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[Drazgul]

Infinity can suck my dick, they've it turned on in half my village but not the other half, bastards.

The haves and have-nots - clearly a sinister social experiment at work here.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

I really need to look into it today. I've been on phone / tv / broadband forever and I don't think I'm getting a great deal (£45ish, I think?). I just couldn't be arsed to call up and change it. I don't actually watch TV outside of iPlayer and some 4OD stuff and I virtually never use my landline, it's just there for call centres to hassle me on.

I think I'll call tonight, drop phone and TV and then go for 50 or 100mb upgrade.

Its definitely worth it, just for the fact you will be saving money (at least £10 a month) and wont lose any services that you currently use.

As for taking a phone package with it, I say don’t as it may seem cheaper but when you add the line rental its rubbish.
50MB service:

With phone:
£38.90 p/m
Without Phone:
£35

Seems like an easy choice really if you don’t plan to use the phone.

 

[TabletopTictacs]

You people talking about your 100mb's and your Infinitys are making me sick. None of that sci-fi shit in this here village, just good ol' fashioned 10mb (i usually get around 1 on a good day) broadband. ;_;

 

[Adamm]

Be keen! Sky's LLU Broadband Unlimited service is great, stable as hell and great speeds, plus truly unlimited downloads and no throttling at all.

Skys broadband is great, i was with them before i switched to infinity.

But if the choice is 4mb or 40mb - there is only one option, even if it is with BT

(and i actually get a 38-40mb connection)

 

[J Tourettes]

My Sky bb sucks, worked perfectly (14mb) for 3 months and now it barely gets one yet they insist there is no fault on the line.

I want to get Virgin instead but their website says I can't get it despite them leafleting me to say I can and there being a cable point from the previous tenant.

 

[D4Danger]

A dangerous precedent that will no doubt be abused for years to come.

 

[teruterubozu]

Thought this thread was about:

seriously.

 

[BGBW]

Coming soon: Newzbin3.

A shame the judge was so shortsighted. This will only lead to bad things.

 

[Nemesis121]

People still using torrents??

 

[Übermatik]

So waitwaitwait... does this mean they can stop me from using bit torrent services such as Vuze?

 

[Dead Man]

Why are the ISP's expected to enforce a law? If it is illegal, surely that is the responsibility of the police?

 

[operon]

BT infinity is the the dogs bollocks one of the few things bt does right

 

[gerg]

Why are the ISP's expected to enforce a law?

Because they provide the public with the means to access these services?

If it is illegal, surely that is the responsibility of the police?

Not that I'm for this kind of censorship, but isn't this just like saying "If it is illegal to sell cocaine, isn't that the responsibility of the police? Why should newsagents be expected to enforce this law?"

 

[BGBW]

Why are the ISP's expected to enforce a law? If it is illegal, surely that is the responsibility of the police?

The police can't do a thing, we've got squatter's rights man.

Spoiler

Taking individuals to court over this is technically a civil matter so there will be no police involvement.

 

[Dead Man]

Because they provide the public with the means to access these services?



Not that I'm for this kind of censorship, but isn't this just like saying "If it is illegal to sell cocaine, isn't that the responsibility of the police? Why should newsagents be expected to enforce this law?"

I... don't understand your analogy.

The police can't do a thing, we've got squatter's rights man.

Spoiler

Taking individuals to court over this is technically a civil matter so there will be no police involvement.

So... Could a book publisher sue a photocopy manufacturer to get them to stop selling photocopiers to certain people? I just don't understand how it is the ISP's responsibility in any way.

LOL, looks like I don't understand much.

 

[Johnlenham]

You people talking about your 100mb's and your Infinitys are making me sick. None of that sci-fi shit in this here village, just good ol' fashioned 10mb (i usually get around 1 on a good day) broadband. ;_;

Ha yeah I think I top out at 7mb. No that it really affects me how fast the net is untill its split seven ways at once (pc/xbox/ipad/laptop/netbook/xbox/phone) net hooked family here

 

[gerg]

I... don't understand your analogy.

Sorry, yeah, I'm tired. It doesn't work.

 

[Furret]

Why are people comparing the prevention of piracy with censorship?

I don't understand.

 

[Dead Man]

Sorry, yeah, I'm tired. It doesn't work.

All good.

 

[Joel Was Right]

BT is a Tier 2 ISP. Tier 3 providers, such as BeThere, Sky Broadband, O2 and Virgin are customers of BT; they use BT's network infrastructure and local exchanges (although have their own equipment in these exchanges). I always thought that the targeting of BT by the anti-piracy groups was a calculated tact to try and impose these changes throughout the entire country without having to take each individual ISP to court.

 

[Dabanton]

And another head will grow elsewhere...

 

[BGBW]

Why are people comparing the prevention of piracy with censorship?

I don't understand.

They fear that now that one site has been blocked this will make way for other sites to be blocked, especially as the Digital Economy Act had dodgy wording that people feared could lead to censorship also.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

BT is a Tier 2 ISP. Tier 3 providers, such as BeThere, Sky Broadband, O2 and Virgin are customers of BT; they use BT's network infrastructure and local exchanges (although have their own equipment in these exchanges). I always thought that the targeting of BT by the anti-piracy groups was a calculated tact to try and impose these changes throughout the entire country without having to take each individual ISP to court.

Virgin has its own cable network separate to BT's copper network. Virgin recently upgraded to multiple bonded DOCSIS3 for 200Mb per household which should be rolling out over the coming months. The downside is that to access these services you must live in a cabled area, and since Virgin serve only 55% of the households in the UK it leaves a large proportion of people out in the cold.

 

[Furret]

They fear that now that one site has been blocked this will make way for other sites to be blocked, especially as the Digital Economy Act had dodgy wording that people feared could lead to censorship also.

Is there an example of it ever having led to censorship?

 

[Raydeen]

I'm on BT. It's OK. Overpriced....I'm just scared migrating to another telco. I love the way they make it seem as easy as "Signup and we'll do the rest" - when the reality is ALWAYS (from friends experience) - no signal, weeks of technical problems, things going wrong.

 

[operon]

day the internet died, next stop blocking website we don't agree with next

 

[zomgbbqftw]

day the internet died, next stop blocking website we don't agree with next

Yup. This is the problem with the DEA. Labour enforcing more stupid censorship, I hope the current government have more sense and see where this road leads to and repeal the stupid law.

 

[FlyingTeacup]

Yup. This is the problem with the DEA. Labour enforcing more stupid censorship, I hope the current government have more sense and see where this road leads to and repeal the stupid law.

thought the tories are more pro-business than labour?

 

[José Mourinho]

This is the one time I'm proudly proclaiming my membership of Virgin-GAF.

Count me in.

 

[Barberetti]

Virgin-GAF represent!

*pats cable modem lovingly*

 

[radios shipping overview]

I see Hollywood is attempting to go after Usenet in the only way it can.

 

[Prine]

Virgin here

Not long before they're ordered too id wager.

 

[Furret]

day the internet died, next stop blocking website we don't agree with next

What are you talking about?

What does censorship have to do with stopping people stealing things?

Is there an example in the UK of this sort of ban leading to censorship or are you all just secretly upset that being a thief is going to get that little bit harder?

 

[daviyoung]

BT is a Tier 2 ISP. Tier 3 providers, such as BeThere, Sky Broadband, O2 and Virgin are customers of BT; they use BT's network infrastructure and local exchanges (although have their own equipment in these exchanges). I always thought that the targeting of BT by the anti-piracy groups was a calculated tact to try and impose these changes throughout the entire country without having to take each individual ISP to court.

IIRC Virgin are a cable provider and BT doesn't have anything to do with that.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

thought the tories are more pro-business than labour?

Also more pro-civil liberties, along with the Lib Dems. Labour have always been the party of authoritarianism with their 90 day detentions, ID cards and DNA databases. Clegg needs to get on with the Great Repeal act instead of fannying about with Lords reform that will amount to nothing.

 

[king picollo]

There will always be other download sites.

 

[FlyingTeacup]

Also more pro-civil liberties, along with the Lib Dems. Labour have always been the party of authoritarianism with their 90 day detentions, ID cards and DNA databases. Clegg needs to get on with the Great Repeal act instead of fannying about with Lords reform that will amount to nothing.

cleggy is done with the tuition fee and vote reform debacles.

 

[Ronok]

What are you talking about?

What does censorship have to do with stopping people stealing things?

Is there an example in the UK of this sort of ban leading to censorship or are you all just secretly upset that being a thief is going to get that little bit harder?

I believe this is the first ban of this kind... Of course there isn't going to be a prior example. :-/

 

[Furret]

I believe this is the first ban of this kind... Of course there isn't going to be a prior example. :-/

So why are you all making these ridiculous statements about it being the end of the Internet?

 

[operon]

What are you talking about?

What does censorship have to do with stopping people stealing things?

Is there an example in the UK of this sort of ban leading to censorship or are you all just secretly upset that being a thief is going to get that little bit harder?

It's not going to get harder and will achieve little in the way in which they hope it will but forms a dangerous precedent. Theres plenty of site out there that poeple can use to pirate stuff and people can easily get around this

 

[operon]

So why are you all making these ridiculous statements about it being the end of the Internet?

This is a test case, with this precedent they will be going after virgin sky etc etc

 

[Furret]

It's not going to get harder and will achieve little in the way in which they hope it will but forms a dangerous precedent. Theres plenty of site out there that poeple can use to pirate stuff and people can easily get around this

So what's the dangerous precedent then? Trying to stop thieves or failing to do so?

 

[operon]

So what's the dangerous precedent then? Trying to stop thieves or failing to do so?

censorship and this in no way will stop thieves in no way

 

[marvelharvey]

Next up: BT blocks YouTube.com

 

[Dead Man]

Next up: BT blocks YouTube.com

One would have apply the same logic there, surely. Oh wait, one makes a lot of money.

 

[Ronok]

So why are you all making these ridiculous statements about it being the end of the Internet?

So what's the dangerous precedent then? Trying to stop thieves or failing to do so?

So you should only worry about something after it's happened?

 

[operon]

Next up: BT blocks YouTube.com

Then google

 

[-viper-]

I'm on Sky TV/Broadband/Phone package.

It's pretty good except the awful speeds. I have a paltry 8MB connection.

20MB or bust motherfuckers.

Too bad my area isn't one 'in dire need of highspeed connections'. I live in Windsor. But I want some fast internet :[

 

[Furret]

So you should only worry about something after it's happened?

You should only worry about something if there's any reason to suspect it will happen.

Which doesn't seem to be the case here.

 

[operon]

You should only worry about something if there's any reason to suspect it will happen.

Which doesn't seem to be the case here.

How is there no reason to worry here, I doubt it would take long for smart barrister to put a case together to get youtube banned what with the copyrighted stuff people put up without permission.