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Can anyone name one good reason for race-based affirmative action?
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I think AA kind of cheapened my college acceptance. I got into a pretty good school in my state, but I always wonder if I still would have gotten in if I weren't black but had the same grades. I also sometimes wonder if I should get assistance based on race. Both my parents have masters degrees and I grew up in a mostly white suburb. I really appreciate the assistance, especially considering my family's unfortunate financial problems, but I also think that income based AA is more fair.
The Faceless Master
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can anyone name one good reason for racism?
Absinthe said:
I managed close to a 4.0 through community college and will be attending Cal Berkley next semester. I aced my Calculus 1,2, & 3 classes as well as Linear Algebra. The same goes for the majority of my upper classes. You can take your substandard human bullshit and shove it.
As does race, apparently, which is where this comes in: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111307D.shtmlGaborn said:
I think what Affirmative Action is addressing in this case is the fact that 58% is a pathetic number, that in the (sadly) increasingly (not decreasingly) rare case where a black student wants to get into law school, the school should jump on that opportunity out of a sense of civic duty, and that even if an AA concern kept those white women out of school in favor of the black students, they probably went on to make more money than them in the long run due to the income gap.
In short, cry me a river, hos.
Oh, they lost, by the way.
Anywhere on Earth? Obviously not, but since that's pretty irrelevant on a macro level, allow me to laugh at you. :lol
Propagandhim
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Dali said:
Well, to be fair, I'm coming to the conclusion based on what I understand graduate schools to evaluate for potential candidates. As one poster mentioned, it's all anecdotal. I have no strict statements from Universities detailing why they picked one of my buds over the other, so you're right - there may be quite a bit more than what I'm considering. I am trying to be neutral in the argument, but to be candid, I feel a bit more for my white friend whom I feel got burned pretty badly.
Lets get this straight though: I'm coming to the conclusion based on all the evidence on the table. I'm not trying to find evidence for conclusions I want - hence the petition for someone to come up with reasons for race-based affirmative action. I even noted some good ideas.
I will readily concede that I don't know all of the information between my two friends, but from what I do know, it seems a little off. For all I know, there could be a legitimate and non-racially based reason the less academically strong candidate got in. Any and all input is welcome. I'm judging based on raw grades and standardized test scores, and anecdotal evidence of both of them being competent interviewers and pretty personable people. There could be a lot i'm missing. I can readily admit that.
Absinthe (Permed)
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harSon said:
Then you clearly didn't get accepted on affirmative action. Either that, or your little spiel is a complete fabrication to build yourself up. It's either/or and I thank you for proving my point.
Absinthe said:
Companies rarely hire overqualified people and also WOMEN benifited the most out of AA. Also somethimes people with lower stats of the same race get accepted over people with higher stats because of who they know. Also what graduate school did they apply to and what program.
bjork pretty much said what I was thinking. There shouldn't be any blame on people today for problems that happened decades ago.
I can understand the rationale for Affirmative action, but people should realize that you're merely replacing one form of discrimination with another.
I can understand the rationale for Affirmative action, but people should realize that you're merely replacing one form of discrimination with another.
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terrene said:
That "White Privilege" article that was posting is NOTHING but generalizations (i.e. the whole field of sociology).
terrene said:
Which of course is beside the point. Those women were denied a better law school and a better chance, even though they were more qualified because they were white.
Oh, and nice sexism by the way, it really just shows how classy you are and what a nice, friendly person you are.
:lol :lol ummm no. You're looking at UofM's official response, of course they want to make it as positive as possible. the Undergrad program mostly won the ability to use race, the Graduate program lost that privilege, at least as long as the University accepts state and federal funding.
The Faceless Master
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kill all the white people?HolyStar said:
HolyStar said:
It's quite simple, but not everyone will go for it:
We crossbreed until everyone is a mixed hottie like Mariah Carey or Derek Jeter. No more of this "I am black" "I am white" stuff. Everyone's kinda tan. It's meeting halfway.
The Faceless Master said:
You wish! :lol
HolyStar said:
Well, stopping discrimination based on race in education would be a nice start. Give everyone an equal opportunity to be considered for the schools, and see what happens. You can't force people ultimately to hire fairly though, at least not in any meaningful or enforceable way. Cut off schools that discriminate on admissions though, as well as cutting off corporate welfare to any business with discrimatory hiring practices.
Systems_id
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Oblivion said:
"You had a 400-year head start muthafucka!"
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread.:lol
Propagandhim
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bjork said:
Good idea commander. I choose Jessica Alba as my minority vessel.
ATTENTION: EVERYONE SECURE A MINORITY VESSEL ASAP.
Did you just call Sociology, on the whole, "nothing but generalizations?" :lolAbsinthe said:
No. I see hard data about income gaps and trends and I'm using it as a basis for an argument. Well, "dressing like a douche" was my bad, but I couldn't resist.
Er, it's not exactly "beside the point" in a thread about AA, is it? No, I wouldn't think so.
...Also, was saying they were denied entrance because they were "right" a Freudian Slip?
j/k
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No, not even close. Neither program lost the ability to use race as a "factor" for admissions, and they ONLY thing that got shut down was their "points system" that gave, for example, "20 points for being black." Calling that a defeat of AA is a stretch by anyone's standards.
Systems_id
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I dunno, I wasn't trying to make a point. That particular segment is always the very first thing that pops in my mind when AA is brought up. Also, I concur with your "mixed hottie" initiative and would like to a drafting of this brilliant policy.bjork said:
harSon said:
I think its the hip-hop culture to blame. Look at a lot of male PH.D/M.D black professionals about 70% of them are african immigrants.
Like Chris Rock doesn't approve AA how it is used today he said that if a black and white person of equal stats applied the black person should be picked.
I'm not sure if I got to go to school because of my race and I'll be horrified to find out that I am. Honestly, AA should be based on financial status and nothing more.
Also, to the person who said only the best and brightest should be allowed entry into college let me ask you something: If two people apply to Yale with both a 4.0 GPA and brilliant references except one when to Beverly Hills High and the other went to Crenshaw HS who should be accepted?
Also, to the person who said only the best and brightest should be allowed entry into college let me ask you something: If two people apply to Yale with both a 4.0 GPA and brilliant references except one when to Beverly Hills High and the other went to Crenshaw HS who should be accepted?
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weepy said:
Wouldn't it them go to what their extracurriculars were? I mean, if the Crenshaw person was in clubs and helped kids and the BHH guy was snorting coke and laying by the pool, Crenshaw. If the BHH guy was in the clubs and whatever and the Crenshaw person perfected their penmanship by writing on buildings with sharpies, then the BHH guy.
It really works both ways.
Propagandhim said:
well, official studies conducted by the schools themselves have shown that without affirmative action top schools like MIT and harvard would be predominantly one group (asian) and that would be unfair to everyone else because asians were enslaved and colonized and work really hard and they are the richest economic group in the US. how can it not make sense? just understand it is to protect the poor and minority groups.
Absinthe (Permed)
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weepy said:
I would look at things like community service, job experience, SAT scores, extracurricular activities, etc. I might even conduct an interview. One could also examine transcripts and see who had the more impressive list of classes taken. There are many things to come to a fair, balanced conclusion.
I guess the next question then that he would ask would be to assume that both the black and white guy had virtually identical GPAs, SAT scores, and Extracurriculars. If such a case would happen, I'd simply suggest flipping a coin. But that's just me.
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Oblivion said:
That would be incredibly rare and I really couldn't see that happening more than a couple of times. In that case, I would either try to accept both or accept neither.
It is safe to assume that with your example, both of those students have impressive applications, resumes, etc. In that case, both would likely be accepted. Most colleges will not turn away an all star student.
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