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Brand new Xbox One will not even boot if you dont have internet connection
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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Discs were probably being pressed weeks ago
So, one games console being able to play games out of the box is in a similar enough situation to one that can't? That in itself should tell you how ridiculous this statement is:
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MS has gone ahead and made a big deal over how internet is no longer required for the Xbox one. That's false advertising given the recent info. No issues there?
What's so bizarre is this "I'm fine, so fuck everyone else" mentality that you have going.
Well I don't think there are many people saddened by this news yet, I also think the majority of posts in this thread, saying this would be an issue weren't particularly complaining at MS, simply stating it's going to e a troublesome first day for retail.
Personally this doesn't affect me but for people to say this affects no one really does annoy me as it comes across very selfish, There will be uninformed parents returning these on day one, consumers are not informed, as noted in this thread, customers ask for mario games on the PS3, they will not know about this.
These customers who are uninformed cannot be lost by the games industry though, we are a minority group of hardcore gamers and without these uninformed customers, publishers and platform holders would go bankrupt and we would have only iOS games.
I would not say it is totally the consumers fault considering this is the first time EVER that a gaming console (despite MS push to market this as a living room media appliance etc. . .most people see the XBox1 as primarily a gaming console), would not run without first connecting to the Internet and downloading a rather large patch.
Due to the history of gaming consoles I do not think it a big stretch for people to assume they could just buy one, plug it in and start playing a game. There is no way MS is not going to be feeling a lot of heat from the average consumer this year.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Were people this reasonable when the Wiiu had their day one update.
Of course not.
People want a complete product when they spend a lot of money regardless if the company does or doesn't have their shit together.
No one wants a delay in getting to the "fun"
Especially a mandatory delay.
ginger ninja
Banned
Wut..i had pakistan in mind, if u think people here are pissed about possible issues for US consumers than outside US is a whole different level of pain..
Also what is going on in this thread
This is the FIRST gaming console that requires an Internet connection in order to function. You're using your previous knowledge of sports cars to determine functionality. Well, if we do the very same thing with gaming consoles....
Speaking of which: I'm surprised that Microsoft hasn't run some sort of ad campaign to inform the public of such a drastic departure from the norm.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
You're going to compare Nintendo's ability to offer updates to Microsofts?
http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-day-one-u...t-dev-kits-identical-to-retail-units-and-more
Finally, Linder clarified that Microsoft would work hard to ensure that the Day One updates set-up process is smooth unlike, say, the Wii Us set-up. The Wii U was shit at launch because of: Wi-Fi issues took many users a long time to set up as it was broken; On-screen notifications Telling you it had downloaded, how much, time outs etc. Crap; Download speed Awful speeds meant it took forever.
The same wont be the case with the Xbox One. MS are a software company and theyll be working hard to ensure this is a smooth process. I am actually more concerned that PSN will fall apart when I am downloading the 300 MB update.
This will be the real test for Microsoft, how well there infrastructure holds up since so much of where the XBox One can shine is through how it connects online. They keep talking about the cloud and 300,000 servers so we will see how it all matters.
Oh I'm sure there will be some hiccups and then the world will end once again on here. Microsoft knows not every XBox 360 out there is even connected to this day. What I want to know is how the military for the U.S are going to have there systems ready?
I'm fine so fuck everyone else mentality? You purchase what you want, nobody is forcing anybody to buy what they don't want. That's the the bottom line. Bitching about a limitation you don't have to live with is beyond stupidity. You don't have the capabilities for sufficient internet, there are other options, such as the PS4 you stated.
There is no reason to bash Microsoft for providing an update that also initially removes DRM, something they told the public they would remove.
Yea, so what Mattrick said is still true. Looks like for them the 360 it is. Can you play the PS4 without an internet connection?
ginger ninja
Banned
Now you mention it,i am dumb founded that even if the patch removes the intially announced drm, Microsoft had atleast 4 months since the 180, surely that's enough time to patch in system updates on x1's sitting on assembley lines ready to be shipped ?
U can't say it was too late because heck i remember hearing them talking about upgrading final hardware up to two months ago
jordan0386
Member
In the boondocks of the world, sure,
TheContact
Member
I thought knect wasnt required
Logistics.
I'm guessing because by implementing an update, they could have time to fine tune other things so that the console doesn't ship out as something much worse because you know, Microsoft and people bitching go hand in hand.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I remember seeing statistics no more than a year ago that showed about only half of this generation's consoles had ever been connected online.
I think it was something like 75% of 360s, a little less of PS3s, and much less of Wiis.
Caayn
Member
True, the same can be said for the iPhone/iPad. At some point in time it became a requirement for you to activate your device via the internet in order to use it. So the majority of the people who bought such a phone/tablet went out and bought it with the assumption that they could just use it right out of the box. Which wasn't true, similar to the situation of the Xbox One. It wasn't a major problem for mobiles/tablets when they started to require internet activation years ago, and I highly doubt that it is going to be a major problem for game console(s) to require internet activation in 2013.
...said Adam Orth before being fired.
Anyway, first of all I don't see how PS4 has anything to do with this, because even if Sony was in a similar or equal situation, that doesn't magically make Microsoft right. If anything they'd be both wrong. Having to add PS4 into the equation, screams "console wars soldier", it's not a matter of PS4 being better than XO, it's a matter of Microsoft being anti-consumer in too many practices. The "war" should be between consumers and megacorporations, not between consumers.
There's no reason for a console which should perfectly work offline, to have to forcibly connect to the internet, even if once. They should have put the patch on the discs or offered some other way to get it, or even post-poned the launch to remove the need for the patch.
Lastly, the PS4 argument doesn't stand anyway, you can play games on it without a patch, the thing which is central to a game console, moreover you can use an USB drive to patch the system, without ever having to go online, as shown by the FAQ.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Two threads means double the amount of people who don't have the ability to update there new systems.
TheContact
Member
Ipads are portable. Anyone who doesnt have wifi can go to any free wifi spot and download updates. Try bringing your xbox and tv to starbucks
No, that's worldwide, around half of 360's have been online, around 40% of PS3's and I would assume an even smaller amount of Wii's.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Apparently, the Day One update wont be on any game discs. I worked on a launch game for Xbox One (and PS4) and there is no FW [firmware] update on our disc. The game was finished before the FW, they will still be finishing up with it. He further clarified that the update is not on any game discs because, they are submitted before the final OS is ready.
Linder also answered the question as to whether the dev kits were the same as the retail units. Yep, identical. The devkits dont even have any more RAM than retail consoles, most unusual. Does that mean retail PS4 units can act as debug units like the Xbox One? Well have to wait and see but you can rest assured that the graphical performance of games is identical between the dev kits and retail units.
As stated, the Xbox One will require its Day One update and cant do much of anything without it (according to Albert Penello). There still seems to be some confusion regarding it, and Linder took the time to say that, The Xbox One does not ship with an OS. The end. So theres your reason for why it requires the update. Intriguing and confusing at the same time.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Why do people still not realize that the majority of the world's internet infrastructure is still shit?
You're going to compare Nintendo's ability to offer updates to Microsofts?
http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-day-one-u...t-dev-kits-identical-to-retail-units-and-more
Finally, Linder clarified that Microsoft would work hard to ensure that the Day One updates set-up process is smooth unlike, say, the Wii Us set-up. The Wii U was shit at launch because of: Wi-Fi issues took many users a long time to set up as it was broken; On-screen notifications Telling you it had downloaded, how much, time outs etc. Crap; Download speed Awful speeds meant it took forever.
The same wont be the case with the Xbox One. MS are a software company and theyll be working hard to ensure this is a smooth process. I am actually more concerned that PSN will fall apart when I am downloading the 300 MB update.
This will be the real test for Microsoft, how well there infrastructure holds up since so much of where the XBox One can shine is through how it connects online. They keep talking about the cloud and 300,000 servers so we will see how it all matters.
Oh I'm sure there will be some hiccups and then the world will end once again on here. Microsoft knows not every XBox 360 out there is even connected to this day. What I want to know is how the military for the U.S are going to have there systems ready?
As for the military, this is now a solvable problem, they could be updated before sale, whether or not that is feasible is another question but the previous DRM was impossible as it was a daily check, but a once off is certainly plausible to be solved, but not Ideal.
Isn't that subjective though? I'm not saying you're wrong. 75% of all 360's? I find that reasonable considering XBL is a major selling point.
But we're talking about the Wii and Internet. Oh boy. There was no need and people stayed away from Playstation online regardless until the later years.
What developed countries have poor internet?
I'm not being sarcastic, I ask this as a legitimate question.
Daffy Duck
Member
And for those people we already have a product, it's called Xbox 360.
There wasn't a major problem because people didn't consider the the change significant. Compare that to how people reacted to the Xbox One.
And as someone already mentioned, the iPads/iPhones are portable. By and large, needing to find an Internet connection (if need be) won't nearly be as difficult as finding one for your console.
Green Yoshi
Member
Dito. We "hardcore-gamers" are not the center of the world. My brother never connected his Xbox 360 with the internet, he's just not interested in it. Furthermore it's the old one (but repaired) without WLAN support. And I know enough people on gaming boards that never connected their consoles to the internet.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
This brings up another point, will future shipments down the road also require a mandatory update just to do anything or will they finally be built in? If they are then only the first few million of people will have systems that will require the update to function. Out of those I expect very few won't have internet access or the inability to set up the system at a friends or relatives that have a connection.
jordan0386
Member
The need for lending and borrowing with friends was significant. Go to their house...
The Cowboy
Member
I just hope games stores/places selling the console make dam well sure people buying the console know they require internet, otherwise stores could get bombarded with returns..
This could be HL2 all over again IMO (only much much worse), I remember back then (at least in my town) games stores got loads of returns because they hadn't been told at purchase that they needed internet (a tiny label on the back of the box doesn't cut it).
Stores will need a display on the counters/Xbox one section stating "you REQUIRE an internet connected to be able to use this console".
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Just because we know the console needs the internet to run, doesn't mean average Joe public will know.
This could be HL2 all over again IMO (only much much worse), I remember back then (at least in my town) games stores got loads of returns because they hadn't been told at purchase that they needed internet (a tiny label on the back of the box doesn't cut it).
Stores will need a display on the counters/Xbox one section stating "you REQUIRE an internet connected to be able to use this console".
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Just because we know the console needs the internet to run, doesn't mean average Joe public will know.
razgriz417
Member
You can bet Best Buy knows about the day 1 patches and will sell service plans to help you set it up lol
Green Yoshi
Member
The iPad makes little sense without an internet connection. Where do you want get the apps without it? And I guess it is sufficient to connect it with iTunes on your PC that has an internet connection.
I was alluding to the US's dismal residential internet compared to other countries.
What's going on? Nothing really. Another reason to complain so here we are..
To comment on the thread, I wouldn't be able to play the XO right now if I got it and tried to where I stayed this weekend (NYC, only have mobile service).
So it is a legitimate issue.
Last I saw, 60% of 360s use Live, and about 50% of those users pay for gold. The latter is from an old 2010 article though.
If those figures extrapolated out to today, thats 80m sold, 48m on live, and 24m Gold subs.
We have no idea how many PS+ subs there are as we've never got a number that wasn't just a percentage. Safe to assume it'll go up with the PS4 needing it for online though.
It's remarkable people don't realize how many people simply never used the online function of any of the systems last gen. It's a massive number. That was part of my perplexity regarding Microsoft's original strategy. I consistently wondered why they would risk giving up such a huge number of potential customers, for some shitty scheme nobody wanted anyway. I never got a good answer, only thought Microsoft must have felt the ways they would have screwed us would have allowed them to recoup those lost customers money elsewhere.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
That sounds an awful lot like the mandatory once every 24hour check-in they wanted. It should be worded differently, but yes, there needs to be some form of warning.
My country, there're still plenty of zones not covered.
But what you guys don't understand is that's beside the point. Even if the whole world had perfect internet connection, it would still be ridiculous and wrong.
Your TV doesn't need to connect to the internet to work, your stereo neither, your computer neither, your "dumb" phone neither, your fridge neither, etc.
Anything which requires to go online, even though it's not its main function, is dumb and anti-consumer.
The Cowboy
Member
Perhaps, "you REQUIRE a 1 time connection to the internet before you can use this console".
Heck, maybe stores can offer a service to customers without internet, by offering to connect them to the net while in the store to get the update?.
Lol.
Though I ask the thread this. Do some of you not see the internet as a evolutionary change for gaming? I see it that way, especially considering how Steam is rolling but here we have a thread complaining about the Xbox One. I wonder if we will get complaints about this Gen 9.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Oh boy. So which country are you in right now?
Marc Whitten tweet,
you RECUIR a 1 time conection to the internit before you can use this console
disastermouse
Banned
The United States has shitty internet in way too many areas.
UK?
I live in an well built, fairly populated area still awaiting fibre to be deployed. My download speed is 2mb. A lot of Dota 2 GAF also suffer from the same issue. Virgin Media don't give a shit about extending their coverage and BT are horrendously fucking slow to turn cabs on.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Anyone know the required speed the XBox One will need to get the update?
Me. I get at best a 1.5mbs and at worst 100kbs. It can also go out for days at a time with no satisfactory explanation from the provider. I live in the US by the way.
For the first 2 years I had my ps3 (starting in 2010 with infamous) I never connected online as I could not route an Ethernet to it. When I finally did it blew my mind. But yeah for two years I never connected.
I will say that I don't exactly know why this is news for a new thread since we already knew all this, but your sarcasm does you no service. It's not a good argument.
The price of an object has no barring whatsoever on whether a person should or should not have the internet to connect. What if they have the internet, but not the tools to wirelessly connect their Xbox One? What if they have the internet, but excrutiatingly slow speeds and it's a huge inconvenience to download 500mb? What if they simply saved up money over many months and spent it on the Xbox One, just wanting to play games and not realizing that it's different from any console that came before? Why does the price tag need to imply that these 'scoundrels' should be in some place where internet is guaranteed or desired?
I mean, you say 'read the disclaimer on the box.' Yes, we are all personally responsible to do such a thing, since education is the power of the consumer. But, we're humans. Many consumers who pick up the Xbox One probably aren't even picking it up for themselves - they're picking it up for their kids who requested it, or a family member for their birthday. These people aren't going to read the damned box. They're going to wrap it up and give it to the kids for Christmas and then be in for a rude surprise. They don't care about videogames so they never even stopped to consider a single implication of things like online connectivity. That whole subject may even be foreign to them.
The point is, there is an endless exhaustive array of scenarios in which a perfectly sensible consumer may stumble into 'surprise.' Why try to shove responsibility onto the consumer when we have a perfectly capable company who made this necessary because they originally went with a scheme that was going to fuck every consumer hard? That's the fault.