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Rand Paul is campaigning for Steve King for this November's bi-election.
Steve King will campaign for Rand Paul for GOP nominee in Iowa 2 years from now
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BREAKING: Rand Paul chokes on freedom
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Rand Paul is campaigning for Steve King for this November's bi-election.
Steve King will campaign for Rand Paul for GOP nominee in Iowa 2 years from now
SteveWinwood
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if you cant face your constituents with a simple answer about legislation you do or dont support
you arent particularly articulate or intelligent, or maybe simply bad at your job
"gotcha questions" are things made up by idiots who believe that getting someone to admit their dumb is underhanded
you arent particularly articulate or intelligent, or maybe simply bad at your job
"gotcha questions" are things made up by idiots who believe that getting someone to admit their dumb is underhanded
Rand Paul is campaigning for Steve King for this November's bi-election.
Steve King will campaign for Rand Paul for GOP nominee in Iowa 2 years from now
So the risk is worth the reward?
If Rand Paul is unwilling or unable to defend his positions to the people it'll likely affect, then that, in it itself, is pretty damn stupid. Also it shows a lack of empathy and ignorance.
You're just mad he didn't take the bait.
SteveWinwood
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You're just mad he didn't take the bait.
what bait
The Librarian
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You're just mad he didn't take the bait.
Am I? I thought him choking on his food when he heard the word "Dreamer," then getting up to leave is pretty damn funny. I'm more than satisfied.
If Rand Paul is unwilling or unable to defend his positions to the people it'll likely affect, then that, in it itself, is pretty damn stupid. Also it shows a lack of empathy and ignorance.
That isn't proof that he is unwilling to defend his position. It is proof that he won't defend it when blindsided while eating lunch and with cameras being present and when he has no idea who he is even talking to. A respectable scenario would involve asking him or asking when they could have a discussion before simply recording him. If he was unwilling to ever make time for it, then the statement would be true.
gutter_trash
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So the risk is worth the reward?
Rand Paul wants to make gains in Iowa for 2016, and who better to help him at the starting line than a looney bin Representative from Iowa
Ol No Bones
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His constituents aren't illegal immigrants.if you cant face your constituents with a simple answer about legislation you do or dont support
you arent particularly articulate or intelligent, or maybe simply bad at your job
"gotcha questions" are things made up by idiots who believe that getting someone to admit their dumb is underhanded
That isn't proof that he is unwilling to defend his position. It is proof that he won't defend it when blindsided while eating lunch and with cameras being present and when he has no idea who he is even talking to. A respectable scenario would involve asking him or asking when they could have a discussion before simply recording him. If he was unwilling to ever make time for it, then the statement would be true.
I like how that human existing and speaking to them is "blindsiding." I bet her entire life up until then was a plot by Democrats to make Paul look bad.
I like how that human existing and speaking to them is blindsided. I bet her entire life up until then was a plot by Democrats to make Paul look bad.
Nah, her life is obviously worthless besides being a political trap for people against the Dream act. Everything going as planned.
That isn't proof that he is unwilling to defend his position. It is proof that he won't defend it when blindsided while eating lunch and with cameras being present and when he has no idea who he is even talking to.
Welcome to politics?
Handling constituents who come up to you at events that you organize in order to encourage people to come and give you money for free is literally the baseline job description for an American senator. (Sadly.)
I like how that human existing and speaking to them is blindsided. I bet her entire life up until then was a plot by Democrats to make Paul look bad.
What? If you're eating, and somebody who you do not know comes out of nowhere and starts a big argument with you, it isn't wrong to say you were blindsided. I didn't say the democratic party blindsided him. I'm saying she did, under her own agency.
What? If you're eating, and somebody who you do not know comes out of nowhere and starts a big argument with you, it isn't wrong to say you were blindsided. I didn't say the democratic party blindsided him. I'm saying she did, under her own agency.
Why was there a camera crew there filming the interaction? My lunches aren't usually filmed.
The guy's a politician in a public spotlight. He should be able to discuss his positions without feeling blindsided.
Thanks for the reply. So why is campaigning for this bigot? Even if it's something he believes in, doesn't it offer too much risk?
The Iowa caucuses are the first major steps in choosing a presidential nominee. It's no surprise he would be campaigning in that state. And getting the favor of Steve King, who is popular with the conservative voters is beneficial to him.
Welcome to politics?
Handling constituents who come up to you at events that you organize in order to encourage people to come and give you money for free is literally the baseline job description for an American senator. (Sadly.)
I believe politicians have an obligation to answer to their constituents. Two things though.
1. Those two are not his constituents as illegal immigrants, so you can't really argue that he's failing to fulfill his role if he chooses to not have that discussion.
2. I don't believe that means constituents get to control when and where that discussion is had. It's unrealistic to expect a politician to stop what they are doing under the obligation of answering to every single one of a constituent's demands.
Why was there a camera crew there filming the interaction? My lunches aren't usually filmed.
The guy's a politician in a public spotlight. He should be able to discuss his positions without feeling blindsided.
Politicians are humans. Just because they should be able to because of what their job puts on them, doesn't mean they are able to do so.
Politicians are humans. Just because they should be able to because of what their job puts on them, doesn't mean they are able to do so.
Then eat in private?
what bait
No matter what Rand Paul did at that moment, whether get up and leave, engage the woman in conversation, give a speech to the room to avoid speaking with her 1-on-1 ... no matter what he did there was going to be an article on nymag.com trying to make him look bad for how he handled it. That's what the whole setup was, Catch-22 politics. He probably took the best path out of it, just like Elizabeth Warren probably took the best path out of the situation in that YT video I linked a few comments back.
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The Librarian
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I like how that human existing and speaking to them is "blindsiding." I bet her entire life up until then was a plot by Democrats to make Paul look bad.
Don't take the bait!
Then eat in private?
Or they can simply choose to decline a conversation at a particular moment like any other human being can.
Technosteve
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That girl's not american, how dare she dream. That's reserved for True Americans TM
SteveWinwood
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why cant he engage her in conversationNo matter what Rand Paul did at that moment, whether get up and leave, engage the woman in conversation, give a speech to the room to avoid speaking with her 1-on-1 ... no matter what he did there was going to be an article on nymag.com trying to make him look bad for how he handled it. That's what the whole setup was, Catch-22 politics. He probably took the best path out of it, just like Elizabeth Warren probably took the best path out of the situation in that YT video I linked a few comments back.
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what would he say that would embarrass himself
someone above already said he supports a legal process to make her a citizen
'yo i hope you become a citizen someday'
Ol No Bones
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There is a flaw at the very foundation of the dream act. There is no way to possibly know whether someone is a dreamer. Every illegal alien from every corner of the world can claim they are dreamers and there is no way to verify whether that was truthful or not.
why cant he engage her in conversation
what would he say that would embarrass himself
someone above already said he supports a legal process to make her a citizen
'yo i hope you become a citizen someday'
Because if he says he agrees with her, he would isolate his heavily white anti undocumented immigrant supporters. If he reverses and says he doesn't support them really then he isolates hispanics and any chance of a potential presidential bid. He's in a lose-lose situation, so the only option left to save himself is to..run away.
No matter what Rand Paul did at that moment, whether get up and leave, engage the woman in conversation, give a speech to the room to avoid speaking with her 1-on-1 ... no matter what he did there was going to be an article on nymag.com trying to make him look bad for how he handled it. That's what the whole setup was, Catch-22 politics. He probably took the best path out of it, just like Elizabeth Warren probably took the best path out of the situation in that YT video I linked a few comments back.
The implication behind this is that readers will be equally outraged by his actions regardless of what they are as long as an article is written about them. This fleeing was funny but isn't anything hugely significant. If he had given a tirade about how people need to go back to where they came from, an article on that would upset people more because it would actually matter more.
There definitely is something to be said about coverage driving peoples' opinions, but it seems overly cynical to think coverage trumps content entirely.
Because if he says he agrees with her, he would isolate his heavily white anti undocumented immigrant supporters. If he reverses and says he doesn't support them really then he isolates hispanics and any chance of a potential presidential bid. He's in a lose-lose situation, so the only option left is to..run away.
This is why he ran away, not because he knew the media would spin this interaction against him.
The Librarian
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...There is a flaw at the very foundation of the dream act. There is no way to possibly know whether someone is a dreamer. Every illegal alien from every corner of the world can claim they are dreamers and there is no way to verify whether that was truthful or not.
why cant he engage her in conversation
what would he say that would embarrass himself
someone above already said he supports a legal process to make her a citizen
'yo i hope you become a citizen someday'
Why can't Elizabeth Warren comment on the situation in Gaza?
Same answer. Success in politics requires early recognition of quicksand.
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Are there any politicians that want to handle the issue of illegal Latin American immigration by helping solve the corruption in a ton of Latin American countries? I don't know if that would involve going to war, and I'm pretty ignorant on the subject. But just from the start, it seems like a good way to reduce illegal immigration is to help make those countries more free and less corrupt.
There is a flaw at the very foundation of the dream act. There is no way to possibly know whether someone is a dreamer. Every illegal alien from every corner of the world can claim they are dreamers and there is no way to verify whether that was truthful or not.
That's not a flaw. That's a feature.
SteveWinwood
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i meanBecause if he says he agrees with her, he would isolate his heavily white anti undocumented immigrant supporters. If he reverses and says he doesn't support them really then he isolates hispanics and any chance of a potential presidential bid. He's in a lose-lose situation, so the only option left to save himself is to..run away.
youre going to alienate people on any stance
so instead of saying his official stance
he walked away?
i dont know why she didntWhy can't Elizabeth Warren comment on the situation in Gaza?
Same answer. Success in politics requires early recognition of quicksand.
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she could have not had an official stance yet
its a complicated issue
she could just give a canned 'its emerging right now we're not sure whats happening we'll release statements later'
also looked like she was walking somewhere instead of eating lunch
pretty sure rand paul has a stance on the dream act and its public just repeat it if she has specific questions im sure his understanding of it can come with something
I'm not a Rand Paul fan, but I see why he got out of there. That's a political trap.
If your policy position is so socially abhorrent that putting it on camera is a political liability, then perhaps a rethink of said policy is in order?
This is the problem with Republicans in general - they hold universally repugnant and abhorrent social positions, then lack the balls to articulate them anywhere where they might actually get scrutiny. There's a reason the GOP continually finds themselves shoved ever closer to the dustbin of irrelevance.
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Are there any politicians that want to handle the issue of illegal Latin American immigration by helping solve the corruption in a ton of Latin American countries? I don't know if that would involve going to war, and I'm pretty ignorant on the subject. But just from the start, it seems like a good way to reduce illegal immigration is to help make those countries more free and less corrupt.
would they acknowledge US involvement of parachuting dictators that would uphold American interests in Latin America through out the 20th Century?
Personally the US bares a brunt of responsibility with the current state of Central America overall due to their policy towards that region during the 20th Century
i mean
youre going to alienate people on any stance
so instead of saying his official stance
he walked away?
The question was not about him or even directed at him, so why get involved at all?
There is a flaw at the very foundation of the dream act. There is no way to possibly know whether someone is a dreamer. Every illegal alien from every corner of the world can claim they are dreamers and there is no way to verify whether that was truthful or not.
we should make them wear arm bands
SteveWinwood
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The question was not about him or even directed at him, so why get involved at all?
so why didnt he just keep eating
was he worried he was going to laugh while he told her he believes she needs to be forcibly removed from the country shes spent her whole life in?
would they acknowledge US involvement of parachuting dictators that would uphold American interests in Latin America through out the 20th Century?
This is something that I am unaware of.
QuicheFontaine
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Sheer panic? Walking away from another guy getting ambushed seems logical.
I present the sandwich as evidence that he panicked.
If he was thinking straight, he would've taken it with him.
Edit: wait, DOES he take it with him? This is important.
I present the sandwich as evidence that he panicked.
If he was thinking straight, he would've taken it with him.
Conceded. Though a lackey probably packed up the sandwich for him.
Maybe he just welcomed the excuse to get away from King?so why didnt he just keep eating
SteveWinwood
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Conceded. Though a lackey probably packed up the sandwich for him.
Maybe he just welcomed the excuse to get away from King?
thats fair i understand that
i analyzed the gif about 20 more times
i dunno hes not getting up that fast and he takes time to wipe his mouth
maybe he was just leaving i dunno
asthmagasm
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Wow, I didn't even notice the penis cookie
It's a rocket ship!
so why didnt he just keep eating
was he worried he was going to laugh while he told her he believes she needs to be forcibly removed from the country shes spent her whole life in?
If he stayed there while King spoke with her, and said nothing but just kept eating, it would be spun as tacit approval for every word that came out of King's mouth.
QuicheFontaine
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Watching the gif closely, I think he might actually take it. In which case I retract my statement.Conceded. Though a lackey probably packed up the sandwich for him.
speculawyer
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You're just mad he didn't take the bait.
Conservative-land . . . where actually discussing policy is 'taking the bait'.
gutter_trash
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This is something that I am unaware of.
http://listverse.com/2009/07/11/10-cases-of-american-intervention-in-latin-america/
SteveWinwood
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If he stayed there while King spoke with her, and said nothing but just kept eating, it would be spun as tacit approval for every word that came out of King's mouth.
why
is his stance not public record?
if someone asks him about it he just says 'king and i disagree on many things, but it was his event and he was talking to his guest'
Watching the gif closely, I think he might actually take it. In which case I retract my statement.
That was his drink. Or a mustard bottle. Hard to tell.
LaserBuddha
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Its only bait if he's going to make himself look bad when he engages it. Which is what would happen, because Rand Paul is a fucking moron (hence the libertarianism).You're just mad he didn't take the bait.
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