i_am_ben
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That's fine. I don't want to make sweeping generalizations. I'll be more specific. Here's Korea:
To be fair people from Korea aren't POC in Korea.
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Can People of Color(POC) Be Racist?
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To be fair people from Korea aren't POC in Korea.
Sho_Nuff82
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It was a label used as part of the apartheid scheme, so yeah, I'd say it's pretty racist. Kind of like calling someone a "mulatto" over here.
DGRE said:
Is that supposed to make people feel better? "Sorry you got passed over for that job you were overqualified for, sorry you get stopped by the police every time you walk through your neighborhood, sorry you got beaten up for being a Sikh who looks like a Muslim, but at least you're not a religious minority in Darfur?"
I don't see what the title has anything to do with what you're talking about, of course non white people can be racist.
Seems like you're mad that some Asian woman identifies with problems other non whites face, doesn't mean she hates white people. Did she post anything derogatory/racist towards white people?
Also just because Asian Americans didn't go through slavery and segregation like Black people doesn't mean they won't find some common ground there. Having to deal with racism is still the same no matter what race you are.
Seems like you're mad that some Asian woman identifies with problems other non whites face, doesn't mean she hates white people. Did she post anything derogatory/racist towards white people?
Also just because Asian Americans didn't go through slavery and segregation like Black people doesn't mean they won't find some common ground there. Having to deal with racism is still the same no matter what race you are.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Anyone can be racist, but not everyone has their country and society to help them do so.
There was a thread started some time back for sharing stories of dealing with racism.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=625746&highlight=racism
It was generally understood from the context of the OP and the first story shared within that it was talking about dealing with institutionalized racism as a person of color, but eventually got derailed, as threads of this type often are, and even inspired someone to start what could be considered a counter-thread.
The claim made by some people that people of color can't be racism comes in some part from an overwhelming lack of empathy and relative ignorance on the part of those who don't deal with it daily as a fact of their existence.
There was a thread started some time back for sharing stories of dealing with racism.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=625746&highlight=racism
It was generally understood from the context of the OP and the first story shared within that it was talking about dealing with institutionalized racism as a person of color, but eventually got derailed, as threads of this type often are, and even inspired someone to start what could be considered a counter-thread.
The claim made by some people that people of color can't be racism comes in some part from an overwhelming lack of empathy and relative ignorance on the part of those who don't deal with it daily as a fact of their existence.
Except white people? Replace Asian Americans with White Americans in the first sentence of that paragraph. Are you still comfortable with that statement?
dragonelite
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Racism breeds racism....
Fnord
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The issue with this is:
Racism actually has a definition. And it's what she cites as the first definition here. The second "definition" of racism isn't actually a definition of racism at all. It merely describes a system that is based upon racism. Extending the definition of racism to include "a system of advantage based on race" would basically dictate that all white people are racist (talking the US here) and all black people aren't and can't be. It also deflects attention from actual racism and puts up roadblocks in the way of addressing the problem.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120610131512AA0ECZs
I understand where the term comes from, but it doesn't seem like it's something that people in SA consider universally racist.
SilentRacoon
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This.
Originated racism from minorities its not as noticeable because of that, they are minorities, their actions will not cause as much of a stir as the groups with greater presence in numbers.
Where did i say except white people? It clearly says 'no matter what race you are'
I'm just following your logic. So white people, just like Asians, can identify and find common ground in the suffering that blacks endured through slavery and segregation?
Deified Data
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Anyone can be racist. Answer is plain as day.
Yes it is...
Yes I do...
To Clarify for those who want to just insult me.
I knew people who were racist towards other races and those who dislike racist felt that if they act racist towards them as a "see how you like it" type of thing. I've noticed this to be pretty common where I am from.
RustyNails
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Dude come to India.
sixteen-bit
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Sure
I'll raise you.
And yes, anyone can be racist. What else would you call it?
Touché.
No because white people in America are not the minority, that's not to say white people don't experience racism but please carry on with the loaded questions.
quickwhips
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race sucks. Hopefully once everyone has sex with each other we will all be one color and this bullshit can finally be over once the parents die off at least.
Sho_Nuff82
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That answer is horrifying, and it shows the after effects of decades of institutionalized racism. Hint: we shouldn't be taking advice from a country that's historically more racist than the US.
DGRE said:
Having to deal with institutionalized racism is a shared common experience by minorities in America that is not experienced by the average white American. You'd have to go to another part of the world where white, American Christians are a minority to experience the same thing.
Wont fix a whole lot. The issue is our ingrained mentality to dislike things 'different' than us. We may all gain the same skin tone, but so long as we continue to have other physical differences, they will be picked up on and the people in the minority will often be persecuted, due to being different.
And if physical differences aren't a factor, then we'll find some other difference. Nationality, type of food we eat, the style of clothes we like to wear, the choice of imaginary god we choose to worship, etc etc.
Personally, this idea that we should all become homogenous is off-putting. I'd much rather tackle the issue by teaching tolerance. Racism seems to be such a big buzz word, but its only one particular branch of the big ugly tree of prejudice. We need to cut down the tree, not just trim the branches when they become unruly.
Fnord
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quickwhips
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I know man I've read the Dr Seuss. Damn beaten.
Always-honest
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Yes offuckingcourse.
Yeah they can be, I some of my relatives say racist stuff really casually. Most don't, but when couple of them do it, most just brush it off like its a non-issue. I'm Dominican, for the most part Dominicans are black, but they tend to be racist towards black people. It could have something to do with the bad history Dominicans have with Haitians.
PhoenixDark
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Pretty much.
I always find the "minorities can't be racist" argument to be...well, racist. It's based on the idea that a minority cannot be in a position of power to be racist, which is ludicrous. Are there no black, Asisn, Hispanic, etc business owners and executives?
It is also based on a very narrow description of racism. You don't need power to be racist. Nor do you have to hate other races to be racist.
dapperbandit
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Dear god stay away from Tumblr.
I can already see Tumblrisms in your post OP, quit before it's too late.
I can already see Tumblrisms in your post OP, quit before it's too late.
natsuyasumi
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Your last sentence illustrates why it is useful to reserve the term "'racism" for cases where institutionalized power is brought to bear, and to use "prejudice" where it is not.
With that distinction in mind, can PoC in the U.S. be racist against whites? Typically no; they do not hold the institutional power in our society to cause significant, large-scale harm to white people. But can they hold prejudices against another group? Certainly.
It's funny, because this is a racist thing to say.
As a person of colour myself, yes... yes we can be racist. Thats a shared human trait.
Also, you don't have to be part of the minority group to advocate for it. Or feel empathy for any struggle. Any time you decide to advocate positive change ina group, you're already a small part of that group, with or without a shared heredity, gender, orientation...ect...
At least thats how I always felt, I may not be in the lbgtq, female community but I still want to gain understanding and play a part in anything meaningfully positive towards these groups even if the most I can offer are a few positive words.
Also, as for this womans blog, maybe she is being disengenious when she lumps ethnic/racial groups together abd insinuate their struggles or issues they face are the same. However, no one has a monopoly on struggles or more legitimacy on issues faced as a minority. Its not a pissing contest.
I can't judge this woman until I've read her blog though.
Anyways OP, if her context on the issues is strictly related to the western world than I think shes perfectly alright to pose the problem as POC vs Non-POC. Bringing up cases of racism in the non western world is just as disengenious and derailing/detracting from the original discussion.
You seem cool OP, wouldn't worry too much.
Also, you don't have to be part of the minority group to advocate for it. Or feel empathy for any struggle. Any time you decide to advocate positive change ina group, you're already a small part of that group, with or without a shared heredity, gender, orientation...ect...
At least thats how I always felt, I may not be in the lbgtq, female community but I still want to gain understanding and play a part in anything meaningfully positive towards these groups even if the most I can offer are a few positive words.
Also, as for this womans blog, maybe she is being disengenious when she lumps ethnic/racial groups together abd insinuate their struggles or issues they face are the same. However, no one has a monopoly on struggles or more legitimacy on issues faced as a minority. Its not a pissing contest.
I can't judge this woman until I've read her blog though.
Anyways OP, if her context on the issues is strictly related to the western world than I think shes perfectly alright to pose the problem as POC vs Non-POC. Bringing up cases of racism in the non western world is just as disengenious and derailing/detracting from the original discussion.
You seem cool OP, wouldn't worry too much.
I've never heard that definition for racist before. It's people hating other people because of their skin colour, nothing else.
I got called a "Harry Potter looking mother fucker," by a black high school kid today. I was just passing thru the hallway minding my business, exiting the school, and he said that to his group of friends as I passed. So cause I'm white and have glasses I look like Harry Potter? I'm shaggy, scruffy, and a lean 5'7" whereas I always pictured Potter(Radcliffe)as clean cut, plus he is taller.
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Zoe
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Daniel Radcliffe is only 5'5" dude.
RealisticPillow
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Of course not, they're holy.
Mysterious
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Don't know if this is her or you saying this but:
White is not a race. Generally, "white" people are considered Caucasoids. However, Somalians, Arabs, Jews and Indians all fall under the same race as well. Race is determined by features other than skin color (which can change over generations due to climate where people emigrate to).
phosphor112
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She's wrong. There are two types of people in the world. Ignorant, and Not as Ignorant.
She clearly falls into the former of the two.
Doesn't sound like a racist comment to me. But hey, at least he's allergic to intelligence apparently.
As a Somalian I can assure you I'm not in the least bit similar to an Arab, Israel or any lighter Indian person. My melanin is pretty damn high and am negroid as a motherfucker.
Just sayin'
I don't see the problem. I know white people who do this sort of thing. Sticking up for the downtrodden, that is. Her being able to sympathize with other groups isn't inherently racist.
It was ballsy of him, I had my county employee badge on(I do tech stuff for broadcasting in the school system + I do production). I didn't really think it was racist, I was more hurt.
Dat vanity.
No. Everyone knows that the darker your skin color the less of a racist you are. For example since I'm black I get to say anything deemed racist I want without fear of ever being called one. Let me help break it down for you:
Asians get to be racists to Whites and other Asians but not to Blacks or Hispanics, Hispanics can be racist towards Whites, Asians, and other Hispanics but not Blacks, and as I said before Blacks get to be racist to whoever we want.
White people on the other hand cannot be racist towards anyone except other White people like people Eastern Europe. That's because you guys conquered and enslaved everyone else and are still on top. You can't get everything you know, so stop asking if you can say the "N-word," you can't.
Asians get to be racists to Whites and other Asians but not to Blacks or Hispanics, Hispanics can be racist towards Whites, Asians, and other Hispanics but not Blacks, and as I said before Blacks get to be racist to whoever we want.
White people on the other hand cannot be racist towards anyone except other White people like people Eastern Europe. That's because you guys conquered and enslaved everyone else and are still on top. You can't get everything you know, so stop asking if you can say the "N-word," you can't.
Winterfang
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Are you real? I'm a dark skin Hispanic, that doesn't allow me to be racist against Asians. If anything that made it a little awkward with my filipino ex girlfriend. Since she was a little bit racist, often thinking I was a thug or dangerous just because of how I looked.
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