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Boy Genius Report: Sources confirm 4k resolution for PS4
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Probably everyone should be reminded (if someone didn't already), that 4K TVs are the only way to display autostereoscopic, or passive 3D content in full 1080p. So, they're needed for that at the very least.
As for PS4, it makes a lot of sense to support movies in 4K, why not? It would add nothing to the cost basically. Games won't have to run in that resolution, but that's not what the report claims anyway.
As for PS4, it makes a lot of sense to support movies in 4K, why not? It would add nothing to the cost basically. Games won't have to run in that resolution, but that's not what the report claims anyway.
Mattlikewhoa
Member
$20K for the Sony VW1000. This is the cheapest true 4K projector in the market.
JVC has 4K Lite projectors that 2D upconversion to 3840 x 2160 for 4K. The RS55 (Which I own) is about $5-6K street, and the X90 is about $11K street...
Maastricht
Member
Having just gotten a (cheap) passive little 3D capable tv for the bedroom and really enjoying how natural that looks, I was also thinking that doubling the vertical resolution would make that just perfect. I think LG is coming with a new 4k range just for that purpose, and personally, although I wouldn't have thought it initially, for me passive seems to be winning 3D, by virtue of being so cheap and having both your eyes receiving a constant flow of information feels much nicer. Another big plus is that I just bought 5 pairs of glasses for 4 euro a piece, so I now have a total of 7, with onr really nice clip-on that goes on my regular glasses. So for 297 I have a 27" 3D tv with 7 pairs of glasses and it looks great.
But of course, not having to sacrifice half the resolution would make it not just great, but pretty much perfect.
Biggest downside for upgrading the living room TV appears to be that plugging the HDMI into my receiver and then into the TV doesn't work for 3D - playstation doesn't recognise a 3D signal anymore, meaning that will be something I'll have to solve then too. But that will now definitely wait until I can get a decent sized 4k screen for, say, 500 euros. Which will be 2 years, if that
Do yeah people, don't forget 4k is 1920x2160
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Sony's percentage of the BD licensing monies will never be able to make up for the insane moneysink the PS3 was.
megashock5
Member
... lol, I can't even tell if people are being sarcastic anymore.
Right, but it says right off the bat that they're hoping to use it to drive sales of 4K TVs. I just don't see that being a big enough reasons for people to upgrade.
Good grief, guys - I could have worded it better, but it's pretty obvious what I was getting at.
Arkam
Member
I actually figured they would skip 2160p and go straight to 4320p as the next mainstream standard. So i am not sure at all why people are hating on the idea of going from 1080 -> 2160 at some point in the next 5 - 10 years. We started the jump to 1080p what, 8 years ago?
Remember people Sony, Samsung and the bunch need to sell TVs. They do that best when there is a new feature you need. LIke OP said, this is after they failed with 3D. Unlike 3D I fully support the jump to 2160p in a few years.
Now all that said I doubt few games will support this resolution on the next gen consoles.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Considering there are people ITT who seemingly believe 4k support = lol $999 and getting three jobs to buy a PS4, it wasn't really obvious, sadly. That said, I doubt there will be a lot of people lining up to buy 4k TVs when the PS4 launches, but it's nice to have 4k support for those few who own, or are planning to buy, a 4k TV.
grimshawish
Banned
There suppose to be running out of the TV business though!
God damn it Kaz!
Blu-Ray meanwhile remains a secondary market for a lot of reasons.
The main one is that the industry is happy to sell a product at a higher price that they know people are willing to pay at; whilst selling the same product at a lower price that others are willing to buy at, but that the blu-ray is enough of an incentive for some to go at the higher price.
There are two markets, PS3 did little here. Meanwhile the PS4 shouldn't be priced to run tech that no one will have for over 10 years. A lot of people don't have HD TVs and many that do don't bother with HD channels - they just bought a nice new TV.
This is not the move Sony should be playing.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I think you hit the amount the human eye can actually discern before you get to 4320p.
megashock5
Member
Well, yeah, that is pretty crazy. We're in an insane time where the industry is pushing some new thing every couple of years that asks people to buy a new set when the majority have TVs less than 4-5 years old. I just don't see it taking off anyway, but I seriously doubt PS4 supporting it is going to make a huge impact.
denshuu
Member
No one said that about 1080p. TVs already supported 1080p in 2006 when the PS3 launched, and they were around $3000, which is about the same as a 60 inch LED today.
Right now, a 4K TV will cost you, at the very least, $30,000. It is not even remotely comparable to 1080p in 2006.
Not to mention that 1080 was the original resolution of HDTV. Just interlaced vice progressive. 1280x720 as a standard came later to accommodate fixed pixel HDTVs.
Not that I think 4K will be common; but it is not $30k at least - LG have an 84 inch 4K model coming out for $22k - which is still a silly amount but well within first adopter prices for a tv so huge. By the time the PS4 comes out a smaller 32-40 inch model may well be around the $3k mark.
phosphor112
Banned
In February 2005, Sony introduced the Qualia 70-inch television. It was $13,000.
In September 2005, seven months later, 60-inch KDS-R60XBR1. It was $5,000.
So, yes... it's very comparable.
On one hand, this is an excellent development...
because of VR.
OTOH, without the insane field of view that anything short of VR can usefully provide, this resolution is meaningless.
1080p is already saturating the fovea in pixel density at a field of view of 30 degrees - or a 60" screen sitting roughly 6.5' back or thereabouts.
Modern media isn't designed for a field of view much greater than 45 degrees. Anything larger than that... and you have to start using your head to capture most of the image that previously required eye movements only.
With VR, where the image tracks your head movements, and the field of view is optimized towards making it as large as possible... you'd need something like an 8000x4000 resolution @ 120Hz to exceed the fovea density @ 120+ FOV, without any motion artifacts.
So it makes sense on the PS3, if they want to explore VR technology... but as far as been an upgrade to existing media, it's a non-starter.
because of VR.
OTOH, without the insane field of view that anything short of VR can usefully provide, this resolution is meaningless.
1080p is already saturating the fovea in pixel density at a field of view of 30 degrees - or a 60" screen sitting roughly 6.5' back or thereabouts.
Modern media isn't designed for a field of view much greater than 45 degrees. Anything larger than that... and you have to start using your head to capture most of the image that previously required eye movements only.
With VR, where the image tracks your head movements, and the field of view is optimized towards making it as large as possible... you'd need something like an 8000x4000 resolution @ 120Hz to exceed the fovea density @ 120+ FOV, without any motion artifacts.
So it makes sense on the PS3, if they want to explore VR technology... but as far as been an upgrade to existing media, it's a non-starter.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Once again, the PS4 will be able to support 4k natively because of the specs alone. So do current gaming PCs, and as should/will the next Xbox. As for whether or not this will sell tvs, well you're certainly in a better position to buy a 4k tv if you already own a device that supports it versus not.
I mentioned earlier that people laughed at the idea of a 3d tv but now most companies midline tvs offer 3d whether you wanted it or not. You can get a 50" Panasonic for less than a $1000 with 3d. You can get a 55" 3d led for $1300. Prices people thought would never happen 3 years ago. So its hard to picture what the tv landscape will look like in another 3 years.
I mentioned earlier that people laughed at the idea of a 3d tv but now most companies midline tvs offer 3d whether you wanted it or not. You can get a 50" Panasonic for less than a $1000 with 3d. You can get a 55" 3d led for $1300. Prices people thought would never happen 3 years ago. So its hard to picture what the tv landscape will look like in another 3 years.
So with 4k does that mean a new format to replace blu-ray or are we getting "4k blu-ray"? Seems like overkill when 1080p still is not widely used.
I think when 1080P is standard broadcast resolution then we can worry about the bump to 4k. I really hope Sony knows what they are doing, because this could be another massive money sink for them pushing a format no one wants to adopt yet.
I think when 1080P is standard broadcast resolution then we can worry about the bump to 4k. I really hope Sony knows what they are doing, because this could be another massive money sink for them pushing a format no one wants to adopt yet.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I am not sure where the money sink for Sony is. The BDA (BluRay Disc Association) is a consortium of CE companies that acts together and independently from Sony. 4k bluray if that is a format will be a BDA initiative not just a Sony initiative. The cost for Sony would come from manufacturing their own 4k sets to compete with other CE companies, because no matter what they wouldnt want to fall behind like they did going from CRT to flat panels.
Also I think mobile devices have pushed/trained people's eyes to notice the difference in resolution more than they used to. So maybe in the age of retina/amoled displays people may start to expect higher resolutions. That's just my wild theory though.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
You'll get 4k BDs, so no new format. I think a lot of movies are already shot using 4k cameras anyway.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Calm down guys, your 1080p TVs will still be totally viable for the next 5 years. Technically PS3/360 can do 1080p but how many 1080p games have actually been released? I expect 1080p to be the baseline resolution for the next gen of games.
jeff_rigby
Banned
4K blu-ray = quad layer blu-ray drive + h.265 codec + frame buffer large enough for a 4K image. 4K blu-ray coming in 2013 when h.265 is released.
It should be the baseline, but I'm expecting 720p upscaled to 1080p output being the baseline. The UIs better do 1080p.
BruiserBear
Banned
I would assume this has already been said somewhere in this thread, but I can't be bothered to read every page.
Before anyone goes about discussing 4K TV resolutions, how about we first try and get TV providers to actually give us 1080p signals and video games that actually render in 1080p.
Then, after a few years of that, we can start discussing 4K TVs. Until then, lol.
Considering the PS3's UI is already 1080p, I don't think you have anything to worry about there.
Before anyone goes about discussing 4K TV resolutions, how about we first try and get TV providers to actually give us 1080p signals and video games that actually render in 1080p.
Then, after a few years of that, we can start discussing 4K TVs. Until then, lol.
Considering the PS3's UI is already 1080p, I don't think you have anything to worry about there.
oh yeah. I'm thinking more of Xbox really.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
You can thank film industry for that.
phosphor112
Banned
Yep, RED cameras are 4k and 5k.
Shadow2222
Member
Technically, while you are right about 3D not catching on, the fact is that it will definitely live on, because 4k TVs, by nature, are all compatible with 3D due to their refresh rates.
Yes I totally agree with this post. Most people want cheap DVD's and see no reason for Blu-Ray. There are people that unless they are watching a really crappy TV broadcast they don't know for sure if they are watching a HD channel.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
PS4 will be able to play 4k blurays (like this $250 player), everything but the most graphically simple games will still be 1080p and below.
Not shocking.
Not shocking.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yep, anyone thinking that we'll see Gran Turismo 7 at 4K is not thinking clearly. The only 4K games we ever have a hope of seeing on PS4 are those equivalent to Sound Shapes, etc.
the only post needed in this thread.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Maastricht
Member
Is that necessary though? Current 3D BluRay is basically the same amount of data as a 2D 4k Bluray would be? Or do they want to do 3D 4k as well ...
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Ok now I am convinced there are people here just choosing not to get it so they can carry on the Sony is dumb discourse.
3D 1080p is 1/2 of the amount of data of needed for a 4k.