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Breaking: Russian UN Ambassador Dies

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lastplayed said:
If it was murder, why assume it must be Russian? There's a lot of spy agencies and assassins out there.
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CIA could have had some payback and going rogue against Trump administration... In the spy world this kind of things is not out of the realm of possibility
 
lastplayed said:
If it was murder, why assume it must be Russian? There's a lot of spy agencies and assassins out there.
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What would be the point in murdering a diplomat? All that'll happen is that the Kremlin will send in another Putin stooge. No, the only reason Russian officials like this are murdered is if they get on Putin or an Ogligarch's bad side.
 
Looking at that reddit list of recent Russian diplomats who have died, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the tapes on trump are real, Putin knows he owns the President of the USA and is cleaning house on anyone with knowledge or evidence that could prove it.
 
Squire said:
65 is a really early death by modern standards.
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Not in Russia. The Russian life expectancy is 65 years.

I was wondering about that, so I bothered looking it up:
wordbank data link for life expectancy on all countries
And clicked through for the Russian Federation specifically:
note that this is male only and the life expectancy is severely skewed down by men and their love for vodka
edit: I wrongly claimed it was both genders. It's male only.

So, his death is the average, which is already higher than the expected median (since the axis is one way only, so outliers pull up the average whereas the median of most cases is lower).
It's very unlikely that he was killed considering how little difference that would make, considering he was effectively already 'past due date'.
edit: in fact, for a man born in 1960, he was already three years past the life expectancy average.

And yeah, that sucks when talking about people, but it is a fact of life: where you are born and where you lived determines how long you get to live.
 
So the Russian spy ship gets close enough to fire a manned sub with an agent in it that lands and poisons the ambassador then gets extracted like in metal gear. Yeah I'm going to go with theory
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
Not in Russia. The Russian life expectancy is 65 years.

I was wondering about that, so I bothered looking it up:
wordbank data link for life expectancy on all countries
And clicked through for the Russian Federation specifically:
note that this is male only and the life expectancy is severely skewed down by men and their love for vodka
edit: I wrongly claimed it was both genders. It's male only.

So, his death is the average, which is already higher than the expected median (since the axis is one way only, so outliers pull up the average whereas the median of most cases is lower).
It's very unlikely that he was killed considering how little difference that would make, considering he was effectively already 'past due date'.
edit: in fact, for a man born in 1960, he was already three years past the life expectancy average.

And yeah, that sucks when talking about people, but it is a fact of life: where you are born and where you lived determines how long you get to live.
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Life expectancy changes as you survive longer (because the people that die younger are no longer in that cohort). Its not like he was really that old (and he probably had much better healthcare than the average russian) even for russians. Still probably natural causes but autopsy could point otherwise.
 
Tugatrix said:
CIA could have had some payback and going rogue against Trump administration... In the spy world this kind of things is not out of the realm of possibility
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The CIA murdering this guy is indeed so implausible it enters the world of "out of the realm of possibility."
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
Not in Russia. The Russian life expectancy is 65 years.

I was wondering about that, so I bothered looking it up:
wordbank data link for life expectancy on all countries
And clicked through for the Russian Federation specifically:
note that this is male only and the life expectancy is severely skewed down by men and their love for vodka
edit: I wrongly claimed it was both genders. It's male only.

So, his death is the average, which is already higher than the expected median (since the axis is one way only, so outliers pull up the average whereas the median of most cases is lower).
It's very unlikely that he was killed considering how little difference that would make, considering he was effectively already 'past due date'.
edit: in fact, for a man born in 1960, he was already three years past the life expectancy average.

And yeah, that sucks when talking about people, but it is a fact of life: where you are born and where you lived determines how long you get to live.
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Yeah but that's heavily weighed down by people drinking bath oils.
 
squidyj said:
sometimes people die without it being a russian plot.
Hardly seems like a guy they'd want to kill.
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I mean sure but he actually seems like exactly the kind of person the Kremlin has killed before. Loosely tied to American and Russian intrigue and abroad.
 
Garlador said:
It was an accident. He fell down an elevator shaft... onto some bullets.
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Tacitus_ said:
Not for Russia though, 64 is the life expectancy for males there.
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Yeah, but he's living in NYC now, had a cushy job and good education and social status etc. His personal life expectancy isn't intrinsically tied to Russia overall life expectancy for males.
 
Well, about not knowing and not assuming, this comes a few days after a new report about this kind of thing happening under Putin. Not a shock that people are assuming.
 
Mr.Mike said:
Yeah, but he's living in NYC now, had a cushy job and good education and social status etc. His personal life expectancy isn't intrinsically tied to Russia overall life expectancy for males.
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None of those will stop a man from drinking himself to an early grave. And Russians love to drink.
 
KernelPanic said:
State Department prevented medical examiner from releasing the cause of death.



https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/840241710223544320
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As one of the people that thought GAFers jumping to "poisoned!" conclusions were being stupid and jumping the gun, all I have to say is, uuhhhhhh, that's incredibly suspicious.

What other reason would they not disclose details for cause of death? Can family request the State Dept to do this? What are the implications of this decision? Right now all it does is draw unnecessary attention and concern.
 
HStallion said:
Dumb question but what exactly does this entail?
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It's hard to say, it may have been at the request of the Russian government wishing to make their own announcement. Obviously it's cause for plenty of speculation but it's unlikely there will be a clear answer.

Side note: When this got bumped I thought it was a new thread and another Russian diplomat had dropped dead.
 
You guys, you'd have a point if he was glowing, or full of poisoned darts.

But he fell. Just because the State dept. doesn't want to admit gravity doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.


I'm sure it's a coincidence again.
 
State Department is a rubber stamp that's clearly fucking compromised. Just smile and nod. Smile and nod.

I can't believe we're still at the point where arrests aren't getting made already it's crazy.

When does the FBI and CIA start publicly showing their information in Trump?

It's not just leaks to the press anymore. You gottah wonder what Donald can access that he can leak to the Russians

And his weekend mar a Lago retreats? I wonder where's easier to access trump, mar a Lago or the whitehouse.
 
Guevara said:
Tillerson already paying off.
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To be fair, it has to be Tillerson here. There's nobody else left at the State Department. They've sacked everyone else that was there from the Carter era onwards.

Nobody will be able to get another answer from Rex, either.
He'll just have another press conference where he'll stare blankly while shaking someone's hand and ignore all questions while seasoned journalists are escorted out of the room.
You'll have better luck getting an honest answer out of the Russians.
 
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