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Can Nintendo really turn the Wii U around?
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No, the guy who will replace Iwata when they fire him.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'm optimistic. Generally, people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, and at the moment, there's a distinct lack of them - and the two Nintendo games it does have probably aren't the best titles to sell the system (a mini game collection and a 2D Mario, released three months after NSMB2 appeared on the 3DS.)
Before this year ends, the Wii U will have 82 level DLC for NSMBU, plus follow ups to Donkey Kong Country, Warioware, Pikmin, Wii Party, Wii Fit, plus a 3D Mario - all sequels to games that sold millions.
Before this year ends, the Wii U will have 82 level DLC for NSMBU, plus follow ups to Donkey Kong Country, Warioware, Pikmin, Wii Party, Wii Fit, plus a 3D Mario - all sequels to games that sold millions.
Holy shit, this really paints a picture: http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_GameCube_games
The GameCube was getting releases constantly, even if they weren't big games, it was being supported. The Wii U is not even getting that. I guess that can be attributed to the fact that small/mid-tier publishers/developers got pushed out of the picture this generation, but regardless, the Wii U is barely getting any support compared to the GCN, and the GCN itself didn't get a great amount of support at all.
The GameCube was getting releases constantly, even if they weren't big games, it was being supported. The Wii U is not even getting that. I guess that can be attributed to the fact that small/mid-tier publishers/developers got pushed out of the picture this generation, but regardless, the Wii U is barely getting any support compared to the GCN, and the GCN itself didn't get a great amount of support at all.
Randolph Freelander
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You're seeing the $149 bump. That was the month Xbox and PS2 went to $199 and GC to $149.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
Given the attach rate it has with the Wii U, it's the best system seller they have currently. You really think Mario Kart and Smash Bros are going to help that much?
Steve Youngblood
Member
To answer the OP, I'm pretty skeptical. In my mind, the path to a glorious relaunch involved Mario, Mario Kart, and Retro's game being some kind of technical marvel that could highlight the Wii U's technical accomplishments, and all ready by Black Friday. And as far as I'm concerned, none of that has transpired. If there's not a big price drop, then I worry that the big guns will be too late. If they don't have a big holiday, I fear the recovery effort may prove to be too late.
Define turn around. 20 million in sales in five years from where it is today would be a significant turnaround.
I think they can probably accomplish something like this. Their games still have an undeniable appeal to a very predictable core audience, but the price is wrong and they will have less support than ever. One is correctable and one is not.
Nintendo has really failed to articulate a vision for this machine-- what's unique about it, how its innovations change meaningfully how you play...essentially, I guess,why you need to have it. I personally feel they haven't articulated this because there is/was no thought about this at Nintendo while building the system, but they can still come up with that pitch. E3 wasn't particularly convincing.
Nintendo has become more conservative than ever with the console and I think it's really working against them.
I think they can probably accomplish something like this. Their games still have an undeniable appeal to a very predictable core audience, but the price is wrong and they will have less support than ever. One is correctable and one is not.
Nintendo has really failed to articulate a vision for this machine-- what's unique about it, how its innovations change meaningfully how you play...essentially, I guess,why you need to have it. I personally feel they haven't articulated this because there is/was no thought about this at Nintendo while building the system, but they can still come up with that pitch. E3 wasn't particularly convincing.
Nintendo has become more conservative than ever with the console and I think it's really working against them.
baggagelizard
Banned
eh, if they can turn profit on it and the 3DS continues to be a success (which it will) , they'll most likely be fine.
They would most likely prefer to have that casual audience money, but that audience is a Harsh Attention Deficient Mistress that's sworn apple allegiance for now..
They would most likely prefer to have that casual audience money, but that audience is a Harsh Attention Deficient Mistress that's sworn apple allegiance for now..
Steve Youngblood
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And Donkey Kong will be?
Seeing how SSB is more of a system seller yes, and Mario Kart Wii selling 34 million units, it gives me some confidence.
I never said it was.
It takes software and a steady stream of it to generate interest in a system. Gamecube launched in a much better situation than the Wii U did with Mega titles like Rogue Squadron, Smash Bros etc. all in the launch window.
Nintendo is coming out strong for the rest of the year and its then time for them to get serious on addressing the public on the Wii U and why they have to have one.
Nintendo is coming out strong for the rest of the year and its then time for them to get serious on addressing the public on the Wii U and why they have to have one.
Randolph Freelander
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I think Wii U is done. Unless they can find the next Wii Sports (not Wii Sports), they are back to selling systems to the diehards. Will that ultimate number be higher or lower than GameCube loyalists? It's difficult to say, but it's easy enough to see that it's projecting lower based off results right now.
But stick a fork in its chances of repeating Wii's success or even half of it. It's over.
But stick a fork in its chances of repeating Wii's success or even half of it. It's over.
KillerTravis
Banned
I've never seen a CEO being fired for having a loss in such a small amount of time. Square Enix has been failing the entire generation and it was just until recently that their CEO was fired.
Aeriscloud
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Paracelsus
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The Gamecube had the same first party titles and a small handful of heavy third party exclusives. It did nothing.
Mango The Magician
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Maybe. I don't see why anything couldn't at least do decently.
Spieler Eins
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Not under Iwata and other current higher ups. Even after this failure, he just keeps randomly throwing shit from last gen with seemingly little effort on to this thing, hoping it might work again (why did we need that gamepad again?). Now that we know that the he even wastes his best teams with this clueless strategy, I lost hope for a revival. The first Nintendo games that actually feel fresh and like next gen will come out about one and a half years after launch and they already do a poor job of marketing those (Just give ,,X'' a fucking name already, how do you want to build hype without that?), but I imagine they will also not benefit from this overpriced new controller at all.
His knowledge of how to handle a handheld in Japan isn't enough anymore.
His knowledge of how to handle a handheld in Japan isn't enough anymore.
Jack Scofield
Member
Don't the Nintendo hardcore (the people who care about Zelda and Mario) already own the system at this point? I don't see it selling gangbusters the second a new Mario game is released.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Wow, I guess that shows Nintendo hasn't shipped new Wii U's yet from the original stock? If they have, they should get that update pre-installed by now on all the new Wii U's. Someone new just bought your system Nintendo, why punish them?
I don't think it matters. At least, not to Nintendo, and not to me, really. As long as Nintendo continues to push their IP onto it, it'll do what it's been intended to do.
They may have kinda hoped for third party support, but it's not strictly necessary. They may sell vastly less than the other two, but it'll still be a success because it'll be the only place you can play Nintendo games the way they want you to play them.
I will eventually pick one up, after it's built up a bigger library and had a price drop, and I will enjoy it for those experiences that I can obtain only on a Nintendo platform, exactly the same as I have since the Gamecube days, and even the N64 days in a lot of regards.
Nintendo isn't going to abandon the Wii U. They will trickle out their games and I'll enjoy it along with my PC and, possibly, my PS4. It will never be considered a 'success' in the main stream, and it doesn't need to be.
They may have kinda hoped for third party support, but it's not strictly necessary. They may sell vastly less than the other two, but it'll still be a success because it'll be the only place you can play Nintendo games the way they want you to play them.
I will eventually pick one up, after it's built up a bigger library and had a price drop, and I will enjoy it for those experiences that I can obtain only on a Nintendo platform, exactly the same as I have since the Gamecube days, and even the N64 days in a lot of regards.
Nintendo isn't going to abandon the Wii U. They will trickle out their games and I'll enjoy it along with my PC and, possibly, my PS4. It will never be considered a 'success' in the main stream, and it doesn't need to be.
BishopLamont
Banned
20 million in five years? You're really lowballing Nintendo.
Did you even read the list of games? Wii U's first year lineup easily outshines Gamecube's.
Manmademan
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Thanks to Aquamarine for the graph
The Wii U is falling farther and farther behind the Gamecube in terms of sales after release. I don't think that Wind Waker HD, SM3DW, and a price drop can help salvage the system. The Wii U could very well end up with only 15-20 million sales when all is said and done.
What do you guys think?
If Nintendo continues to support it until it's time for next-NEXT gen, sure. If Ninty kills it early, no.
Of course, with Microsoft unexpectedly screwing up, this could be a boon for nintendo. stay tuned.
not really. 20 million in five years is GC numbers, and right now the WiiU doesn't have anywhere near the support the GC did. there will be no exclusive RE deals coming along to boost sales here.
Randolph Freelander
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He's giving them GameCube numbers. Take where they are now, add 20 million. That seems generous based on current trends.
Shikamaru Ninja
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A lot of Nintendo fans do not own a Wii U. The term Nintendo fan is hard to gauge, you are talking about people who had affinity for Nintendo at some point in the last 30+ years or so. Some like Metroid. Some like F-Zero. Some like Star Fox. Some like Zelda. Some like Punch-Out. Some like Excite. Not everyone is thrilled about the Fall line up.
I think the Wii U will outsell the GameCube. Even if it's userbase is just children and pro-family consumers. Also, the hardcore Nintendo fans who haven't left pissed off yet.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
Smash Bros is more of a system seller? Really? And tell me, how do you quantify this? Especially when NSMB Wii sold far more copies than Brawl and almost as many copies as Mario Kart Wii.
And lets not forget, Mario Kart Wii only sold that many copies because it was on a platform that was enjoying much larger success than the Wii U is.
I can't believe X was not playable or shown more at E3.
That comment was more from what I'm seeing, I don't see people saying "I will definitely buy a Wii U for NSMBU!"
Chinpoko_Master
Member
If anything, he's being generous.
He is if he does not meet the goal he set.
Rush2thestart
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We have this topic like every week. Like every platform, it cant and wont take off without a good price or games. It has some gems right now, but not nearly enough to propel it into good hardware sales.
Its going to have one solid release at least per month. It just needs at least a $50 pricecut and we'll see what happens.
Its going to have one solid release at least per month. It just needs at least a $50 pricecut and we'll see what happens.
BishopLamont
Banned
RE didn't do shit for GC numbers, Nintendo's first party will do much more for the Wii U than it did for the Gamecube, after what it did for the Wii, sure it won't do Wii numbers, but its certainly gonna help them much more than it ever did during the GC days. There's no PS2 to dominate this generation, the Wii U will put up a much better fight.
Whats being not generous then? 10M? 15M? in 5 years? You can't possibly think this.
Exterminieren
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For goodness sakes, it's at least a year away and probably significantly more. The teasers are building hype and mystery while they concentrate on big potential sellers out this year, categories that X doesn't fit in to.
Jesus Murphy OP, does Nintendo need to send you a branded fleshlight to keep you pleasured?
If we lived in an ideal world, no console would be judged until it has seen shelf life for a year and a bit. For all we know Xbone could see success, and just as easily PS4 could be a flop. PS3 struggled with no games for well over a year, and now it is regarded as having one of the most well-rounded libraries out there (second only to the Nintendo DS).
Do you expect your children to be running marathons as soon as they're brought into this world? No. They crawl, they walk, they might even ball. Others, they need life support. We put damn effort into it, and when everything is fine and they make it through a rough patch, we breathe a sigh of relief, continue, and enjoy the damn games.
Panic Mode Nintendo has a major first party or helping a third party exclusive each month from August through December.
So for God's sake, I utter this with my mightiest and angriest voice,
"Please stay tuned."
If we lived in an ideal world, no console would be judged until it has seen shelf life for a year and a bit. For all we know Xbone could see success, and just as easily PS4 could be a flop. PS3 struggled with no games for well over a year, and now it is regarded as having one of the most well-rounded libraries out there (second only to the Nintendo DS).
Do you expect your children to be running marathons as soon as they're brought into this world? No. They crawl, they walk, they might even ball. Others, they need life support. We put damn effort into it, and when everything is fine and they make it through a rough patch, we breathe a sigh of relief, continue, and enjoy the damn games.
Panic Mode Nintendo has a major first party or helping a third party exclusive each month from August through December.
So for God's sake, I utter this with my mightiest and angriest voice,
"Please stay tuned."
Because a good chunck of Smash fans are the hardcore type who are willing to buy a Wii U specifically for Smash
Randolph Freelander
Member
You're missing the point. The GCN had releases consistently even if they are considerably smaller games and not big releases, the GCN was being supported. The Wii U on the other hand is getting so little releases, big or small.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
After seeing E3, I think it'll hit at least gamecube levels
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'm a Nintendo fan, they do my favorite games and I own almost everything they've ever done.
and yet I don't have a Wii U yet, and I have the money. I'm waiting for X/Smash/Pikmin 3/Bayo2/W101.
BishopLamont
Banned
Its way too early, who's gonna buy the system now when there's really no games out yet?
Third party has always been a nonfactor, or have you forgotten the Gamecube was barely supported? Its all about Nintendo's first party, and I think it alone will push it past 20M in five years easily.
I'm just sitting here wondering what the hell was Nintendo doing in the twilight years of the Wii in terms of developing games for the Wii U. We all know outside of some RPGS (Xenoblade), a Zelda, and a Kirby title; Wii support wasn't all that strong and balanced in 2011 and 2012. They surely weren't using ALL that manpower just for developing 3DS first party stuff at the time, right? No fucking way.
SD -> HD transition isn't easy, but it just seems like they were twiddling their thumbs in that 2 year period or so. I also feel as though the Wii U should have been on the market in November of 2010 or 2011, not 2012 but too late now, eh Iwata?
SD -> HD transition isn't easy, but it just seems like they were twiddling their thumbs in that 2 year period or so. I also feel as though the Wii U should have been on the market in November of 2010 or 2011, not 2012 but too late now, eh Iwata?
Although most of those who have a Wii U now are core fans, I feel that there are still a lot of Nintendo fans waiting it out until more games are out. Because of this, when Mario comes out there will undoubtedly be a bump from the Mario fans and then when Kart comes out and is advertised we'll see more mainstream audience go a get it.
This basically sows up the Nintendo fans and the mainstream for the most part. General gamers though I'm not quite so sure. They might go get the console for 1 or 2 games but with XBO and PS4 coming out, those two machines (especially PS4 due to price) are going to be very attractive. There's also a tonne of games coming to those machines that aren't coming to Wii U.
In the end I think we'll see a good bump for Nintendo, and if they price drop an even bigger bump as the mainstream pick it up too which will carry them into early 2014. It's what comes after that that's important. What sort of third party games will come? What other games does Nintendo have? Can they keep the system fresh with updates and great eShop content? I'm not confident to be honest. Unless they have some hidden stuff to carry them through 2014 I can see it slowing down again, bumping every now and then when the Nintendo first party games come.
This basically sows up the Nintendo fans and the mainstream for the most part. General gamers though I'm not quite so sure. They might go get the console for 1 or 2 games but with XBO and PS4 coming out, those two machines (especially PS4 due to price) are going to be very attractive. There's also a tonne of games coming to those machines that aren't coming to Wii U.
In the end I think we'll see a good bump for Nintendo, and if they price drop an even bigger bump as the mainstream pick it up too which will carry them into early 2014. It's what comes after that that's important. What sort of third party games will come? What other games does Nintendo have? Can they keep the system fresh with updates and great eShop content? I'm not confident to be honest. Unless they have some hidden stuff to carry them through 2014 I can see it slowing down again, bumping every now and then when the Nintendo first party games come.
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