• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Brazilians say Brazil's World cup is already a failure

Status
Not open for further replies.
I was reading the other day that many of the stadiums built for south africa will be demolished cause there's no real use for them and maintenance costs are too high. Sigh.

They were apparently only built to host the games, and are too small to accommodate other popular sports in South Africa.
 
I've seen Fast 5, City of God and played Max Payne 3.

This WC is gonna be a disaster. Just like that one they had in Africa, oh boy...what mess that was..

...wait....no...huh..
 
10426875_1439386506319385_6281981707031842413_n.jpg


my thoughts and links related to the big picture in the description box.

'Match-fixing crisis' in football - BBC
www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/24159550

UEFA's president Michel Platini has said that if it continues, "football is dead."
The issue also affects a number of other sports across the world.
[1]

I'm hopeful. See also, The End Of Football

I understand what the picture implies, but i don't quite get the rest of this post
 

That's a funny logo for a sport where you're not supposed to hold the ball in your hands...
 
A Brazilian friend of mines has told me that the newspapers in Brazil are largely owned by the rich aristocracy who earned their riches under earlier military dictatorships in Brazil. They despise the current government who have made a greater effort to accomodate the poor populations of Brazil as it relates to healthcare and education. As such the media has been relentless in their criticism of the government with respect to the World Cup and everything else trying to gin up opposition to the government. Meanwhile Brazil has been spending far far more money on healthcare and education than they have been spending on World Cup stadiums, yet still the perception is otherwise.

Your friend is a brainwashed petista huh?
 
Pretty embarrassing. The olympics will also be a cluster fuck.

Another thing that sucks is that some teams will have huge disadvantages due to where they play and the amount of travel they will have to do. They should have concentrated the games in 1-2 regions. The teams that have to play in cities in the amazon are fucked compared to those that have games in the south.

There's also this:

 
Any high profile brazilian footballer against the world cup, or at least has said something in favour of the protesters.
 
It would prevent the government saying everything was worth it bc we won.


You must be from the southern part of the country. People from the south seem less connected to the selecaõ than their northern counterparts. I wonder how race plays a part in it. No doubt the pardos and blacks in the north feel a great pride for one part of the media most likely to look like them.
 
They were apparently only built to host the games, and are too small to accommodate other popular sports in South Africa.
Makes sense but I can't help but wonder, was it worth it? I mean someone had to pay for those stadiums, and it sure wasn't fifa.
 
You must be from the southern part of the country. People from the south seem less connected to the selecaõ than their northern counterparts. I wonder how race plays a part in it. No doubt the pardos and blacks in the north feel a great pride for one part of the media most likely to look like them.

You're saying this based on what? Would you consider Rio to be south or north?
 
How much of this is because they pledged to do both the World Cup and the Olympics at the same time? That's a type of commitment that is just unreasonable to make.
 
Makes sense but I can't help but wonder, was it worth it? I mean someone had to pay for those stadiums, and it sure wasn't fifa.

Well, no one should expect to break even. For many poor but developing countries, it is a chance for them to show the world and encourage public pride in their economic prosperity. But, even established cities can benefit if planned correctly and if finances are controlled. The city could get much needed renovation and expansion of aging public transportation, and road networks. And unlike in South Africa, usually the Stadium if new, or newly renovated, can continue to be used to host other games well into the future. For well developed cities, its also can be one of the few times that they have good reason to appropriate private property that worked well a few hundred years ago; but can now better service the whole city as a thoroughfare.
 
A Brazilian friend of mines has told me that the newspapers in Brazil are largely owned by the rich aristocracy who earned their riches under earlier military dictatorships in Brazil. They despise the current government who have made a greater effort to accomodate the poor populations of Brazil as it relates to healthcare and education. As such the media has been relentless in their criticism of the government with respect to the World Cup and everything else trying to gin up opposition to the government. Meanwhile Brazil has been spending far far more money on healthcare and education than they have been spending on World Cup stadiums, yet still the perception is otherwise.

Also, to understand how much "we are fucked up" ...

Brazil is behind only TREE countries in the % of the Gross Domestic Product dedicated to education .... and we have one of the big news company saying "Brazil dedicates ONLY 10% of GDP to education"

The country is not that bad ... we are at our best, which includes fighting against the corruption.

Before we had LOTS of corruption ... and nobody was caught.
Today we have lots of news about corruption, which makes people think there is more corruption =P

Also, the cost of the stadiums are NOTHING compared to what we spend with health and education (public healthcare here)

...the stadiums are fucked

This is true. Sure, Brasil isn't doing too bit but what other Latin American countries have performed such a turnaround? Outside of Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador I can't think of any.
 
Submarino ConversĂ­vel;114947158 said:
Your friend is a brainwashed petista huh?

Dunno what a petista is, much less a brainwashed version is. Don't have a dog in this fight; just reporting what was said to me. What would you say my friend was incorrect on?
 
SĂŁo Paulo is one of the most overpopulated cities with one of the weakest public transit system in relation.

There is a distance of 4 kilometers between my house and work, and the bus takes 2 hours to get there, transit in this city is really fucked up, and violent crimes too.
 
every country has articles like this just before the world cup. South africa, babies were going to be eaten, stadiums would burn down, blah blah blah. There's always someone ready to predict the big disaster.

My prediction, they get a lot of money and it's good for the local economy. the criminals won't fuck with the tourists much because they're not stupid either.
 
Yes, things are pretty bad. And it will only get worse. But I like this, people now are actually seeing what this country really is like. Lula and his 'team' made people look at Brazil with different eyes... but not necessarily seeing the truth.

This government is such a joke. There's a stadium in Amazonas which cost like US$400 million to build, and the place doesn't even have a single professional team. I mean... what's the point? In an underdeveloped country like this, spend such a huge amount of money just to host 2 or 3 games for this event, and then what?
 
every country has articles like this just before the world cup. South africa, babies were going to be eaten, stadiums would burn down, blah blah blah. There's always someone ready to predict the big disaster.

My prediction, they get a lot of money and it's good for the local economy. the criminals won't fuck with the tourists much because they're not stupid either.

I don't understand the logic behind this, criminals here are smart enought to make their way to take advantage from tourist and the local population, increase of police force will not change this, corruption in the police is not small here.
 
This government is such a joke. There's a stadium in Amazonas which cost like US$400 million to build, and the place doesn't even have a single professional team. I mean... what's the point? In an underdeveloped country like this, spend such a huge amount of money just to host 2 or 3 games for this event, and then what?

Don't forget the stadiums in Cuiabá, Natal and Brasília too.
 
I wonder if this is somehow related to people getting better and better tech. Not as much need to actually go there. Same with Sochi, why freeze yourself when you can stream it.
 
Yes, things are pretty bad. And it will only get worse. But I like this, people now are actually seeing what this country really is like. Lula and his 'team' made people look at Brazil with different eyes... but not necessarily seeing the truth.

This government is such a joke. There's a stadium in Amazonas which cost like US$400 million to build, and the place doesn't even have a single professional team. I mean... what's the point? In an underdeveloped country like this, spend such a huge amount of money just to host 2 or 3 games for this event, and then what?

It was $250 million and will host four games before becoming a relic to mock.
 
Dunno what a petista is, much less a brainwashed version is. Don't have a dog in this fight; just reporting what was said to me. What would you say my friend was incorrect on?


He's a supporter of the current government party.

His speech reeks of the default "the media is evil and only tells lies" argument that they love to use.

In what area does he work, if you don't mind me asking?
 
Being a brazilian i can confirm this WC is the first non-interesting soccer event in quite sometime, there are almost no flags, t-shirts, streets painted with the flag while compared to previous WC's. (At least in my city)

Add that plus the political shitstorm the country is facing, Brazil just isn't ready to host a WC.
 
cost-of-world-cup.png


cost-of-olympic-games.png


Edit: I think those stats are not entirely correct...I know the WC in Germany was more expensive for example.
 
Being a brazilian i can confirm this WC is the first non-interesting soccer event in quite sometime, there are almost no flags, t-shirts, streets painted with the flag while compared to previous WC's. (At least in my city)

Add that plus the political shitstorm the country is facing, Brazil just isn't ready to host a WC.

Last two WC were the same, if I remember correctly. The last WC that I rembember really supporting and decorated streets was the 2002 WC.
 
Submarino ConversĂ­vel;114970672 said:
Last two WC were the same, if I remember correctly. The last WC that I rembember really supporting and decorated streets was the 2002 WC.

Still there was way more hype for the previous WC's than this one
 
Damn, Vancouver pinched some muthafuckin pennies. Good on them.

edit: I think the "cost of major sporting event vs amount of government corruption" graph would explain these results nicely

To be fair rich countries often already have most of the infrastructure in place, while poorer countries or non-football countries use it to boost their infrastructure. A good example would be the WC in Germany, which was rather cheap.

Regarding Vancouver, winter olympics are cheaper than summer olympics ;-)
 
Submarino ConversĂ­vel;114970672 said:
Last two WC were the same, if I remember correctly. The last WC that I rembember really supporting and decorated streets was the 2002 WC.

Germany was cool as shit, plus, Italy won.
 
I love my brazilian friends, and many have their heart in the right place but I think they need a reality check. Let's say the US won hosting the cup all those years ago and it was being celebrated there, this is the number of hospitals and schools besides those already built that would have been built with that "extra" money here in Brazil in this time span.

Zero.

And that "extra" money? it would not exist. Investors wouldn't have put money into anything, the country's own money stolen by corruption would have been... stolen by corruption. Also, you would be waving your national flag and would be crazy about watching your team or even planning to go to this hypothetical US cup.

Admit it, you are hating the cup because it is the cool thing to do right now. The actual time to protest was a long time ago, you are as late as your corrupt politicians, your police and the stadium's constructions themselves. Maybe the problem is not just the politicians, just a thought. /rant







That's a funny logo for a sport where you're not supposed to hold the ball in your hands...

The whole thing does annoy me a little but I found this parody of the logo hilarious.

como-foi-criado-o-logo-da-copa.jpg


From left to right:
tourist arrives to Rio, crowded airports and traffic jams, high prices/exploitation/fraud/cons, prostitution/drug trafficking/ assaults and robbery, world cup!

The original is probably funnier if you are a soccer fan. I do not know those names.
 
A Brazilian friend of mines has told me that the newspapers in Brazil are largely owned by the rich aristocracy who earned their riches under earlier military dictatorships in Brazil. They despise the current government who have made a greater effort to accomodate the poor populations of Brazil as it relates to healthcare and education. As such the media has been relentless in their criticism of the government with respect to the World Cup and everything else trying to gin up opposition to the government. Meanwhile Brazil has been spending far far more money on healthcare and education than they have been spending on World Cup stadiums, yet still the perception is otherwise.

He's not wrong at all.
 
Submarino ConversĂ­vel;114967543 said:
He's a supporter of the current government party.

His speech reeks of the default "the media is evil and only tells lies" argument that they love to use.

In what area does he work, if you don't mind me asking?

Medical research.
 
Like the Beijing Olympics, South Africa World Cup, Delhi Commonwealth Games, Sochi Winter Olympics, etc etc (really any big event in the developing world), there will be tons of media focus on all the problems, and then no one will care once the actual games have started.

I don't think that's unique to the developing world. I remember a lot of similar reports in the run up to London 2012. And then, surprising even us, it turned out we weren't shit.
 
I think things can end up being okay since not many tourists will come, flights and hotels are expensive as hell and it's a dangerous place to be, I'm not expecting huge crowds. Most people will stay home. I read that something around 80% of the tickets were sold to Brazilians too. It could be manageable.
 
I don't think that's unique to the developing world. I remember a lot of similar reports in the run up to London 2012. And then, surprising even us, it turned out we weren't shit.

Reminds me of Mitt Romney talking shit about the London Olympics.

What a tool.
 
Being a brazilian i can confirm this WC is the first non-interesting soccer event in quite sometime, there are almost no flags, t-shirts, streets painted with the flag while compared to previous WC's. (At least in my city)

Add that plus the political shitstorm the country is facing, Brazil just isn't ready to host a WC.
Do you think the atmosphere surrounding the event will change once the tournament starts? Or if your national team does well and win their games etc
 
Yes, it is a failure already and I hope it sours Brasil's image for a very long time, this government deserves it. Unfortunately it will not be enough to make the people change their minds, since even though after all this ruckus the current government still has a high probability of winning this year's election with a large margin. We get what we deserve.

Do you think the atmosphere surrounding the event will change once the tournament starts? Or if your national team does well and win their games etc

EDIT: Not directed to me but I think so, if the team ends up winning then most of the people will forget that anything happened, which is sad. It has already happened last year with the Confederations Cup.
 
After reading that Guardian article a couple months ago, I have no idea why countries even bother competing to host this thing.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom