The same is true for electronic payment methods or every online service ever. I reckon that proper crypto-security is not the challenge here.
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Can we not prevent mass shootings via tech?
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The same is true for electronic payment methods or every online service ever. I reckon that proper crypto-security is not the challenge here.
FunkyPajamas
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There's also the chance of some guy stealing a collection of old-ass muskets and going on a rampage.
Not really. At least not easily. The camera is constantly taking photos. It is essentially like watching a video. If you, say, plant a bomb and then run away. You will likely not catch the act before it happens but the moment it does go off you can instantly go to the scene of the explosion, rewind back, find the person laying it, then put a marker on the person or just do it manually and forward through time to the present and track them.
Yeah you could try and go into a parking garage and change cars but that just means they track every car leaving. Sending patrol cars to each vehicle.
I mean imagine being able to find the paris shooters, rewind time back and see ALL the people they interacted with, associated with and being able to track the entirety of their network to unravel the web and then reverse and find out where all the pertinent suspects currently are. It's crazy the possibilities.
I mean when you think of all the recent terrorist acts this tech probably could of resolved it much sooner and the sort of lose ends people are seeking could likely be largely discovered, tracked and resolved. With that said Im not sure I would ever allow it if it were up to me.
The podcast is worth a listen. It is pretty crazy what the tech can do and what it likely will be able to do in the future.
Sibersk Esto
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Clearly we need ID tagged weapons, with ID tagged gear, that can be shut off at a whim.
Clearly we need ID tagged weapons, with ID tagged gear, that can be shut off at a whim.
This is actually a good idea, though.
MechaBowser
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I'd prefer something along the lines of what happened in MGS4.
You're really okay with giving the government that much power?
Sibersk Esto
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I would actually be for it, as difficult as it would be to maintain.
I just had to put in the gif though.
Winterblink
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I used a parking garage as an example, but it could just as easily be a massive mall with thousands coming and going. From a aerial view you may not have enough visual information to pattern match on the top of someone's head, and you sure can't send a cop car to everyone's homes. Side shooting pictures like Google Maps' drone views would help a lot with that, but it's not feasible at this point to be doing that in real time.
Anyway, I get where you're going with this, and this can only evolve to be more effective over time. It's just fraught with ethical issues.
DXLelouch153
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ISIS wouldnt fuck with us if we had a Gundam
bullets and suicide bombs would have no effect
bullets and suicide bombs would have no effect
Proelite
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How is datamining and algorithms sci-fi? :/
Ray Wonder
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Hahaha this gave me a fairly good chuckle.
It has nothing to do with government power. The idea of smart guns as they currently exist is that they're only able to be used by their owner and are authenticated via RFID chips or some other tech. As people above have mentioned, these types of guns already exist and can be purchased but the NRA fucking hates them. Getting a law to force protection on future guns would be hard, but not as hard as the batshit draconian surveillance proposed by the OP.
NoblesseOblige
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It'd elevate to colony drops.
Proelite
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My gf watches and I catch some parts now and then.
DXLelouch153
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but then wed be rid of Austraila(after an evac of course)
its the only way to rid the world of the Boss spiders
I mean there are certainly movie like scenarios we can conjure up where they manage to evade the monitoring. But even in the mall scenario you could then send cops over - or just make a call - to corroborate their security cameras with the overhead tracker and then find out where he changed clothes and into what and then pick it back up when he leaves the mall.
But when you think about all the major recent terrorist acts, this tech would probably of resolved most of them pretty damn quick. Along with all manner of other crimes.
The question of course becomes is the ethical costs worth it? After looking into I am not sure
So Obama can march up in my city and shut off my gun, no thanks
Yeah, that's really expensive and prohibitive. From a Socialist's perspective, that sounds like essentially restricting gun sales to most workers. From a Libertarian's perspective, that sounds like trampling on the 2nd Amendment by prohibiting private sales.
MrChocolate
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Technically, if you use facebook (or many others apps) and you have a microphone activated, they wouldn't need to install a microphone on you.
Angelus Errare
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FUCK YOU YER NOT TAKING MAH GUNZ!!!
Chezzymann
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This comes down to the age old debate of privacy versus security and the tradeoffs of each.
What are you talking about? How is something like this drastically different from having security settings for your smartphone?
cuz then you don't have to worry about poor people owning them.
How do I sell this privately without added cost?
What's the cost of the watch? How do you pair a new watch with a gun without having to report to the ATF on a transfer of ownership? How much would it cost to add this tech to a gun that's currently in production?
There's no restrictions at all on private sales. The gun is linked to the watch. IF you want the sell the gun, there's no reason to keep the watch. Whoever has the watch is the one that can use the gun.
I don't know how much the tech in question costs, but do you really want to be arguing against safety features on a potentially lethal device based on economics? Do you have a problem with the costs car manufactuers have to pay when they add seatbelts and airbags to their cars?
Mammoth Jones
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Sadly people can be convinced to do this nowadays....
Proelite
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More like crime-prevention.
ClosingADoor
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So instead of taking gun rights away, you want to take all privacy away. Sure, sounds like a plan!
How has the gun debate come to this, America? Get it together man!
How has the gun debate come to this, America? Get it together man!
Proelite
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Working at a big data company that profiles people based on trip info generated via gps info from cellphone firmware and gps units embedded in cars, privacy is dead.
LyleLanley
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This is the kind of thinking that ends up with the NSA listening to all of our phone calls. All in the name of crime-prevention.
Mammoth Jones
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Because you're not going to take gun rights away and turn half the nation into criminals.
JinjoUnchained
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Free Kinect for everyone!
You know what probably would of triggered them to be put on a watch list? Having meaningful gun control that tracked sales and purchases.
Then when the male shooter contacted a person on the watch list the call wouldn't have been put in the pile of disparate info and forgotten. Instead the unknown caller that was making phone calls to a watch list suspect wouldn't have had the FBI or whoever ignore it because no flags are triggered in researching the stranger but instead they would learn that the stranger calling had recently purchased a large supply of ammunition and weaponry. Which would likely trigger further investigation. Possibly adding them to the watch list and possible accomplice.
Im not sure data mining is going to be an answer except in terms of creating the same issues the NSA currently has. Nor am I sure it is ethically responsible.
Hari Seldon
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The government should just force everyone to have a government agent live with them. That would solve unemployment as well!
If a large number people are going to turn into willing criminals because small "d" democratic legislation passes that puts some new restrictions and requirements for owning a gun, then you are proving exactly why the current gun laws are unacceptable.
Australia didn't ban all guns.
No, thats Pre-Crime Is what the people here want
Exactly. Then who would stop him from staying in office indefinitely? Nobody that's who.
He'd declare Marshall law like he's been planning all along. Then the Muslim Brotherhood would come across the border and take over and they'd get free healthcare and live off the backs of taxpayers everywhere.
Mammoth Jones
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Well it would be if we put all humans in little boxes with food, water, air and cameras everywhere. Then nothing bad could ever happen....
All sarcasm aside I think a part of the solution is a complete overhaul of firearms laws over the long term. No law will change ANYTHING anytime soon. But at least down the line we won't have nearly as much as this. Problem is there isn't any agreement on the extent on the overhaul. "Ban all guns because Australia" is just as ridiculous to me as "give everyone more guns to defend against mass shootings"
No one has any obligation to adhere to an immoral law. And how are you going to confiscate guns by force? Harsh language? You're for guns, as long as it's the government that has them exclusively. No thanks. I'll give mine up with a smile when you take em from the racist cops, military, criminals first.
Good for Australia. They have every right to decide their national policy. That shit ain't happening here in our lifetime. But I understand that's the ideal endgame for someone w/ your viewpoint. Nothing wrong with that.
Straw men are fun, they are always so easy to knock down. I try not to personally resort to that. It kinda ruins dialogue.... You do seem to enjoy arguing with logical fallacies for someone that is so convinced of their philosophical correctness.
Mammoth Jones
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How would confiscation of once legal and now banned firearms work in a nation with more firearms than people? The majority of which aren't registered? With the most common long gun being the one that's banned? You really think a mandatory buy out is even realistic with our constitution?
Like I said the laws will change but it'll take time.
DiipuSurotu
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