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Brand new Xbox One will not even boot if you dont have internet connection

Having to connect to the internet to even do a single thing with the console is shit no matter how you try to spin it. Yes, we've known about it for a while, but I'm not surprised at the real implications of this hitting people just now and getting them pissed off.
 
Alright, good point. I got zinged on that one.

As I said, I don't think this is a huge issue, but I think some people will make noise about it and get some attention. You can't go wrong underestimating how dumb people are.

But it won't last more than a day or two.

lol, we're all just having fun right

Yeah, I'm sure there will be a few people turned off by it and the best thing they can do is vote with their wallet and return it.

Me? I'm going to download shit until my HDD is full or TimeWarner shuts me down.
 
We'll hear from people in retail. And some of those people will post from where they have Internet access, like work or library.

And those people (more likely than not) will be able to use that internet access to download the update from the official site onto their USB flash drives as an alternate method.
 
I foresee a lot of disappointed kids on Christmas day. Unless they have the firmware update on discs by then.

You think so? Maybe my understanding of market dynamics is poor compared to yours but I'd imagine the kids getting $500+ Christmas presents generally belong in a household or family circle that is financially stable, in a launch country and very likely connected to an internet service based on the above factors.

I know I'm asking you to put together more than one variable so take your time to respond.
 
lol, we're all just having fun right

Yeah, I'm sure there will be a few people turned off by it and the best thing they can do is vote with their wallet and return it.

Me? I'm going to download shit until my HDD is full or TimeWarner shuts me down.

Yeah, I am no doubt very excited for the Xbox One as well. I am just aware that some people will indeed be affected early on and simply feel for them having to unsuspectingly run into such issues.
 
Those millions of gamers might not be an ongoing focus for MS.

As with any large firm, you perform ongoing trending and consumption analysis. If the numbers for MS show that it's the connected userbase that tend to consume the most content and in turn proves to be the most profitable for the company, they'll naturally cater to that userbase.

And yes, there is a large delta between the landscape in 2013 vs what it was in 2005 with regards to connectivity. Seeing that the console will likely last 5+ years, it's very safe to assume that the proliferation of the internet will continue, the console and it's services will continue to cater towards the connected user.

If MS wants to fire a segment of their customer base with the justification that by not catering to them, their potential in an untapped userbase improves dramatically and can be economically viable, then it's completely upto them to make that decision. You as a consumer can either support that vision or find an alternative (of which there are).

Your points here are much more relatable imo.

Because yes, of course MORE people will connect online this gen than they did last gen. And yes, of course the landscape is different with regards to connectivity now. And you're absolutely right, Microsoft can cater to whatever market they like.

I am simply pushing back against the idea that this should be an expectation of videogame consoles now. Every single videogame system ever so far has not had that requirement, and last gen 32 million people still did not connect to XBL, to say nothing of PS3 and Wii (100 million users vs. a fraction of that being online). That a consumer would walk into the store and be a little surprised at what they bring home in this case is no big stretch. And that we should push back against such requirements is also not in question, as we've seen the community unite behind the issue.

And we actually do have a decent indicator. Wii U is connected to the internet by 80% of its extremely hardcore ownership base. So, if those number trends were to continue for PS4 and Xbox One, that's still a massive percentage of people who refuse to connect online.

Microsoft can refuse to cater to them and lose those customers, but since they don't exist in a vacuum, that's extremely stupid. That said, you are right that they are well within their rights to make such a system. It's just strategically dumb, since even in a system that allows you to connect offline, there's nothing stopping the same amount of people who wanted the online functionality from supporting the ecosystem as extensively as they would have anyway.
 
It'll be a bumpy launch, but it's one of those things that won't matter for either platform in a few months.

They're not going to ship every console in its lifetime without an OS.
 
Well, I don't mind. I'm not getting one for quite some time, so maybe in 2-3 years from now they'll have bundled it with the latest update. I just can't see myself buying one at it's current state.
 
This is so messed up. They need to include a disc for this. They can't just assume that everyone have internet, have an ethernet outlet nearby or have wifi. Even letting GameStop or other stores help out is not enough for those that live far away from those stores. I hope for MS's sake that this is just for the first launch batch.
 
Exactly. Blaming the consumer is lame.

Do you blame blizzard for not making a World of Warcraft offline version ? There is plenty of product out there will not work without an internet connectivity.

The Xbox One has been marketed for people who have internet. Without it, the console kind loses a lot of its functionality. Its a modern approach to console gaming. Shit, I remember having that argument when the first xbox launch :

" Not everyone has broadband access was the argument. What about dial-up ? FU MST."

I just think you guys are looking for any arguments possible to hate on the Xbox One or Microsoft.

Note : I have both console pre-order before anyone call me a shill.
 
He is kind of right though guys, if you're going to be spending a bit of money on something you SHOULD research it before buying it.

The problem is, is that most average consumers doesn't view something like gaming messageboards (such as this one), or to look up info for consoles religiously like we do.

And this is certainly going to upset people that buys this console & doesn't have a internet connection at all.
 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before, but I'm sure large retailers like Best Buy would offer to update your console for free if you're standing there at customer service with a receipt demanding a refund.
 
Well, I don't mind. I'm not getting one for quite some time, so maybe in 2-3 years from now they'll have bundled it with the latest update. I just can't see myself buying one at it's current state.

Well, the guy who got one early downloaded the update and everything seemed to work great. I'll be waiting as well, but at least there is that.
 
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Hmm, ass storm has arrived? Not sure if this is severe enough.

It's definitely a "hot topic" that MS will want to influence perceptions on. Wonder if we'll see any media posting articles supporting this decision, lol. "It's not a big deal, we all have internet these days."

Should be a lot of astroturfer posts too if there are any of them left...
 
Every single videogame system ever so far has not had that requirement.

Ouya, OnLive Microconsole.

This isn't the first time and it's not something that'll go away because gamers stomp their feet. Steam Machines will almost certainly have this requirement too. The big issue here is Microsoft could not figure out any way to make it work for consumers, rather than against them. They couldn't even align it well enough to merely be inoffensive.
 
Whats with this false outrage? Everyone in this thread has internet. I'm pretty sure it says internet connection required outside of the box, and I'm willing to bet the ps4 will also require a day one update. Yeah it sucks that it wont do anything else but you know you can just go to a friends house and set it up. And if you're buying a $500 console and don't have internet you need to get your priorities straight.

Over the last month, I've had two instances of my Internet being out for nearly a week. If that happened at launch you'd be left with a brick until your Internet came back on. Even those that have Internet have problems. We can still post on our phones etc, but I wouldn't want to tether my phone to download a 500MB OS update
 
Do you blame blizzard for not making a World of Warcraft offline version ? There is plenty of product out there will not work without an internet connectivity.

The Xbox One has been marketed for people who have internet. Without it, the console kind loses a lot of its functionality. Its a modern approach to console gaming. Shit, I remember having that argument when the first xbox launch :

" Not everyone has broadband access was the argument. What about dial-up ? FU MST."

I just think you guys are looking for any arguments possible to hate on the Xbox One or Microsoft.

Note : I have both console pre-order before anyone call me a shill.

That's only part of the issue. Internet should be optional, not mandatory. I have super fast Internet. That doesn't mean I'm going to fall in line with Microsoft's plan to make me connect to it.
 
Over the last month, I've had two instances of my Internet being out for nearly a week. If that happened at launch you'd be left with a brick until your Internet came back on. Even those that have Internet have problems. We can still post on our phones etc, but I wouldn't want to tether my phone to download a 500MB OS update
This. I had no internet for three months this summer. Just an example.
 
Over the last month, I've had two instances of my Internet being out for nearly a week. If that happened at launch you'd be left with a brick until your Internet came back on. Even those that have Internet have problems. We can still post on our phones etc, but I wouldn't want to tether my phone to download a 500MB OS update

Two instance over which period of time ? I work for an ISP. Our customer are barely out of service for a day. In most cases. Maybe its time you switch provider ?
 
That's only part of the issue. Internet should be optional, not mandatory.

Says who? Why can it not just be the case that you're not in the market for an online-only console? Why can't Microsoft try it and fail it and everyone learn from it? What is this bizarre conservatism that pervades our hobby?
 
Over the last month, I've had two instances of my Internet being out for nearly a week. If that happened at launch you'd be left with a brick until your Internet came back on. Even those that have Internet have problems. We can still post on our phones etc, but I wouldn't want to tether my phone to download a 500MB OS update

So in a month's time you were without internet for 2 weeks? That sounds like a bigger issue to complain about/address than whether some game console requires an internet connection.
 
That's only part of the issue. Internet should be optional, not mandatory.

That's the price to pay to get a console early. Really. The PS4 is no different. Major functionality of the console are not available without the patch. We get to enjoy the console early. The internet is the price to pay. I can live with that.
 
It's pretty shitty, but lets be honest the types of people that are buying consoles at launch aren't the kind of people that don't have internet, which is why this will likely be a non-story.
 
Ouya, OnLive Microconsole.

Hey how IS Ouya doing? I am pretty sure OnLive Microconsole is a different beast entirely, it's a streaming Cloud game system, but it too has set nothing on fire as far as I've seen.

But you're right, I forgot those systems existed. So Xbox One is the first videogame system anyone actually cares about that would have this requirement. And those examples of yours suggest that they should run away fast, if they want their system to have any shot at success. So the argument is not really fundamentally altered: consumers are STILL voting with their wallets against such an arrangement.

This isn't the first time and it's not something that'll go away because gamers stomp their feet. Steam Machines will almost certainly have this requirement too. The big issue here is Microsoft could not figure out any way to make it work for consumers, rather than against them. They couldn't even align it well enough to merely be inoffensive.

Except it did go away because gamers 'stomped their feet'. So far, every attempt at such a thing has either been a failure or has been so poorly received that it had to be changed.

Why do people keep trying to convince everyone that people are going to have to accept it? We don't. We never will.

That said, your final point is very true. On top of the regular issues, they still couldn't even find a way to make the digital always-online ecosystem attractive at all.
 
The problem is, is that most average consumers doesn't view something like gaming messageboards (such as this one) religiously like we do.

And this is certainly going to upset people that buys this console & doesn't have a internet connection at all.

Aren't there alternative research options other than just an esoteric gaming forum though?
 
That's the price to pay to get a console early. Really. The PS4 is no different. Major functionality of the console are not available without the patch. We get to enjoy the console early. The internet is the price to pay. I can live with that.
PS4 is different. You're not stuck with a brick until you can update.
 
"The console requires you connect to the internet?! This is total malarkey!"

5 min later:

"Man, I can't wait to play some CoD on Live"

....

I always find it amusing that the people complaining about things like this are usually the ones least likely to be impacted.

"But it's the principal of the matter"

*watches Boogie video on YouTube which you know....requires an internet connection*
 
That's only part of the issue. Internet should be optional, not mandatory. I have super fast Internet. That doesn't mean I'm going to fall in line with Microsoft's plan to make me connect to it.


Then why are you here?

MS is catering to folks like you.
 
That's the price to pay to get a console early. Really. The PS4 is no different. Major functionality of the console are not available without the patch. We get to enjoy the console early. The internet is the price to pay. I can live with that.
I bought an iPad Air on launch day, just a few days earlier the 7.0.3 update went live for phones and tablets, and iPad Air came with 7.0.3 preinstalled. What has MS been doing since the 180 that caused them to not being able to either have the patch preinstalled or have an install disc included?
 
That's the price to pay to get a console early. Really. The PS4 is no different. Major functionality of the console are not available without the patch. We get to enjoy the console early. The internet is the price to pay. I can live with that.

It's my understanding that you can play a game on the PS4 without ever having to connect to the Internet.

Why are you arguing about the DRM, its gone already. Let it go buddy. You need to move on.

Errr...I was asked about Microsoft's Internet requirement/online-only plan.
 
Hey how IS Ouya doing? I am pretty sure OnLive Microconsole is a different beast entirely, it's a streaming Cloud game system, but it too has set nothing on fire as far as I've seen.

But you're right, I forgot those systems existed. So Xbox One is the first videogame system anyone actually cares about that would have this requirement. And those examples of yours suggest that they should run away fast, if they want their system to have any shot at success. So the argument is not really fundamentally altered: consumers are STILL voting with their wallets against such an arrangement.

Except it did go away because gamers 'stomped their feet'. So far, every attempt at such a thing has either been a failure or has been so poorly received that it had to be changed.

Why do people keep trying to convince everyone that people are going to have to accept it? We don't. We never will.

That said, your final point is very true. On top of the regular issues, they still couldn't even find a way to make the digital always-online ecosystem attractive at all.

Those systems are what they are, but they exist, and more are coming. I'm not saying their success is inevitable, but their continued presence and a growing influence almost surely is.

The boring homogeny that MS have fought hard to fumble towards since E3 is an embarrassment for all of us. Our beying for it compounds that embarrassment. The victory would have been for them to play out their plan and we'd actually have information about what a digital future might actually entail instead of these hilarious dystopian nightmare fantasies.

Right now we have a PS4 and a gimped PS4 with slightly different games to choose from. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have seen a PS4 and a napalm fuelled train wreck that's actually it's own thing. The Xbox One serves no purpose right now and the only people that can be happy about that have their own ideas going on, I'm sure.
 
It's my understanding that you can play a game on the PS4 without ever having to connect to the Internet.



Errr...I was asked about Microsoft's Internet requirement/online-only plan.
Yes, you can even play a game while the patch is being downloaded and installed on PS4.
 
I would expect this to be a problem for very few day one buyers. Hopefully they get this fixed in the early months of 2014 for the casuals.
 
I am not sure why they can't patch the consoles themselves?

Is it because the consoles were already boxed and ready to be shipped at the time of the 180?

If so, it doesn't make much sense because I remember Microsoft saying not so long after the 180 that they overclocked the CPU or something like that, which I assumed isn't done with an update?
 
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