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[Asmodai]

The thing with Brütal Legend and Psychonauts is their gameplay are kinda bad, but not enough to get in the way of your enjoyment of the world it's putting you in.

This is the subjective part. If everyone agreed with you, everyone would have bought Psychonauts and be buying Brutal Legend.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

I love the platforming in Psychonauts.

The vast majority of it at least, but it's not really a platformer. Making precise jumps isn't the level of the nature design in most of the levels. In spite of that Black Velvetopia incorporates some fantastic platforming gameplay. The overall level design in that game was astoundingly good with pacing, progression, and diversity. So even if people don't think the mechanics are amazing the level design I expect from the actual retail product of Brutal Legend is pretty high, given their track record.

I think this is my biggest problem. I havent actually seen footage yet (there hasnt been much of the game beyond the demo we just played thats been shown) that suggests there is level design like Psychonauts and not just wide open plains with enemies and car segments.

The lack of it being a platformer with nothing to climb means no height to levels. Maybe there are intricate dungeons in the final game, but I doubt it. Unless Doublefine wanted to improperly advertise their game and invite yet another flop, in which case theyre insane?

I mean this is another boss from the game:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-boss-brutal-legend/53038

I have fought so many boss spiders in videogames at this point that we could probably assemble a Top 50 of them. And nothing about this encounter is original or interesting. And if the bosses aren't interesting or fun in a game based on combat, what IS it going to offer?

 

[AceBandage]

This is the subjective part. If everyone agreed with you, everyone would have bought Psychonauts and be buying Brutal Legend.

Gaming itself is subjective.
I hate sim racers, but Grand Turismo sells millions every time.
This is why we have so many different genres and styles of games.

 

[ElNarez]

This is the subjective part. If everyone agreed with you, everyone would have bought Psychonauts and be buying Brutal Legend.

It'd more be like "everyone who bought Psychonauts enjoyed the hell out of it", which I think is the case.

 

[cr_blah_blah]

When you say "it comes down to being different kinds of gamers," that's where you imply the false dichotomy.

What "kind" of gamer prioritizes something else over gameplay? (note, don't give me a literal answer, like "the kind that likes MGS4". It was a rhetorical question :lol )

If you want the audience to sit there passively viewing your cutscenes/dialogue rather than interacting with it in some way, what is the point of making it a game? You're basically just making the player jump through a few hoops every once in a while to get to the next cutscene.

There are absolutely plenty of gamers who prioritize the experience overall over gameplay. The majority of JRPG gamers don't do it for the intense turn-based combat. The conversation has turned now to as if the gameplay is deplorable and impossible to play. It's not. Being simplistic and being terrible aren't the same thing. I think that's where the "different kinds of gamers" comments fit.

 

[MMaRsu]

I love the platforming in Psychonauts.

The vast majority of it at least, but it's not really a platformer. Making precise jumps isn't the level of the nature design in most of the levels. In spite of that Black Velvetopia incorporates some fantastic platforming gameplay. The overall level design in that game was astoundingly good with pacing, progression, and diversity. So even if people don't think the mechanics are amazing the level design I expect from the actual retail product of Brutal Legend is pretty high, given their track record.

It has to be a joke that we're judging the game so deeply based on a tutorial/intro section. It would be like saying Psychonauts feels like a simplistic platformer after playing the opening level.

I know right?

 

[Asmodai]

I think this is my biggest problem. I havent actually seen footage yet (there hasnt been much of the game beyond the demo we just played thats been shown) that suggests there is level design like Psychonauts and not just wide open plains with enemies and car segments.

The lack of it being a platformer with nothing to climb means no height to levels. Maybe there are intricate dungeons in the final game, but I doubt it. Unless Doublefine wanted to improperly advertise their game and invite yet another flop, in which case theyre insane?

I mean this is another boss from the game:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-boss-brutal-legend/53038

I have fought so many boss spiders in videogames at this point that we could probably assemble a Top 50 of them. And nothing about this encounter is original or interesting. And if the bosses aren't interesting or fun in a game based on combat, what IS it going to offer?

Dude, you've seen the posts in this thread. People are openly admitting they don't care if the gameplay is sub-par so long as they can watch the dialogue, hear Jack Black's lines, etc.

It seems pretty crazy to me to not care about whether the gameplay in a game is up to snuff, but eh, to each their own.

Of course, they better not be complaining when the game doesn't sell well.

There are absolutely plenty of gamers who prioritize the experience overall over gameplay. The majority of JRPG gamers don't do it for the intense turn-based combat. The conversation has turned now to as if the gameplay is deplorable and impossible to play. It's not. Being simplistic and being terrible aren't the same thing. I think that's where the "different kinds of gamers" comments fit.

That's why I said "don't give me a literal answer." People who like MGS4, which is 80% cutscene and 20% gameplay, obviously prioritize story/cutscenes over gameplay.

As for the gameplay, I found it tedious and was bored of the combat long before the demo was over. Not a good sign. And again, if the demo doesn't represent the game fairly, it is the developer's fault alone and noone else's.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

It'd more be like "everyone who bought Psychonauts enjoyed the hell out of it", which I think is the case.

That might be true of all Tim's games but this will clearly be the exception! I mean just remember how fun the gameplay segment of Psychonauts was! What kind of fool thought that shoddily designed military level and the janky platform mechanics didn't showcase the best of what the game had to offer?

Also I'm pretty sure nobody here expects the gameplay to be subpar. Mechanically maybe so, but Tim and his team weave the presentation and narrative into the gameplay itself that they end up being much more fun to play than 99% of the titles out there despite the wonky mechanics.

 

[ElNarez]

Of course, they better not be complaining when the game doesn't sell well.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything ?

 

[Asmodai]

That might be true of all Tim's games but this will clearly be the exception! I mean just remember how fun the gameplay segment of Psychonauts was! What kind of fool thought that shoddily designed military level and the janky platform mechanics didn't showcase the best of what the game had to offer?

Now we're on to the other Too Human defense force argument: "their games were good in the past, so clearly they will be good in the future!" Only with heavy handed, poorly executed sarcasm as well. :lol

What the fuck does this have to do with anything ?

So many in these threads complain about how the game will likely be a flop, and how much more sophisticated they are then those ignorant plebians who will play Modern Warfare 2 and the like instead of this.

Suffice it to say that complaining about a game selling when it admittedly has bad gameplay is pretty irrational. Just because you can tolerate sub-par gameplay and will buy it for other reasons does not mean that everyone else should.

 

[cr_blah_blah]

Dude, you've seen the posts in this thread. People are openly admitting they don't care if the gameplay is sub-par so long as they can watch the dialogue, hear Jack Black's lines, etc.

It seems pretty crazy to me to not care about whether the gameplay in a game is up to snuff, but eh, to each their own.

Of course, they better not be complaining when the game doesn't sell well.



That's why I said "don't give me a literal answer." People who like MGS4, which is 80% cutscene and 20% gameplay, obviously prioritize story/cutscenes over gameplay.

As for the gameplay, I found it tedious and was bored of the combat long before the demo was over. Not a good sign. And again, if the demo doesn't represent the game fairly, it is the developer's fault alone and noone else's.

And what do you want me or anyone to say? Not everyone felt the combat detracted from the game and you did. It just really seems like you have some agenda to push at this point.

 

[CultureClearance]

Now we're on to the other Too Human defense force argument: "their games were good in the past, so clearly they will be good in the future!" Only with heavy handed, poorly executed sarcasm as well. :lol

how about rising above your own hypocrisy and say "we'll see how good it is when it comes out?" Or would that be too much for you?

 

[Asmodai]

And what do you want me or anyone to say? Not everyone felt the combat detracted from the game and you did. It just really seems like you have some agenda to push at this point.

I don't "want" you to say anything. I pointed this out because some people were being fantards about it and trying to stomp out any and all criticism, which beats the entire point of a discussion forum in the first place.

And yes, my agenda was given to me by Bobby Kotick himself. He dispatched me to ensure that Brutal Legend doesn't destroy MW2 this fall, as we all knew it would. :lol

how about rising above your own hypocrisy and say "we'll see how good it is when it comes out?" Or would that be too much for you?

Elaborate on the hypocrisy please, this would be amusing.

And we have the third Too Human argument, ie "you can't say anything negative about the game until it comes out."

There are some of the most defensive and easily offended fanboys in this thread since the Too Human debacle, that's for sure.

All I was saying is that those who are trying to stomp out the criticism in a forum are being ridiculous.

Of course, then they turn on ME for telling them to lay off the critics. :lol

 

[Cowie]

When you say "it comes down to being different kinds of gamers," that's where you imply the false dichotomy.

What "kind" of gamer prioritizes something else over gameplay? (note, don't give me a literal answer, like "the kind that likes MGS4". It was a rhetorical question :lol )

If you want the audience to sit there passively viewing your cutscenes/dialogue rather than interacting with it in some way, what is the point of making it a game? You're basically just making the player jump through a few hoops every once in a while to get to the next cutscene.

Hmm, I'm not sure, is it my word choice that is throwing this off? Maybe if I say it as, gamers who value different things in their games? I'm willing to accept the 'jump through a few hoops' approach, and I don't see it as a bad thing. I loved MGS4, and you've used it as an example of a game that does something fundamentally wrong. Maybe we're not a Type A Gamer and a Type B Gamer, but do you at least see where there is a huge disagreement between us that we're not going to solve?

I don't know, I don't necessarily even want to discourage critiques, I guess I'm just trying to recognize the very basic difference that will make discussion on this topic incredibly difficult.

 

[Asmodai]

Hmm, I'm not sure, is it my word choice that is throwing this off? Maybe if I say it as, gamers who value different things in their games? I'm willing to accept the 'jump through a few hoops' approach, and I don't see it as a bad thing. I loved MGS4, and you've used it as an example of a game that does something fundamentally wrong. Maybe we're not a Type A Gamer and a Type B Gamer, but do you at least see where there is a huge disagreement between us that we're not going to solve?

I don't know, I don't necessarily even want to discourage critiques, I guess I'm just trying to recognize the very basic difference that will make discussion on this topic incredibly difficult.

Yeah, this was the only thing I had a problem with. You never discouraged criticism, but others in the thread did, it was those I wanted to tell to stop it.

People who discouraging criticism of any game are trying to turn discussion threads into a praise-fest circlejerk where any differing opinions are met with hostility, which is obviously not desirable.

 

[ElNarez]

So many in these threads complain about how the game will likely be a flop, and how much more sophisticated they are then those ignorant plebians who will play Modern Warfare 2 and the like instead of this.

Suffice it to say that complaining about a game selling when it admittedly has bad gameplay is pretty irrational. Just because you can tolerate sub-par gameplay and will buy it for other reasons does not mean that everyone else should.

You made a long sentence, but you didn't answer my question : What do the sales of a game have to do with its quality ?

 

[CultureClearance]

Elaborate on the hypocrisy please, this would be amusing.

You're not even worth the time, but here goes:

You're bitching about people pre-judging a game based off of a demo while you do the exact same thing. Wow, that was a real tough one to figure out.
Don't bother responding with more nonsense. I won't be able to read it.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Now we're on to the other Too Human defense force argument: "their games were good in the past, so clearly they will be good in the future!" Only with heavy handed, poorly executed sarcasm as well. :lol

Because subtle sarcasm works so well on the internet; needless to mention that your wonderfully cerebral posts warrant so much better.

Was that any better?

Though you seemed to fail to comprehend my simple point. The first section of their previous game wasn't spectacular whilst the game just so happened to turn out to be spectacular at the end. Your SK is flat out irrelevant because both Eternal Darkness and Twin Snakes played as awful at their conclusion as they did at their beginning.

 

[CharminUltra]

Damn it DF. Just played the demo and it plays and looks just as bad as the E3 build did back in June, which is too bad because the story, setting, and music are excellent.

 

[Pachinko]

Did this thread turn into meta meta meta nonsence while I wasn't looking or something ?

If you enjoyed the demo go buy the full game and have fun with it, if you didn't enjoy the demo then skip the full game and get out of this thread after saying as much.

End of story.


oh wait this is the internet where not only is your opinion fact but your opinions need to be defended voilently , especially if they buck the trend.

While how about this- the haters are clearly in the minority on this one so why don't they... idono wait until the full product is out, play it anyway and then make a "brutal legend wasn't as good as I thought it was supposed to be" thread for all the haters to hate.

meanwhile the people that do enjoy the game can continue a discussion of it here and in the invetible "official" brutal legend thread.

 

[Asmodai]

Damn it DF. Just played the demo and it plays and looks just as bad as the E3 build did back in June, which is too bad because the story, setting, and music are excellent.

You might want to get ready to bail out of the thread real fast, the Defence Force is set on making it a circle jerk.

Opposing opinions are not welcome.

 

[AceBandage]

You might want to get ready to bail out of the thread real fast, the Defence Force is set on making it a circle jerk.

Opposing opinions are not welcome.

It's funny how you want us to allow critiques of the game, but are so dead set against critiques of opinions.

 

[Asmodai]

It's funny how you want us to allow critiques of the game, but are so dead set against critiques of opinions.

The hell? I'm critiquing the opinions of fantards by telling them to not try to shut out criticism of their obsession.

I never said I had a problem with critiquing of anything, without critiques there is no discussion period. If you want a thread with only positive opinions, edit the thread title to say "Contrarian Opinions/Discussion Not Welcome."

 

[AceBandage]

The fact that you keep referring to people as "fantards" and such, disagrees, though.

 

[Shurs]

Did this thread turn into meta meta meta nonsence while I wasn't looking or something ?

If you enjoyed the demo go buy the full game and have fun with it, if you didn't enjoy the demo then skip the full game and get out of this thread after saying as much.

End of story.


oh wait this is the internet where not only is your opinion fact but your opinions need to be defended voilently , especially if they buck the trend.

While how about this- the haters are clearly in the minority on this one so why don't they... idono wait until the full product is out, play it anyway and then make a "brutal legend wasn't as good as I thought it was supposed to be" thread for all the haters to hate.

meanwhile the people that do enjoy the game can continue a discussion of it here and in the invetible "official" brutal legend thread.

This is the "Brutal Legend demo impressions thread." It's specifically for impressions of the demo. You're suggesting that only positive impressions should make their way into this thread? I could see that logic for the Official Thread (which already exists, btw) but to say that only people who liked the game should post in this thread goes against everything a discussion forum is all about.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Well all we have to go on at the moment is the demo because so little other game footage of single player has been shown. Which is never a good sign in my opinion.

But lets agree to re-convene on this when reviews start pouring and we've played it. I am at least going to rent it because I want to 'watch' it very much so, but I have a feeling the game segments will frustrate the shit out of me in between. I will not be kind to this game.

Edit: Hang on, wait, I just realised this is the demo impressions thread and not the official one that I already feel I've been chased out of! Fuck you asshole defenders! :lol

 

[ElNarez]

Just a quick question : In what way the gameplay shown in the demo is awful ?

 

[Asmodai]

This is the "Brutal Legend demo impressions thread." It's specifically for impressions of the demo. You're suggesting that only positive impressions should make their way into this thread? I could see that logic for the Official Thread (which already exists, btw) but to say that only people who liked the game should post in this thread goes against everything a discussion forum is all about.

Dude, I know you have good intentions and all, but it isn't going to end well.

Secret Bonus Point started it, then I tried to back him up, and none of it is going to work.

Well all we have to go on at the moment is the demo because so little other game footage of single player has been shown. Which is never a good sign in my opinion.

But lets agree to re-convene on this when reviews start pouring and we've played it. I am at least going to rent it because I want to 'watch' it very much so, but I have a feeling the game segments will frustrate the shit out of me in between. I will not be kind to this game.

Edit: Hang on, wait, I just realised this is the demo impressions thread and not the official one that I already feel I've been chased out of! Fuck you asshole defenders! :lol

Me too. I want to see the cutscenes and the environments, but don't want to jump through hoops to see them. Hmm..

The fact that you keep referring to people as "fantards" and such, disagrees, though.

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? Calling obsessively defensive fans fantards is critiquing their opinion, the very thing you thought I had a problem with.

 

[kafka rock opera]

I will not be kind to this game.

Sweet bro! way to pre-judge a video game before you've played it.

 

[Asmodai]

Sweet bro! way to pre-judge a video game before you've played it.

Yeah, it's not as if demos are intended entirely for the purpose of giving people a chance to try a game and judge it.

No, they're clearly for other purposes. That I can't think of at this moment.

 

[AceBandage]

Dude, I know you have good intentions and all, but it isn't going to end well.

Secret Bonus Point started it, then I tried to back him up, and none of it is going to work.



You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? Calling obsessively defensive fans fantards is critiquing their opinion, the very thing you thought I had a problem with.

The problem is, it seems less like you're trying to have an actual discussion, and more like you're trying to start a flame war, when you keep saying things like that and telling people "You better duck and cover before the fantard defense force gets you!"

 

[fistwell_old]

I thought the demo sucked. Really really sucked. Honestly, i was looking for it to suck, jack black annoys the hell out of me... but boy, did it SUCK!
Surprised to say that some of the jokes actually got me. Some of the random stuff the main character says is funny.

But visuals sucked. The only thing with nice detail was the main guy's face. The rest looked like hd xbox. Gameplay was... i dont know... empty, for lack of a better word. God... if this demo is representative of the game at all, it's a complete failure.

 

[cr_blah_blah]

Some people here seem like a bundle of joy.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Sweet bro! way to pre-judge a video game before you've played it.

That tends to be how I decide what to buy, what not to buy, and what to rent. I am sure you do the same thing, and the amount of great games that get savaged on GAF because of a few shoddy segments in the whole thing sort of makes me raise an eyebrow at people that can gloss over really below average controls and gameplay here just because its their favourite rockstar/game developer. That doesn't hold weight with me. If Ueda made a shit game or Capcom made a shit game or whoever makes a shit game, I call them on it no matter how great the cutscenes were. I will offer this game that same level playing field of judgement.

 

[kafka rock opera]

Yeah, it's not as if demos are intended entirely for the purpose of giving people a chance to try a game and judge it.

No, they're clearly for other purposes. That I can't think of at this moment.

Clearly you can judge an entire game based on your 10-15 mins spent playing the demo!

 

[Asmodai]

I thought the demo sucked. Really really sucked. Honestly, i was looking for it to suck, jack black annoys the hell out of me... but boy, did it SUCK!
Surprised to say that some of the jokes actually got me. Some of the random stuff the main character says is funny.

But visuals sucked. The only thing with nice detail was the main guy's face. The rest looked like hd xbox. Gameplay was... i dont know... empty, for lack of a better word. God... if this demo is representative of the game at all, it's a complete failure.

I mostly agree with you on the game, but out of curiosity, why don't you like Jack Black? I didn't like School of Rock either, but he does have his moments.

Clearly you can judge an entire game based on your 10-15 mins spent playing the demo!

:lol :lol :lol

Enlighten me as to what the purpose of a demo is.

 

[kafka rock opera]

That tends to be how I decide what to buy, what not to buy, and what to rent. I am sure you do the same thing, and the amount of great games that get savaged on GAF because of a few shoddy segments in the whole thing sort of makes me raise an eyebrow at people that can gloss over really below average controls and gameplay here just because its their favourite rockstar/game developer. That doesn't hold weight with me. If Ueda made a shit game or Capcom made a shit game or whoever makes a shit game, I call them on it no matter how great the cutscenes were. I will offer this game that same level playing field of judgement.

If this is true then of course there is no problem with your methods. However i was saying from that line it appeared that your mind was already made. it is in my opinion that if you dont like a game you gain nothing from trolling it repeatedly online.

 

[kafka rock opera]

:lol :lol :lol

Enlighten me as to what the purpose of a demo is.

First quoting the 3 laughy faces because they are ever so passive aggressive. second its a demo showing you a brief section of the game. If you dont like the demo and dont want to buy the game based off of said demo then that is of course fine. however saying that you hate the entire game based off the game is uninformed. Hell ive tried demos ive loved and ended up hating hte full product it is a cycle which works both ways.

 

[Asmodai]

First quoting the 3 laughy faces because they are ever so passive aggressive. second its a demo showing you a brief section of the game. If you dont like the demo and dont want to buy the game based off of said demo then that is of course fine. however saying that you hate the entire game based off the game is uninformed. Hell ive tried demos ive loved and ended up hating hte full product it is a cycle which works both ways.

Yeah, that would be somewhat unwarranted. Good thing I never said anything of the kind.

It's interesting, but predictable how many people assume that as I defend critics of the game, obviously I must despise said game. I had a great time watching the cutscenes in the demo, and listening to Jack Black throughout it.

I don't post in threads of games that I have no interest in. I'm posting in this thread because Brutal Legend clearly has a lot of potential, but also seems like it has some serious problems that hopefully the devs would remedy in their next game. I don't like threads that I post in to be fanboy enforced totalitarian "Praise-Only" zones. A horrible personality flaw, I know.

 

[kafka rock opera]

Yeah, that would be somewhat unwarranted. Good thing I never said anything of the kind.

Well then! its a great thing i never claimed you had said it was terrible then. Fact of the matter is bro i was addressing someone else and you jumped into the conversation. Apologies for the tricky wording which was probably my fault for not expressing clearly enough that you werent the one calling the game bad. My point still stands that you can neither call the entire game good OR bad based off of a demo.

 

[Mailenstein]

Awesome game. I'm glad this didn't get cancelled. It feels so fresh!

 

[speculawyer]

This thread turned to shit.

Asmodai . . . 11 posts on this page alone about a game you don't like? Get a fucking life. :lol

Edit: Update . . . 13 posts on this page . . . more than 20% of the posts from one person . . . who doesn't like the game and then cries when others disagree. :lol

Edit2: Update 14 posts on this page.. . . 28% of the posts from 1 person . . . who doesn't like the game. :lol

 

[Mr. Mister]

Clearly you can judge an entire game based on your 10-15 mins spent playing the demo!

I hear right after the demo ends Satan gives you the Metal Fist of Rock that suddenly makes the mechanics of the game feel fun as opposed to archaic and boring.

 

[Asmodai]

Well then! its a great thing i never claimed you had said it was terrible then. Fact of the matter is bro i was addressing someone else and you jumped into the conversation. Apologies for the tricky wording which was probably my fault for not expressing clearly enough that you werent the one calling the game bad. My point still stands that you can neither call the entire game good OR bad based off of a demo.

My apologies if I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to me in the posts you quoted me in.

I'm sure you agree with me that the point of a demo is to give people a taste of the game, and if they don't like it, they won't be trying the full game to see if it gets better after the demo.

And I know that you agree that we must allow dissenting opinions in order to have any kind of discussion.

 

[Ninja Kn1ght]

The demo confirmed exactly what I had feared about this game ever since the first gameplay footage emerged. The setting is cool, the writing is funny and clever but as soon you take control of the action it falls apart. The combat is dull and repetitive and the camera was not great either.

 

[Asmodai]

The demo confirmed exactly what I had feared about this game ever since the first gameplay footage emerged. The setting is cool, the writing is funny and clever but as soon you take control of the action it falls apart. The combat is dull and repetitive and the camera was not great either.

It is really unfortunate, isn't it?

I know it's too late for radical changes in development, and there's no way a patch could change the gameplay this much, but at the very least the developer can ensure this won't happen again in the next game.

 

[kafka rock opera]

And I know that you agree that we must allow dissenting opinions in order to have any kind of discussion.

This i agree fully. However senseless trolling claiming to be "just my opinion" is a bit different to me. Informed discussion of a game is fantastic, weighing the pros and cons of a game and its features is what i always viewed was this forums purpose. But of course opinion are opinions and they differ drastically. the question is when is it someone being honest and someone trolling because its on X platform or features Y developer. I wish we could all get along

 

[megalowho]

Some of my favorite games of all time feature gameplay that draws it's strength from level design and variety as opposed to simple raw mechanics. I had no problems with the controls or action in the demo considering it's mostly a tutorial, looking forward to seeing how the game opens up once the scope is expanded.

 

[Asmodai]

This i agree fully. However senseless trolling claiming to be "just my opinion" is a bit different to me. Informed discussion of a game is fantastic, weighing the pros and cons of a game and its features is what i always viewed was this forums purpose. But of course opinion are opinions and they differ drastically. the question is when is it someone being honest and someone trolling because its on X platform or features Y developer. I wish we could all get along

I've never seen any trolling in this thread, or the official thread for that matter.

Everyone who gives their opinion on the game has explained why they like it and why they don't.

It's not a console exclusive, so we won't get console warriors fighting over it, and I don't think anyone has a vendetta against Double Fine, so I doubt that would be a problem either.

 

[kafka rock opera]

I've never seen any trolling in this thread, or the official thread for that matter.

Everyone who gives their opinion on the game has explained why they like it and why they don't.

It's not a console exclusive, so we won't get console warriors fighting over it, and I don't think anyone has a vendetta against Double Fine, so I doubt that would be a problem either.

I was speaking in general and not just this game.