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[Raistlin]

Yes. I think they need to improve the external bus nextgen. ^_^
Can Thunderbolt do it ? How 'bout the next HDMI ?

I'd have to check on Thunderbolt (can't recall where the specs diverge between active and passive link versions).


Display Port 1.2 would allow higher framerates. I believe it supports the following top configurations over a single link:

• 3840x2160 @ 60p, 30-bit color
• 2560x1600 @ 120p, 30-bit color
• Dual (L/R) 2560x1600 @ 60p, 30-bit color (or 2 screens)
• 4 x 1920x1600 @ 60p (or 1080p60), 24-bit color

As for the next HDMI, I haven't looked in a while to see if any supposedly concrete info has been leaked yet.

DisplayPort 1.2, which is shipping standard now, can push it to 60hz single-link, I believe.

Yep.

Of course the problem is ... will any CE's use it? It's doubtful. HDMI seems pretty ingrained at this point. So it's either hope for the next revision to hit in time or we're capped at 30fps.

 

[patsu]

Yeah, if they go for HDMI... they still need to find another solution for high speed input.

 

[Terrell]

If this is true, so much for Sony learning its lesson about high-priced hardware.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

If this is true, so much for Sony learning its lesson about high-priced hardware.

Read the fucking thread goddammit. Support for 4k resolutions won't affect the PS4 price at all.

This sounds crazy. It's hard to imagine many games supporting 4K natively even if they go through with it.

There won't be any console games running in 4k for quite some time. This is for movies in 4k.

 

[Mandoric]

Of course the problem is ... will any CE's use it? It's doubtful. HDMI seems pretty ingrained at this point. So it's either hope for the next revision to hit in time or we're capped at 30fps.

The cynic in me says that if by some magical turn of events we get truly mass-market 4k sets, consoles that support games pretty enough for the average gamer at full-speed QHD, and a gaming public that demands 60hz action...
Sony and MS are gonna sell a lot of PS4/X720 Elites.

 

[BadAss2961]

This sounds crazy. It's hard to imagine many games supporting 4K natively even if they go through with it.

 

[boiled goose]

who said that about 1080p?

no one. :/
1080p is clearly a resolution that makes a difference for 42-60 inch displays. not many ppl have larger TVs...

seems unnecessary.

 

[PerZona]

When the PS4 releases and a few years down the road 4k wouldn't be such a shocker. This tech will be needed in the PS4 and the next Xbox. You guys are thinking as if the PS4 will last for only 2 years or something >_>

 

[boiled goose]

When the PS4 releases and a few years down the road 4k wouldn't be such a shocker. This tech will be needed in the PS4 and the next Xbox. You guys are thinking as if the PS4 will last for only 2 years or something >_>

unless mainstream TVs get much larger than 60in or ppl suddenly start watching TV from 2 feet away it will not be necessary.

 

[patsu]

It doesn't have to be 1 big 4K screen anyhow. It can be 2 2K screens, or 4 1080p screens, or 2 1080p 3D screens, or 3 Retina iPad screens, etc. As long as the computing resources are powerful enough to handle the workload, we should be able to do a few interesting things in PS4.

EDIT: And let's not forget about _fast_ HD camera motion input.

 

[Raistlin]

If this is true, so much for Sony learning its lesson about high-priced hardware.

so much for reading the thread

There won't be any console games running in 4k for quite some time. This is for movies in 4k.

And photos

 

[Terrell]

Read the fucking thread goddammit. Support for 4k resolutions won't affect the PS4 price at all.

Article is poorly written by mentioning 4k gaming in the paragraph talking about how Sony wants to upsell TVs. And couldn't begin to guess which page of these reams of responses finally corrected that.

Not to mention the thread title suggests the same conclusion I leapt to.

SORRY.

 

[~Kinggi~]

When the PS4 releases and a few years down the road 4k wouldn't be such a shocker. This tech will be needed in the PS4 and the next Xbox. You guys are thinking as if the PS4 will last for only 2 years or something >_>

Not really. What might end up happening is Sony pushes this 4k thing, and MS decides to stick with solid 1080p, maybe targeting smoother framerates. What then ends up happening is what happened with blu-ray/dvd and most game devs will just tailor everything to work for 1080p and not even bother with 4k. Most people wont even notice a difference. The difference they notice will actually be better looking xbox games at lower res than full res ps games, that is if there were actually different products.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

And photos

True. Maybe the PS4 will let you connect a printer to print your photos too?

 

[Raistlin]

unless mainstream TVs get much larger than 60in or ppl suddenly start watching TV from 2 feet away it will not be necessary.

You don't need to be 2 feet away

That said, a big rationale for 4K is passive and glasses-free 3D. Regardless, this will eventually be the norm for larger-sized sets. Just as '720p' displays are pretty much extinct aside from the very cheapest displays and really small LCD's.

True. Maybe the PS4 will let you connect a printer to print your photos too?

Will be the best firmware update ever

 

[patsu]

True. Maybe the PS4 will let you connect a printer to print your photos too?

4K photo and printer support can be done in PS3.

EDIT: See this... http://helpguide.sony.net/apps_pj/playmemories_4k_edition/v1/ww_us/as_faq.html

 

[Mandoric]

True. Maybe the PS4 will let you connect a printer to print your photos too?

I'm not sure, I think adding USB support will be a huge expense and I'd have to get another job.

 

[patsu]

Not really. What might end up happening is Sony pushes this 4k thing, and MS decides to stick with solid 1080p, maybe targeting smoother framerates. What then ends up happening is what happened with blu-ray/dvd and most game devs will just tailor everything to work for 1080p and not even bother with 4k. Most people wont even notice a difference. The difference they notice will actually be better looking xbox games at lower res than full res ps games, that is if there were actually different products.

The Retina iPad already has higher res. Developers are starting to develop for > 1080p output.

That said, every developer will indeed choose the appropriate art direction for each game.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

I barely appreciate the difference between 480p and 1080p. I'm sure 4k will completely change that, however. Preorder confirmed.

 

[Raistlin]

4K photo and printer support can be done in PS3.

Oh wow ... I completely forget they added support for that.

I barely appreciate the difference between 480p and 1080p.

0_o

 

[McHuj]

People reading too much into this. Even decoding and displaying a 4k bluray is not nearly as taxing as rendering a game in 4k.

An AMD Radeon 7750 can display 4k video. whoopie.

 

[Psychotext]

As much as I like fancy tech I just don't see the point in this for another 10 years, at which point I'd hope the PS5 would be about.

Average consumers just aren't going to go for it. You need massive screens or ridiculously short viewing distances to make it worthwhile... not to mention that it's going to be a long, long time before we've got cable / satellite broadcasting in those sorts of resolutions (I don't believe many are even doing 1080p yet).

 

[Skyzard]

Who cares if wipeout ps4 won't be there to show it off. No thanks, time to upgrade PC, especially now that is basically getting all the ports as well.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I'm not sure, I think adding USB support will be a huge expense and I'd have to get another job.

If you get a third job you can afford the superior model with built-in vinyl deck support to let you import granny's old Beach Boys LPs to listen to as custom soundtracks for GT6.

4K photo and printer support can be done in PS3.

-> The joke



-> Your head

 

[Raistlin]

and mine lol

 

[patsu]

If you get a third job you can afford the superior model with built-in vinyl deck support to let you import granny's old Beach Boys LPs to listen to as custom soundtracks for GT6.



-> The joke



-> Your head

Oh why so sensitive ? Joke or no joke, the links are there since people are talking about 4K media.

GAF seems sick today.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Oh why so sensitive ? Joke or no joke, the links are there since people are talking about 4K photos and videos.

GAF seems sick today.

I'm not sensitive, but I was joking about the (rather useless) printer support feature of the PS3, and you didn't catch on to the joke

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

4k support won't raise the price of the PS4. The GPU rumoured to be in the PS4, an AMD Radeon HD 7xxx card, already supports 4k output (for movies, that is, obviously you wouldn't get any PS4 games running at rk resolution).

 

[Tim-E]

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

 

[patsu]

I'm not sensitive, but I was joking about the (rather useless) printer support feature of the PS3, and you didn't catch on to the joke

I don't know if Printer Support will be useless on home consoles. It may be a sign of things to come in nextgen if MS goes PC for the next Xbox.

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

I don't think they have a choice. This is the market they play in. And MS will bring out their big guns too.

For that matter, iOS will continue to up its specs too.

That said, 4K may not be too expensive to implement given that it's here already.

 

[DeVeAn]

Yea, I don't think so.

 

[BlackJace]

Will be cool when I get a 4K TV in a decade.

 

[Tim-E]

Will be cool when I get a 4K TV in a decade.

I imagine that eBay will probably be the only place to buy a Playstation product at that point.

 

[Zeal]

I'm all for the latest tech and usually buy it on release, but they should try to work on getting all next-gen games at native 1080p first. You are not going to see any native 4k games for a fuck long time, and we really don't need them.

 

[mclem]

because your brain thinks forwards should be perpendicular to your body, not diagonally off in some direction. previous joypads tried similar designs, and they sucked.

or look at it this way, which way would you expect to have to push the analogue stick on this controller to make it go forwards? lined up with the d-pad or vertically?

I'm... actually okay with this. It never really crossed my mind that people wouldn't be, but fair enough!

Mind you, Wii-esque split controllers make that irrelevant. I guess that's another reason I like 'em!

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I don't know if Printer Support will be useless on home consoles. It may be a sign of things to come in nextgen if MS goes PC for the next Xbox.

I don't think MS will make the Nextbox a HTPC if that's what you're thinking of. More like.. a set-top media hub that happens to play games, not something that you'll use for spreadsheets and Minesweeper on your TV. Printer support is nice as a bullet point, but in the end I don't think it's something that a lot of people would use (I was, however, rather pleased to see I could hook up my Sony DSLR to my PS3 via USB and browse the images on my memory card via my PS3).

 

[BlackJace]

I imagine that eBay will probably be the only place to buy a Playstation product at that point.

Oh snap!

Eh, I think Sony'll hang around.

 

[Raistlin]

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

7/10

 

[onken]

Throw me in with the "waste of time" camp. Very few people sit close enough to a big enough TV to appreciate 1080p, now they are proposing to increase the DPI four-fold? Maybe in the distant hazy future when we have roll-down OLED wallscreens or something.

 

[plagiarize]

Throw me in with the "waste of time" camp. Very few people sit close enough to a big enough TV to appreciate 1080p, now they are proposing to increase the DPI four-fold? Maybe in the distant hazy future when we have roll-down OLED wallscreens or something.

think 4k head mounted displays instead. much more likely.

 

[phosphor112]

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

 

[RukusProvider]

Maybe Sony will have better luck with 4k than 3D.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

think 4k head mounted displays instead. much more likely.

How much would something like that cost? Genuinely curious how it would compare in price to a 4k TV.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

Having seen a actual 4K projector in person, it look a LOT better then you'd think.

Would I pay $20K for it?! Nope...I'll see that tech when it's less then $10K...

 

[Adam Prime]

Renaming of the PS4 to the PS4K or PS4000 confrimed?

 

[Ezduo]

I don't even have an HD television yet. Are they going to start re-releasing blu-ray movies in this new resolution?

 

[Agent Ironside]

This is dumb.

/contribution

 

[TheExecutive]

You kidding? I am already saving for my bionic eyes and brain to fully enjoy the wonder that will be 8k.

I like the way you think.

Sony=bionic eyes to see 4k resolution only $10,000- free 4k TV with every purchase!

 

[TheExecutive]

Will be cool when I get a 4K TV in a decade.

Or never- 4k is the LAST resolution they will ever be able to sell to ppl and it will be a damn hard sell.

 

[TheExecutive]

Sony is dead set on ensuring that the PS4 is the final nail in their coffin. How can they continue to think that going big and expensive is a good idea after these last several years? I love their products, but what a stupid company.

They are stupid aren't they? I surely hope that they take a leap in tech but don't push the physical media forward the way the have the last two times.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

There are consumers who haven't embraced 1080p yet. Selling 4K as a selling point to consumer should be fun.