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Broforce skipping XBO due to Parity Clause, and "deal they couldn't refuse" w/ Sony
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People take this console war stuff way too seriously.
Barsinister
Banned
The game is coming out FIRST on PlayStation 4 due to a deal. It is never coming out on XboxOne due to the parity clause.
The policy has more holes than a lump of Swiss cheese. It's clear that it's pretty much meaningless at this point.
tarzanpuyol
Member
this rule goes against everything that xbox used to stand for at some point, ease of doing business, ease of development, etc.
TheSlySoul
Member
Oh yeah, to think about it Wii U takes less money to publish. Since Mighty No. 9 is published to Wii U, Xbox is never getting it.
The clause is really dumb guys.
The clause is really dumb guys.
funkystudent
Member
Well they accepted your indie garbage so they cant be curating that hard.
http://absinthegames.com/idxbox/
Jimmyfenix
Member
Then drop the clause. This is not Rocket Science Microsoft.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So this is a confirmed pub funded game?
Oh, well why not just say that in the interview?
Seems like something that should be added to the OP.
Yeah, I remember a time when my 360 was humming with great indie and middleware titles. How the worm has turned.
Better late than never MS. Get rid of that parity clause.
Parallel universe thread whining. lol. I hope this phrase sticks.
Parallel universe thread whining. lol. I hope this phrase sticks.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
You realize that is an indie game developer who was making a joke right?
Stone Ocean
Member
Not at all. Sarcasm is hard to read through serious looking posts
Jimmyfenix
Member
lmao
Castef
Banned
Err... where did you get that second part of the sentence?
They not even tried to bring it to a Microsoft machine.
Look, the Parity Clause is stupid, I agree with people who criticizes it. It could be easily changed in something more appealing for developers, like "Ok, publish it on XB1 whenever you want, just add something exclusive, even 1 level or 1 weapon or 1 shitty feature".
Yet, this whole thread is based on a clearly flawed premise.
I have no idea, but it seems like a weaker assumption than others being made, since pub fund has been Sony's approach to indie games.
If the Absinthe guy wasn't just kidding around and was serious, this is brutality right here.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Sony "moneyhatted" Drinkbox studios by giving them the funds to finish their game, then it, quite shockingly might I add, released on Xbox. It's really not that hard to understand but I'm aware you have your own ways.
TheSlySoul
Member
I think that is fair. Rayman Legends would have had a Wii U release in March and the Director's Cut in September for PS3/360.
But...
Also yeah the deal says nothing to adding to publishing. It could be just a bonus.
To be fair, I've seen him decrying the policy in other threads.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That doesn't sound like what happened at all.
Seems like the opposite of what you're suggesting. Sony 'reached out' and the deal they couldn't refuse was made, doesn't sound at all like they were driven to accept this deal.
funkystudent
Member
Jimmyfenix
Member
If you not signed up with ID@Xbox you don't get answers
Also it is all NDA'd
Stone Ocean
Member
The game is not out, it's on early access
fargofallout
Member
I agree that the parity clause, as I understand it, is dumb. But this seems like a pretty clickbait-y article because the developers apparently don't know (they are quoted as saying "as far as I know Microsoft has a clause..."), which renders the whole article pointless.
Castef
Banned
Aaaah. So, everyone is able to suppose whatever they want because no one knows.
Right...
I think you're neglecting to remember that the mere idea of the parity clause precluded them from even considering a Microsoft deal, which speaks to how poor Microsoft's mindshare with indie developers is at the moment. Just read chubigans' posts on this subject for some fierce truths directly from an indie.
Barsinister
Banned
The whole idea that the game is blocked from MS because of Pub Fund is flawed. Joe Danger was a Pub Fund game and it later released on 360. If it is more accurate to say possibly won't come to the One, I thought of that after I hit reply.
Haunted
Member
People are still stuck in 2008/2009. "They could've come to MS and talk to them, hash out a deal, trying to get them to drop the parity clause, make an exception for them!"
Yeah, maybe. They could have.
But that's still assuming the old distribution of power, where console manufacturers can push indies around and force their conditions on them. That's been shattered during the last couple years by the proliferation of Steam and indies finding massive success outside of consoles.
If you're a promising, fully-featured, well-covered and well-known indie game published by Devolver Digital, the console manufacturers come to you and court you to release a port of the game on their platform. (Just like Sony has done here) The times when bigger indie names had to come begging to get put on XBLA and abide by their shitty, one-sided contracts are over.
Someone just forgot to tell MS.
Yeah, maybe. They could have.
But that's still assuming the old distribution of power, where console manufacturers can push indies around and force their conditions on them. That's been shattered during the last couple years by the proliferation of Steam and indies finding massive success outside of consoles.
If you're a promising, fully-featured, well-covered and well-known indie game published by Devolver Digital, the console manufacturers come to you and court you to release a port of the game on their platform. (Just like Sony has done here) The times when bigger indie names had to come begging to get put on XBLA and abide by their shitty, one-sided contracts are over.
Someone just forgot to tell MS.
you need to fix your sarcasm detector before you keep shitting on him for no reason.
Jimmyfenix
Member
It seems like MS is stuck in 2009.
Sony don't have a equivalent cause of if it's already launched on one platform by default it's not allowed on PS. It wouldn't be the case if the situation was switched or if they launched on PS first without the exclusivity window that comes with Sony's funding or whatever assistance they are offering.
... Did you miss the joke or what.Oh you not... welp. Am show you have some High caliber work to show us.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, the parity clause does not matter if you release on mobile or PC. Only on consoles.
It is made to purely spite console developers. Also it must have made good money to get published on XB. I hear ID isn't cheap.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Seems the original 'moneyhat' resulted in a 15 month console exclusivity period. So what's your point?
Lol, it's not very "specific" at all, just the way he decided to word it because he probably wasn't thinking about how thousands of console warriors on the Internet were going to insta-parse it from the safety of their pre-existing biases.
Do we not have ample evidence by this point of Sony doing previous deals at this level (small devs) where they have *not* required exclusivity for it? Given that, how can you claim this is so clear cut?
The guy edited in the /s afterwards, it's not his fault his poor "joke" didn't go to plan.
Anyone else find it ironic that a guy who got mad at a post seemingly bashing indies is now himself bashing indies?
SomedayTheFire
Member
"we can't make any conclusions on his vague statements, except that it was all because of the parity clause and the other thing was probably circumstantial at best"
Jimmyfenix
Member
Fuuuuuuuuu.... i REALY love this game on my windows pc but as the one is my primary console i will miss it on my big screen...
...hopefully it comes to the ps vita...
Broforce is coming to PS VITA!
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Fucking MS and their stupid fucking parity clause. Just remove it. It does not benefit anyone.
You're allowed to make conclusions but I'm personally not going to rubber stamp it as a moneyhat until there's more information out in the wild.
The guy was active in that huge thread about how the parity clause is hurting devs http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947986
So it was obvious it was sarcasm if you've read about this matter before in this forum.
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