islam is evil. And the billions of muslims who devoutly follow Islam, do you believe they, as a result of Islam being evil (in your opinion) are evil as they follow Islam to the core?

First, I never used the term "evil." I prefer "dangerous." Dangerous refers to a probability of the effects of the religion towards interests that I hold dear. Evil is a moral judgement.

But to answer your question, I don't believe that all Muslims are evil. And most are not dangerous.

The text in the book they claim to adhere to is violent, misogynist, and often incompatible with other Western rights. I think the political history of Islam is problematic.

But each Muslim is going to have their own interpretation of the text and the politics. I also don't think it's black-and-white either. A Muslim who would bomb a parade is the most dangerous. A Muslim who would vote for the Muslim Brotherhood is less dangerous than someone who would plant a bomb, but they're more dangerous to human rights than someone who would vote for a secular leader.

 

[Fenderputty]

Religion in general is dangerous. This isn't exclusive to Islam.

 

[Half and half]

But to answer your question, I don't believe that all Muslims are evil. And most are not dangerous.

Good, because we're talking about a really tiny percentage of people who are violent.

The text in the book they claim to adhere to is violent, misogynist, and often incompatible with other Western rights. I think the political history of Islam is problematic.

So, sounds like Christianity.

 

[Maninthemirror]

First, I never used the term "evil." I prefer "dangerous." Dangerous refers to a probability of the effects of the religion towards interests that I hold dear. Evil is a moral judgement.

But to answer your question, I don't believe that all Muslims are evil. And most are not dangerous.

The text in the book they claim to adhere to is violent, misogynist, and often incompatible with other Western rights. I think the political history of Islam is problematic.

But each Muslim is going to have their own interpretation of the text and the politics. I also don't think it's black-and-white either. A Muslim who would bomb a parade is the most dangerous. A Muslim who would vote for the Muslim Brotherhood is less dangerous than someone who would plant a bomb, but they're more dangerous to human rights than someone who would vote for a secular leader.

See that doesn't make sense. The majority of muslims as you say follow the same text as radicals, the majority read the same book, have the same translation as the radicals so is is it then the text which is the issue or the radicals who read verse B and skip over verse A and C which is used as context and tells them the conditions of Jihad of sword(which dont apply to current world affairs). If we as muslims know these radicals are crazy and misinterpreting the religion in the way not intended, why do you seem to be so intent on implying that the text somewhat validates a fanatics belief? If we as muslims tell all non muslims that the meaning and relevance of a
Verse is not what the radicals think it is, why are you so intent on believing the radical
Version

Its like you start believing info wars just becauase their interpretation of events is explained by them in their own twisted
Ways but most common sense people know info wars is wrong as are all their beliefs, but people do still believe them because they are crazy just like fanatics. A crazy person can interpret any good and turn it into evil and influence if they are mentally suspeptible to be so easily manipulated.

Its up to you if you want to believe the majority of muslims who say radicals have it wrong or the minority of radicals who say the majority are wrong

 

[Blader]

So why was he even answering questions at all? Did he not know his rights?

Edit: or can the stuff he said beforehand not be used in court?

What he said before having his rights read won't be admissible in court, but that'll hardly help his case here anyway.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Seems odd that someone who was willing to throw their life away would just spill details to the feds like this.

Especially pending a trial without a plea bargain on the table.

wtf

 

[MMBosstones86]

Seems odd that someone who was willing to throw their life away would just spill details to the feds like this.

Especially pending a trial without a plea bargain on the table.

wtf

Conscience? Realizes he's screwed one way or another?

Who knows.

 

[Half and half]

Seems odd that someone who was willing to throw their life away would just spill details to the feds like this.

Especially pending a trial without a plea bargain on the table.

wtf

Hoping to avoid the death penalty perhaps?

I say don't kill him and make him a hero to crazies. Lock his ass up in some cell far away from media attention. Make him just another wikipedia footnote.

 

[Freezie KO]

Its up to you if you want to believe the majority of muslims who say radicals have it wrong or the minority of radicals who say the majority are wrong

The text lends itself to both interpretations and that's part of what makes it dangerous.

If a text claims to be the infallible word of god AND lends itself to multiple vague interpretations (some of which are very violent), how is that not dangerous?

You would argue that the text is crystal clear, and other Muslims are just getting it wrong. And other Muslims would say the same about you. But the fact is self evident: The text is obviously not clear when people interpret it in so many ways.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Officials: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev intended to detonate explosives in NYC's Times Square.
http://t.co/F2vwIrAWNV

Just read through some of that since I haven't been keeping up with this for the past few days. So, now they're saying there wasn't a shootout at the boat?

 

[Maninthemirror]

The text lends itself to both interpretations and that's part of what makes it dangerous.

If a text claims to be the infallible word of god AND lends itself to multiple vague interpretations (some of which are very violent), how is that not dangerous?

You would argue that the text is crystal clear, and other Muslims are just getting it wrong. And other Muslims would say the same about you. But the fact is self evident: The text is obviously not clear when people interpret it in so many ways.

Any text can lend itself to wrong interpretations if the intent of the person is wrong. This is why there is in fact no difference in critics of islam
And radicals in belief of Islam, if the critics of islam were Muslims, they would in fact be fundamentalist muslims based on their belief of what Islam teaches. How is that for irony. If most muslims tell you, that wrong interpretation is wrong as every verses weight is tolled against other instances of teachings in Quran then someone obviously has issues if he still believes the wrong belief is also valid. Thats screwed up

 

[commedieu]

Just read through some of that since I haven't been keeping up with this for the past few days. So, now they're saying there wasn't a shootout at the boat?

hard to have one, without a confirmed gun.

No firearm was found in the boat where the surviving Boston Marathon attack suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was found, several sources from different agencies familiar with the investigation said Thursday. Authorities had said in a criminal complaint there was a standoff between the boat's occupant and police involving gunfire.

 

[Half and half]

How many people die or suffer in the world due to radical Christian beliefs? Ex. Anti-abortion views.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Just read through some of that since I haven't been keeping up with this for the past few days. So, now they're saying there wasn't a shootout at the boat?

Then what was that video being played on cnn the day after the suspects capture which had semi automatic weapon sounds and police and cnn was saying it was the suspect

 

[speculawyer]

Thanks for proving my point

What is your point? That he was not 'radicalized by the influence of Islam'? Most Alex Jones fans won't take his rantings too seriously and do stupid things but some will. And thus his over-the-top bogus rantings can be considered radicalizing. Thus, Alex Jones should be subject to criticism. Same with Islam.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

Awesome that the judge mirandized him. Of course cowardly republicans getting all huffy over it.

 

[A Black Falcon]

Just read through some of that since I haven't been keeping up with this for the past few days. So, now they're saying there wasn't a shootout at the boat?

Apparently Dzhokhar didn't even have a gun, only his brother.