Then why are those always the best selling titles? The best selling ones are, I believe, Uncharted, AC, and CoD. I think you're wrong there.
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Then why are those always the best selling titles? The best selling ones are, I believe, Uncharted, AC, and CoD. I think you're wrong there.
H_Prestige
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The Sony Xperia Z is a better PSP than the Vita.
diffusionx
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I do, especially GT. Holy shit a proper GT would be awesome. WipeOut 2048 was amazing.
I loved playing through Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Uncharted on my Vita. I really enjoy the legit SFXT and UMVC3 we got. MGS2 and MGS3, come on. You can't beat that (especially not with Snake Eater 3DS).
But I'm just one guy. Most people have moved on to smartphones and tablets. Pokemon and Animal Crossing... Sony isn't going to come up with that stuff. It's not in their DNA, and Nintendo has that market locked down anyway.
Sony was intentionally trying to court hardcore gamers who want a console-like experience in a portable with the Vita. In my opinion, they succeeded. That market just isn't large enough.
Colonel Nasty
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More people play and enjoy RR3 than nfs vita, I know I did. If you want a console experience, you could, you know play a console...
You mean quick death. Replace the Vita control options with a touchscreen, and you lose every reason for the platform to exist. It's struggling, yes. But the reason why it sells at all is precisely because it's not a phone.
SE makes phones. They're pretty nice, and gaining. The Xperia Play bombed hard though, and there's no sense in trying that again.
Glass Rebel
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To be fair, it was a pretty shitty game.
A Human Becoming
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Considering how long it took for the PS3 to get out of the red, a system that sold considerably better, I find this very hard to believe. To be fair I'm sure the R&D costs for the Vita were less, but I'm also confident Sony lost more money on each Vita sale than PS3 sale.
Those Sony employees must be short-sighted then. You ALWAYS want to expand your hardware market so accessories and digital sale revenues remain strong, especially when that's the main source of revenue. It's fair to assume they're selling Vita's for a loss, unlike the Wii. Unless the Vita audience are all famousmortimer's their purchasing habits are going to teeter off as time goes by.famousmortimer said:
The former I can believe as even the 3DS and Wii U have shown online connectivity is very high now among consumers. Does the Vita make money? Sure, but is it a money maker like the PS2 or even the PS3 is now? It's a small fraction solely due to it's smaller userbase. Maybe not dead, but dying or at least very bad shape? Absolutely.famousmortimer said:
That's my problem with famousmortimer. Anytime I see him come to the Vita's defense he always paints it in a much brighter picture than it really is. Even as a Wii U owner I don't try to pretend the system is in good shape.
Or I could play it on a Vita. I know more people play, I acknowledged that in my post, I was saying that doesn't make it better. People in general aren't exactly striving for the best in gaming, with iOS it's about convenience. Why doesn't that apply to people who want console like games and not short-bitesize gaming sessions that still drain the battery of their communication device.
So I wouldn't need this:
Father_Brain
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Right, forgot that. But even if that weren't the case, it'd be lucky to break 400K worldwide, IMO. Doubt Tearaway will fare more than marginally better, if not worse.
Heard for years how the market was going to eat up a Call of Duty Vita game. Didn't happen.
They weren't wrong. The market is eating up Call of Duty Vita.
If not, how do you explain how the worst game on the system, priced at 50$, can be the Top 1 or 2 best selling game.
This and make those memory cards cheaper. Then I think it will sell decently.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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What? This is like...a totally illogical argument that misses the point entirely. He wasn't saying that COD wasn't selling well compared to other Vita games, but that it was selling poorly in the entire market of games. I'm sure COD is a popular game among the small population of Vita owners, but it's not being eaten up by the mass market.
Colonel Nasty
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Or I could play it on a Vita. I know more people play, I acknowledged that in my post, I was saying that doesn't make it better. People in general aren't exactly striving for the best in gaming, with iOS it's about convenience. Why doesn't that apply to people who want console like games and not short-bitesize gaming sessions that still drain the battery of their communication device.
So I wouldn't need this:
Why would you need that? What are you doing that you spend hours apart from you ps3?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Much like facing the cold harsh unmitigated reality of the PS3 failure?
So I can play my console like I would a Vita.
And to answer your second question I don't play my PS3 anymore, it's too restrictive and the games aren't so impressive that they are much better than on Vita. I'm finding this to be a common feeling amongst prospective vita buyers and vita owners alike.
Disgaea 3 and PSP games.
Father_Brain
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Mort retreated to another thread to complain about this being a "Vita hate thread." Guess that's because too many people were refusing to accept his anecdotal insider info as gospel.
Mort, if you're reading this: I don't think anyone's calling you a liar. But given the information that actually is available to us about how Vita is selling and the announced software lineup, I don't think it's "Vita hate" to be skeptical about whether your sources are getting the full picture, or to be considerably less optimistic about its prospects than you are.
Cause theres nothing else. No stuff like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and so on.
It's basically just a smaller PS3 with a built in screen and no one needs or wants that.
Exactly. But they don't seem to realize that, even after the PSP.
TheNatural
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Because the system is selling like shit and it was in a bundle? Saying top selling for Vita is like me putting up a lemonade stand and saying pink lemonade is my best seller, everyone loves it. Then trying to compare it to The Coca Cola Company.
A far cry from "COD Vita is gonna be a killer and people are going to buy Vita in droves, everyone who owns the 360/PS3 version can't wait to play it on the go!"
Apparently they could.
Some of you need to differentiate this simple concept of *Me* versus *Others*. You know, what I like can be very minuscule to the rest of the entire world. Most children learn this concept around 5 or so, but apparently Vita owners haven't seem to hit that stage yet.
Colonel Nasty
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So what? You have a long commute? You prefer a small screen over a large one?
It may be hard for you to understand, but not everybody enjoys being confined to one spot while they're playing their games. It doesn't matter whether that's "console experiences" or "mobile experiences". I have PS3 and Vita, and I would say 80% of my gaming time is on Vita. Yet, I hardly ever take it out of the house. I enjoy being able to sit in my family room and playing it. Laying down on my bed before sleeping. It's more convenient.
Why do you play RR3? Do you feel it's a better than console games like Forza and Gran Turismo?
I think children also learn that they shouldn't generalize, which it seems is a stage you haven't quite hit yet. Don't many non-Vita owners on this forum and elsewhere talk about Vita from a personal perspective as well? "P4G is the only game I want on the thing" "There are no games," etc. You know, people can talk positively, or even negatively, about a system without bringing up "killer apps" or "system sellers" and whatnot. Not everything has to be defined by how well it sells, and yet that seems to be all many people want to talk about with this system.
I have a regular commute and I prefer not carrying my hdtv on a bus/tube or rinsing my Note II battery playing mini-games (most of the time, phones can still be fun of course, they just don't really compare well for a regular gamer).
^ I still play it mostly at home as well like VanWinkle does. I can play my vita in my bed. When it's that close, the screen looks bigger or as big as the 42" HDTV on the other side of the room.
Sure some games are nicer on a big screen, most games aren't worth the effort (like 90%). Standby baby, is and will be so good, so glad they included that in PS4. Instant gaming action.
It was regularly beating out the other games at the time, including assassins creed from what we saw in the sales threads, especially the european ones. AC sold 600K on Vita. It's safe to assume CoD did a lot better. It was between AC, CoD and NFS. Btw cod was a joke on vita and it still did that well.
It's not exactly surprisingly, it's exactly what the system was designed for, yet barely any games out in the genre yet.
MightyHedgehog
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No, doesn't seem likely. Major NA retailer chains are, AFAIU, anticipating a phasing out of meaningful support this year...not that what currently passes for support is much to begin with, but that's all on Sony.
It's not illogical. People were saying that a great COD would sell systems. Vita didn't get a great or even a decent COD game.
And now we have the shittiest Vita game ever released, priced higher than any other game on the system except 1 or 2 others, selling >400k in the US and probably >700/800k worldwide only because it's called COD.
That does prove how insanely big the COD brand is and what a good COD game could do for any system.
Colonel Nasty
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I can see not having tv access, but doesn't the wii u do this much better? You don't even have to buy multiple copies.
Father_Brain
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Sources or speculation?
KillerTravis
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They already tried that with a Smash Bros clone, I don't think they will be trying it again.
I love seeing the people that bust out this argument against handhelds praise the WiiU's off-screen capabilities.
Not saying Col. Nasty does it specifically. I wouldn't know. Just in general.
I often play handhelds at home. There's something appealing about a complete system with its own little screen that I personally love.
partyphone
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Yeah. Most of the time I spend with handheld consoles is in my bed or sitting on my couch while netflix is on my TV. But more often than not I have my phone or tablet. And comparing smartphone and tablet sales to handheld console sales I doubt that I'm alone.
So I don't know what the Vita needs to do in order to succeed but offering convenience obviously isn't one of them.
MightyHedgehog
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Speculation from people inside regional retail. Also, common sense since shelf space for games is limited as is, and with all chains going big on two next-gen consoles inside of six months while supporting PS3/Wii/WiiU/X360/3DS (all of which sell at store level while Vita doesn't even register a blip).
Nope, not for me. I can't even get to another room in my house besides where the console resides without the gamepad losing connectivity.
TheNatural
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It was in a holiday bundle, you realize the concept of a bundle covers individual sales as well? Point being, when the few people who purchased a Vita last holiday got one, they got the Call of Duty bundle. And it had nothing to do with what the system was designed for, but the Call of Duty name.
And regardless of all this, the COD Vita argument ever since Vita and even 3DS launched was always, "well just wait for Call of Duty Vita, everyone will be buying it in droves and will put Vita up there with 3DS." It wasn't that Call of Duty would sell well for Vita. It was that the game would push Vita to at least be a player in the handheld race. This was repeated and believed by some again and again. It didn't Sony revised their projections down three or more times during the timeframe and 3DS crushed it. It was a complete and total non factor.
If the Call of Duty brand with a bundle isn't going to do anything, your system is dead.
well they have to keep trying, imho they almost stroke gold with Loco Roco(that game had a lot of buzz), Patapon was a very nice try to. The problem (that most of us pointed out when it was announced) with Allstars is that the most iconic Sony character is Crash, and that was over 15 years ago. But even so, they have to keep trying if they want to succeed.
Barrel Cannon
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This is probably the most important thing. A lot of Sony's first party efforts feel like they are console games that were ported down rather than being games designed for a portable short burst experience. There's a reason patapon did so amazingly well on the PSP.
jimmypython
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I don't know about that. But playing every PS4 game on Vita via remote play is definitely a sweet sweet promise from SCE.
diffusionx
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According to Wiki, the best-selling first-party PSP games were:
Gran Turismo
God of War
Daxter
Hot Shots Golf
WipeOut Pure
Hmm, I wonder why Sony would focus on console-like games on Vita...
Why are you ignoring the fact that the Call of Duty game is the worst game on the system with a score of 33 on metacritic.
And all of that maybe was said by some fanboys before the system was launched. Then the game didn't appear for months and after it was shown it became pretty clear that it was not going to be good.
It would've had a better chance of succeeding if it was actually a good game. It sold decently by name alone, but obviously it would have sold much better if it had been of similar quality to the console titles.
TheNatural
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Because everyone who bought it obviously did.
Wickerbasket
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Obviously not enough to push system sales.
A good CoD game with good word of mouth and a decent marketing push would have pushed system sales.
I still don't think it would have "saved" the system
awesomebro
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True. this argument against handhelds doesn't really make sense. If you look at it say x = screen size and y = distance from screen. t = tv and v = vita. If you find the distance from your eyes to your tv and the distance between the vita and and your eyes you would see that xt/yt = xv/yv. So the perception of the image by your eyes is the same. The vita also has an advantage because its not stationary like a tv.
awesomebro
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I doubt they'd keep that promise. The made the same promise with the PSP and we all know how remote play for it turned out.
TheNatural
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Even a good one wouldn't. This Killzone is supposed to be a 'killer app' right? Wanna bet without some sort of price drop or something, it's not even going to be a blip on the radar?
All the three games mentioned had bundles. CoD, despite being just a name, beat all of them. Who is to say how bad the Vita would have done without it.
The system doesn't stay the same - prices drop. The market becomes more familiar with the Vita, more bored of their phones, and have more time to save up...with time. CoD can also not suck. No one had high hopes when they revealed what it was actually going to be but in principle, it still applies for mostly obvious reasons.
I don't even know what your point is? Vita is dead because CoD last year didn't save it?
This is year 2 out of 10 people.
LowEndTorque
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It's just not an attractive proposal at its current price. (And this is my own personal feeling as a hardcore/enthusiast gamer... Let alone what the average mass market consumer thinks) $149 - $169 would make it a far more attractive proposition for the average mass market consumer.
Wickerbasket
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Why would I bet anything like that? I'm just pointing out that you're crazy if you think a good CoD game wouldn't have pushed more systems than a terrible CoD game.
It's just common sense.