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Call of Duty 4, or What's Really Wrong with the Industry
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I don't think it's been done in a console FPS - but I didn't play much Battlefield, so it might be in there. It's well implemented though, and lets even casual gamers unlock items fairly quickly, so that's 'innovative' in a market where companies typically want you playing at least 100 hours to get the first bite of the carrot dangling out front.
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
What makes COD4 brilliant isn't that it does something new, it just takes the best stuff from a lot of other FPS's and puts it into one intensive action game with the feeling of the classic COD-nerve. And unlike Halo 3 it manages to feel fresh(er). Yeah, I said that.
I thought I was gonna hate COD4 since I was bored to death by COD 2 and COD3, but I didn't. I was hooked instantely.
EDIT: Obviously the OP has no clue about how well the multiplayer works -- which he himself states -- so I don't know how his rants about that is gonna be able to stand up. You rank up pretty easily just by playing it online. No need to be "hardcore" or whatever.
I thought I was gonna hate COD4 since I was bored to death by COD 2 and COD3, but I didn't. I was hooked instantely.
EDIT: Obviously the OP has no clue about how well the multiplayer works -- which he himself states -- so I don't know how his rants about that is gonna be able to stand up. You rank up pretty easily just by playing it online. No need to be "hardcore" or whatever.
Maybe that's why you liked it? Did you finish CoD2 & 3?
I don't think the reskinning of CoD2 is as offensive as the OP. It just gets a bit ridiculous when you see gaming media dealing out high 9s and 10s.
For those who says Halo 3 consists of as much recycled material: at least Bungie tried to move a storyline along. CoD4 is just the same old "kill the terrorists, no questions asked".
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Ceb said:
Yes, I finished both. While they were somewhat entertaining I started to dislike them more and more for all the little issues the games do have. The first COD I consider to be one of my favourite FPS's though.
Ceb said:
I'm a firm believer in being more critical and seeing a 6/10 as a good game as well. Nines and tens should only be given out once in a while, not every fucking month. But still I get the feeling of a nine while playing COD4, I had a complete blast while playing it online and the singleplayer on PC seemed really chaotic and fun.
That would be my fourth nine pointer this year if it manages to be as fun as I hope it's gonna be (skate, Valkyrie Profile 2 and Okami being my other ones -- both Bioshock and Halo 3 are eights in my book). No tens. It's a bit ironic. I always whine about people giving out nines to easily, and yet two of my three nines so far are games which doesn't really push the envelope gamplay wise but stay put and try to excel in a traditional way.
Ceb said:
Uh, yeah, it's not something that really bothers me. You're a pawn in a war anyways. It would only end up riduculous with some kind of cheesy storyline during the fighting. I'm not playing the Halo-games for their story either. It had potential (that being the stuff abput the forerunners and Halo), but I think the story overall is a bit lame (flood, Master Chief, Truth and so on).
I've thought previous COD games have been far too linear, used too many triggers, too many scripted sequences, too many infinite spawn points and have featured incredibly stupid enemies bobbing up and down behind crates.
Sure they look nice, but there comes a point when you realise that all the smoke and noise is for naught and you're running a linear path fighting stupid automatons.
The hype for COD4 seems insane, but if it's just a sexed up COD1/2/3 and suffers those same fundamental issues I really don't see myself buying it.
Sure they look nice, but there comes a point when you realise that all the smoke and noise is for naught and you're running a linear path fighting stupid automatons.
The hype for COD4 seems insane, but if it's just a sexed up COD1/2/3 and suffers those same fundamental issues I really don't see myself buying it.
Terrorists?Ceb said:
No story?
You don't sound like someone who's played through CoD4 SP. =)
It's been said already, but The Bog is a very traditionally-CoD level. If you're worried that this means the entire SP campaign has no variety beyond that, there are some previews (and soon, reviews) that might calm your fears.
Problem is, you'll be getting a huge backlash from gamers if you start dealing out 6/10 to good, entertaining games. It's because the convention is that only games scoring 8/10 or higher are considered good.
Trust me, we've tried turning the scoring system around at our site in just the same way (6/10 is decent, 8/10 is very good, 9/10 is something exclusive), but it just doesn't fly with the community. They simply cannot wrap their head around the concept that a game scoring 6/10 is worth your time and money.
Even a fairly respected medium like EDGE gets a lot of backlash for their scoring system (which is exactly like you described). People just don't understand.
MickeyKnox
Member
That's because a 10 point grading system is completely useless and the sooner we move to an industry wide standard of only 5 points the better off we'll be.R0nn said:
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
A 1-5 scale is absurd. They need to move to letter grades - A, B, C, D, F - in order to fix this.MickeyKnox said:
Opus Angelorum
Member
aeolist said:
I'm sorry but you must have very little knowledge of guns if you think they all 'feel' the same.
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
R0nn said:
Yes, but since readers are very much like reviewers -- retards in 9/10 cases -- why even care about some little fanboys uproar? Then again; I don't review games so I don't have any problem there.
But yeah, the site/magazine, whatever it is that reviews the games, need to stay consistent with the markings. It won't work if only one guy is trying to use it fully, everyone there needs to do it.
R0nn said:
Well I guess you need to push it for a while, so they get use to it. Write nicer reviews about 6/10-games or something. They aren't that bad if they get the "good" kind of 6/10.
EDGE sometimes get some crap from people who doesn't know any better. But they're probably not reading the magazine anyways.
MickeyKnox said:
Agreed.
underfooter said:
That's just...
You still kill aliens in Halo 3 = IT'S THE SAME AS HALO 2
Nevermind about the whole equipment button, the support weapons or the scale that has more than tripled. You still shoot aliens though and they haven't added any "ZOMG innovative" gimmicks which the marketing can rub in your face.
The difference between Halo 2 and Halo 3 is bigger than the difference betwenn the first two games, it plays completely different.
Funny that you used MM as an example, probably because it's just a spin off that plays completely different than any other Zelda, before or after. It's not like those changes persisted and were used again in the sequels.
rollingstart
Banned
I dont care much if it is revolutionary or not, I had more fun with the multiplayer beta than I did with other multiplayer shooters on the 360 in quite a lot of time.
bumpkin
Member
Just because you don't like something or the series has gotten stale to you, it doesn't mean it's "what's really wrong with the industry". If you don't like the game, don't buy it. Stop playing it. Most importantly, stop bitching about it; especially under the guise of a self-righteous "I'm looking out for the good of the industry" angle.
I think the game's fucking slick, and I'm probably going to buy it. I'm part of the problem, and I couldn't feel any better about it.
I think the game's fucking slick, and I'm probably going to buy it. I'm part of the problem, and I couldn't feel any better about it.
Just felt the need to point out Portal might be a first person game with a portal "gun", but I'd never call it a first person shooter.
And about the only thing I can wholeheartedly agree with in the OP is that more developers (not FPS developers) need to aim for making products as clever as Portal.
Call of Duty 4 will be fun (demo was way cool) but it's not revolutionary. Is it screwing up our beloved industry? I don't think so.
And about the only thing I can wholeheartedly agree with in the OP is that more developers (not FPS developers) need to aim for making products as clever as Portal.
Call of Duty 4 will be fun (demo was way cool) but it's not revolutionary. Is it screwing up our beloved industry? I don't think so.
Joe Molotov
Member
aeolist said:
Awesome review.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Because it's about time they change Zelda?Striker said:
Fallout-NL
Member
Proelite said:
The singleplayer demo, yes. One really doesn't need to see a lot more levels than that to see it's fundamentally archaic.
I'm reserving judgement on the multiplayer part of the game.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Sol.. said:
I don't want to derail the thread, but the guns in Counter-Strike are far from realistic.
Exactly. Industry journalist's right now are so backwards, and off-base with whats actually happening in the gaming industry right now, they have rendered themselves useless.Kyoufu said:
If one were to look at sales right now, and then take a look at videogame magazines, podcast's, e.t.c., one would have to wonder what fucking industry they are covering.
It has never been like this before. Alot of people are acting like certain portions of the industry(The biggest ones right now wich is completly confusing)dont exist, or are somehow attacking and killing said industry.
How does this make any sesne twords what your talking about? The big deal is bieng made out of the exact same thing, when the entire industry should be about moving forward, and doing different things.
Never is, and never will be.
With all that bieng said, this is a day one purchase for me.
krypt0nian
Banned
Alien Bob said:
Done in one. Some of us don't want to balance on a board this or any gen.
Same people rave about the endless Zelda do-overs every time though.
SaggyMonkey
Member
Scotch said:
Which levels in the SP specifically?
Beer Monkey
Member
beerbelly said:
That's a good comparison. If CoD4 is bad for the industry and hobby, so is Ratchet and Clank Future.
Personally, I eagerly await both.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
One of the devs came on the boards yesterday and said
Not to mention that since it was a demo, the detail was probably locked at medium like in UT3 and Crysis. You'd expect after all the endless bitching people spit out over those games, they'd be able to figure out that the final games aren't going to look like that.
But then again, this GAF.
I've only played the multiplayer, and from what I can tell the game is going to be great. If COD4 is what's wrong with the industry, I'd really like to see what games you're throwing $50 at this fall that make it 'right'.
DKo5 said:This is the downside we deal with when we ran with showing that level in the demo. The Bog is definitely a COD level, it feels like COD, plays like COD, and sounds like COD. If we were to have the demo be, say, a stealthier mission we could have easily turned off tons of previously loyal fans because they'd say, "WHERE IS MY COD?!?!". As for the AA gun, that really was just a nod to the previous CODs. I can guarantee you that you won't be running around blowing up AA gun after AA gun throughout COD4
Not to mention that since it was a demo, the detail was probably locked at medium like in UT3 and Crysis. You'd expect after all the endless bitching people spit out over those games, they'd be able to figure out that the final games aren't going to look like that.
But then again, this GAF.
I've only played the multiplayer, and from what I can tell the game is going to be great. If COD4 is what's wrong with the industry, I'd really like to see what games you're throwing $50 at this fall that make it 'right'.
I don't know why everyone assumes when someone complains about creative stagnation they're promoting the Wii.
There's a difference between saying "ALL GAMES ARE BETTER WITH MOTION CONTROLS" and saying "Hey, we're in a creative rut. We make the same shit year after year, and year after year everyone on this board spends hundred of dollars to rebuy the same crap. It's a horrible cycle and I'm sort of sick of it. Where is all the genuinely new stuff?"
You can make new and exciting stuff on any platform.
There's a difference between saying "ALL GAMES ARE BETTER WITH MOTION CONTROLS" and saying "Hey, we're in a creative rut. We make the same shit year after year, and year after year everyone on this board spends hundred of dollars to rebuy the same crap. It's a horrible cycle and I'm sort of sick of it. Where is all the genuinely new stuff?"
You can make new and exciting stuff on any platform.