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Can Destiny 2 PC outsell PUBG PC?

Borderland 2 moved 8 million copies on PC.

I probably wouldn't expect it to rocket past that in the first year, like PUBG is going to.
 
SlickShoes said:
I think a lot of people on this forum over estimate how popular Destiny is likely to be.

It also has the problems of being a sequel, which may not affect initial sales but if people end up fed up of the formula quicker this time then sales will drop off much faster.

It will do well on console because there isn't much like it but I'm personally not sure where it fits in on PC, it's not an MMO, it's not as good a loot game as many PC games, it's not as good an FPS as many PC FPS games. No serious competitive FPS players are going to take this up as their main game.

In short, it's not going to do as well as PUBG lifetime, nevermind this year.
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Borderlands and Warframe are probably the closest games to it and they are both very successful on PC. It not being as good a loot game as say what Diablo 3 or Path of Exile is subjective and not really a comparison cause they play very different. As far as better FPS go there aren't that many popular FPS games on PC aside from Battlefield, CSGO and Overwatch and none of those are based around co op and loot.

Nirolak said:
Borderland 2 moved 8 million copies on PC.

I probably wouldn't expect it to rocket past that in the first year, like PUBG is going to.
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Wow..That is a lot more than I expected but it did go on sale massively many times.
 
Turin Turambar said:
Come one, game isn't out, we don't know if it's going to be an Overwatch or a Call of Duty.

Not every AAA FPS sells tons on pc. Some of them don't connect with the audience.

I say 3-4 millions in the first year. Which already would be very good, but well below PUBG
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Analysts expect 3m in the first 3 months tho. :)
 
Destiny 2 will have a solid population on PC but the comparison is sort of unfair from the start. PUBG is lightning in a bottle while Destiny 2 is just...more Destiny. It's kind of the "so what?" factor.
 
Hard to tell, but not a fair comparison. One is PC exclusive for some time, while the other is a delayed PC release. The PC version won't be doomed, but it'll likely not come close to either the PS4 or xbox one communities in size.
 
PUBG benefits from the low entry cost, the sandbox random nature making it the perfect streaming/YouTube game, ease of play, and it's filling a hole that DayZ, ArmA 3, and H1Z1 King of the Kill couldn't hold onto due to mismanagement, lack of solid updates, being UI unfriendly and/or a combination of all three.

The biggest issue that I see keeping it way from that kind of success is that Destiny 2 on PC isn't even handled by Bungie directly. It's a port overseen by Vicarious Visions. While they are a fine, competent developer and the PC version looks feature rich enough, there's no way the support and updates will come as fast as the console versions. It'll be an afterthought, and that'll push players away.
 
SlickShoes said:
I think a lot of people on this forum over estimate how popular Destiny is likely to be.

It also has the problems of being a sequel, which may not affect initial sales but if people end up fed up of the formula quicker this time then sales will drop off much faster.

It will do well on console because there isn't much like it but I'm personally not sure where it fits in on PC, it's not an MMO, it's not as good a loot game as many PC games, it's not as good an FPS as many PC FPS games. No serious competitive FPS players are going to take this up as their main game.

In short, it's not going to do as well as PUBG lifetime, nevermind this year.
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Hmm I dunno, the closest thing to Destiny on PC is Borderlands and Destiny is like that but on a much grander scale and with PvP, I am sorry if I'm not right on that as I have never played it but Borderlands sold pretty well and was pretty popular on PC for a good time.

Grindy/loot games usually do well on PC and I think Destiny 2 will do amazing on PC, the real question will be the longevity of the game on the platform and that will ultimately come down to the support from Activision/Bungie, if it's not good it will probably die out in less than a year.
 
Niceguydan8 said:
Which market?
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PC.

I think 10 million is a tall order. Is Destiny enough to pull players away from CS GO, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, and PUBG? When game's like Lawbreakers and Quake Champions, which arguably play more to PC audiences aren't doing gangbusters?

I don't see it happening. I'm sure it'll do well. Just not 10 million well.
 
Nah. PUBG's PC exclusive at the moment. It wouldn't have the numbers it's got on Steam if it had released on all three platforms simultaneously like Destiny 2 is.

Actually, wait, scratch that. Destiny 2 will probably have significantly less numbers on PC because it's always releasing more than a month after consoles.

ShinUltramanJ said:
PC.

I think 10 million is a tall order. Is Destiny enough to pull players away from CS GO, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, and PUBG? When game's like Lawbreakers and Quake Champions, which arguably play more to PC audiences aren't doing gangbusters?

I don't see it happening. I'm sure it'll do well. Just not 10 million well.
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Personally I hope it's not competing with the other big shooters. We've been starved for an FPS lootfest on PC, because the first Destiny never released on PC, and the last Borderlands game wasn't all that great.

Path of Exile and Diablo III are huge on PC. I see it as being more similar to those if anything.

Edit: This is more in regards to the Lawbreakers and Quake Champions comment.
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
PC.

I think 10 million is a tall order. Is Destiny enough to pull players away from CS GO, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, and PUBG? When game's like Lawbreakers and Quake Champions, which arguably play more to PC audiences aren't doing gangbusters?

I don't see it happening. I'm sure it'll do well. Just not 10 million well.
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This is no longer true. Twitch based arena shooters aren't really big on PC anymore and haven't been for a long time.
 
Vince DiCola said:
What does this even mean? Console shooter mechanics?
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D2 will likely be tuned around gamepads, first and foremost. The first title even had stats affecting aim assist. Even when you re-tool the game with features for the PC port, you can't remove the basic identity of the game. So the game will be closer to CoD and modern Battlefield (titles that are dying/not popular on PC) in feel rather than CS:GO, PUBG, Overwatch, Doom, Prey, etc. The way ADS is implemented in particular is a killer. Yes, PUBG has it, too, but it's different because it's got a military sim-like feel carrying over from the Arma series. I'm not saying it's better or worse in general, but it is somewhat sub-optimal when you play with mouse+keyboard just like PUBG is sub-optimal on XBox controllers at the moment. I think D2 PC could benefit a lot from having hip-fire centric gameplay, personally.
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
PC.

I think 10 million is a tall order. Is Destiny enough to pull players away from CS GO, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, and PUBG? When game's like Lawbreakers and Quake Champions, which arguably play more to PC audiences aren't doing gangbusters?

I don't see it happening. I'm sure it'll do well. Just not 10 million well.
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I don't really think that's the crowd Destiny will be taking players from. Sure a lot of FPS fans will play the game at launch, that's a given but honestly Destiny 2 will be taking people from Warframe and games like that.

It is not competing with the games you mentioned in my opinion, just because they are all first person shooting games does not put them in the same category, people come to those games for different reasons, the only ones listed there that play alike are Siege with CS:GO and TF2 with Overwatch.
 
This game might be the reason I end up building a high end PC. So if it can convince someone like me who never got into PC gaming, then it's definitely possible.
 
CountAntonius said:
This is no longer true. Twitch based arena shooters aren't really big on PC anymore and haven't been for a long time.
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Sadly that may be true. But what I really meant was the PC community enjoying shooters with a high skill ceiling. I'd say the skill ceiling on Lawbreakers and Quake Champions will likely dwarf Destiny 2.

But as others have mentioned, we haven't really had a "loot based" shooter. I still don't think demand will be ten million high, but if Destiny 2 packs a meaty single player campaign like Borderlands, then it's chances are better.
 
I think people underestimate how big it is that Destiny 2 is on the Blizzard launcher. Everyone who plays Overwatch/Diablo3/Any Blizzard game is going to constantly see a big Destiny 2 icon on their launcher every time they play a Blizzard game.. It will probably do pretty damned well. Still, I don't know if it will do as well as PUBG since that is a phenomenon.
 
Nekrono said:
I don't really think that's the crowd Destiny will be taking players from. Sure a lot of FPS fans will play the game at launch, that's a given but honestly Destiny 2 will be taking people from Warframe and games like that.

It is not competing with the games you mentioned in my opinion, just because they are all first person shooting games does not put them in the same category, people come to those games for different reasons, the only ones listed there that play alike are Siege with CS:GO and TF2 with Overwatch.
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So much wrong with this post.
 
ctw0e said:
It's certainly possible, but I doubt it.

It's 2x the price, 2 months behind the consoles, locked to Battle.net, not popular on Twitch and really not that special compared to the other shooters that are thriving.
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I agree with all this but the Twitch part. Destiny does very well on Twitch. Not a ton of viewers currently as there has been no new content in a long time
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
Sadly that may be true. But what I really meant was the PC community enjoying shooters with a high skill ceiling. I'd say the skill ceiling on Lawbreakers and Quake Champions will likely dwarf Destiny 2.

But as others have mentioned, we haven't really had a "loot based" shooter. I still don't think demand will be ten million high, but if Destiny 2 packs a meaty single player campaign like Borderlands, then it's chances are better.
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The fact that it's loot based and co op kinda makes the skill ceiling less important. I played Borderlands 2 like a madman and found the combat to be abysmal from an FPS standpoint. I think the game will do very well. Weather it will do PUBG well is up to a lot of factors that are hard to determine right now. PUBG is an incredibly streamer friendly game and that is whats carrying it's sales.
 
No, won't even reach a third of PUBG sales by the time it releases, Destiny has a great following but PC is a different animal gamers want cheaper pricing since our hardware cost a lot more, CS:GO and PUBG sold a ton because of pricing, I want to play Destiny 2 PC but fuck that price...
 
I'd be very surprised if it reached 2 milj the first year.
Maybe with deep discounts 2.5 lifetime.

1 milj seems about ok for the first months.Based on nothing but gut feeling.
I cant think of very many good reason to care about the game tbh.
 
Velurian said:
I'd be very surprised if it reached 2 milj the first year.
Maybe with deep discounts 2.5 lifetime.

1 milj seems about ok for the first months.Based on nothing but gut feeling.
I cant think of very many good reason to care about the game tbh.
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It's going to do well over 2 million on PC.

We will never know exact numbers though due to no Steam version
 
Rhaknar said:
Hasnt PUBG sell like 8 million copies or something stupid? So no, no it cannot.

Did even Overwatch sell that much on PC? nd if you think Destiny 2 will be more popular than Overwatch was, well...

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If only Bungie had designed its characters with porn in mind...
 
DigSCCP said:
Wait this prediction is saying Destiny 2 will sell 2 million in 3 months on PS4 and Xbox combined? LOL

@On Topic : No, it wont.
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Digital sales prediction. It's not counting the majority physical sales for consoles. And PC sales are basically digital-only so it's not too far fetched it will hit 3 mill in 3 months. Probably 5 mill lifetime maximum is my prediction (Borderlands 2 did 8 mill but I don't expect D2 to get deep discounts within its lifetime).
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
PC.

I think 10 million is a tall order. Is Destiny enough to pull players away from CS GO, Team Fortress 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, and PUBG? When game's like Lawbreakers and Quake Champions, which arguably play more to PC audiences aren't doing gangbusters?

I don't see it happening. I'm sure it'll do well. Just not 10 million well.
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I mean the part of the game that seems to be the most successful is not even competitive, so I don't see those examples being very effective. I'm sure some people will do a bit of both, some people will binge hard on Destiny then go back, and some will stick with the gear treadmill in Destiny. I think it'll be fine in that regard.

Competitive multiplayer? Now that's a different story, I don't think it'll pull people away from those games for it's competitive multiplayer.

I don't think it'll sell 10 million, but I also don't think that is indicative of an over saturated market, at all.
 
No. Why should it?

PUBG is a brilliant take on the FPS genre that went viral and became a smash hit. It is cheap and has a fantastic core gameplay concept that hasn't really been seen before.
Destiny on the other hand is just more Destiny. A known quantity. It'll sell millions for sure, but it won't be able to remotely replicate the kind of zeitgeist we're seeing around PUBG right now.

And i'm glad. This industry needs fresh ideas badly. I love the fact that just a great game concept can rocket you towards being the biggest deal in gaming in a few months.
 
Not even close. I could be wrong, but I'll be surprised if it tops 2 million by the end of the year on PC. Launching a month late on PC is a good way of ensuring the fanbase never amounts to much.

If they launched day and date with console? Might have a chance.
 
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